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Posted: **Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:08 pm**

Ardiveds wrote:"If the majority of citizens knows where they can get a procedure done and once they reach that place, they can easily access said procedure, it is openly accessible even if it takes them months to reach that place because. That is how we interpret 'openly accessible'.

We're honestly not that sure about your second point because we honestly have no idea about its exact meaning and implication."

OOC: I'm kind of curious how the Access to Abortion resolution applies to non-human sapients, then. IRL, from species to species, periods of gestation can vary greatly. In the event that someone's hamster goes to found a massive empire and civilization here in Nationstates, they'd be unable to make a several months trip for a 16-23 day pregnancy. Is that really openly accessible for them?

Gosh that sounds so weird to say.

Edit: After thinking about it, they'd probably have a greater gestation period if they could get so far to form a coherent nation, but theoretically - it could still have some relevance.

Posted: **Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:13 pm**

Riverpost wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:"If the majority of citizens knows where they can get a procedure done and once they reach that place, they can easily access said procedure, it is openly accessible even if it takes them months to reach that place because. That is how we interpret 'openly accessible'.

We're honestly not that sure about your second point because we honestly have no idea about its exact meaning and implication."

OOC: I'm kind of curious how the Access to Abortion resolution applies to non-human sapients, then. IRL, from species to species, periods of gestation can vary greatly. In the event that someone's hamster goes to found a massive empire and civilization here in Nationstates, they'd be unable to make a several months trip for a 16-23 day pregnancy. Is that really openly accessible for them?

Gosh that sounds so weird to say.

OOC: I guess the definition of 'speedily accessible' would depend on the species. The hamseter empire would need lots of abortion clinics. Though I guess manpower wouldn't be an issue since hamsters breed like... you know, hamsters...

Posted: **Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:07 pm**

OOC: Full support.

Posted: **Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:25 am**

Ardiveds wrote:
Legolannd wrote:Ambassador Harrison stands

"My nation is pro-life and will always be. We will vote to repeal this bill. Our government will not fund abortions, they are banned in Legolannd."

"Ambassador, you have no reason to support this repeal then because you are already in violation of WA laws and if this repeal passes, you'll still be in violation of WA laws."

"Abortion has been illegal in Legolannd for 50 years. We will not break our laws to allow the murder of children."

Posted: **Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:47 am**

Legolannd wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:"Ambassador, you have no reason to support this repeal then because you are already in violation of WA laws and if this repeal passes, you'll still be in violation of WA laws."

"Abortion has been illegal in Legolannd for 50 years. We will not break our laws to allow the murder of children."

"So what's your plan to make that statement true to your voters in the next election?"

Posted: **Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:01 am**

Legolannd wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:"Ambassador, you have no reason to support this repeal then because you are already in violation of WA laws and if this repeal passes, you'll still be in violation of WA laws."

"Abortion has been illegal in Legolannd for 50 years. We will not break our laws to allow the murder of children."

"So you are representing a country whose leaders are criminals and dishonest types, who apparently do not know the difference between 'foetus' and 'child', yet you think we should listen to what you think of laws you will not even uphold yourself?"

Posted: **Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:39 am**

“This repeal is looking better. However, on principle, I won’t support a repeal of GA #499. Minor flaws do not warrant the removal of effective legislation.”

Legolannd wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:"Ambassador, you have no reason to support this repeal then because you are already in violation of WA laws and if this repeal passes, you'll still be in violation of WA laws."

"Abortion has been illegal in Legolannd for 50 years. We will not break our laws to allow the murder of children."

(OOC: Consult the Administrative Compliance Act, and consider how it affects your nation. In the meantime, there is no incentive for anyone to change GA legislation to fit noncompliant states.)

Posted: **Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:31 pm**

WF offers its support for this.

Posted: **Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:33 am**

"We opposed 'Access to Abortion' when it came to a vote," recalled Quintus, "but we do not wish to see this come to a vote. In our opinion, the abortion issue is a dead issue, and we do not see the need to revisit this issue so frequently."

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:28 pm**

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Legolannd wrote:"Abortion has been illegal in Legolannd for 50 years. We will not break our laws to allow the murder of children."

"So you are representing a country whose leaders are criminals and dishonest types, who apparently do not know the difference between 'foetus' and 'child', yet you think we should listen to what you think of laws you will not even uphold yourself?"

"How dare call our leaders criminals? Abortion is illegal here, plain and simple. A fetus is a child, it is an unborn life, and we will not legalize the murder of it."

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:18 pm**

Legolannd wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:"So you are representing a country whose leaders are criminals and dishonest types, who apparently do not know the difference between 'foetus' and 'child', yet you think we should listen to what you think of laws you will not even uphold yourself?"

"How dare call our leaders criminals? Abortion is illegal here, plain and simple. A fetus is a child, it is an unborn life, and we will not legalize the murder of it."

"Then your leaders are complicit in the violation of at least four WA Resolutions, constituting a crime under a fifth."

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:00 pm**

Legolannd wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:"So you are representing a country whose leaders are criminals and dishonest types, who apparently do not know the difference between 'foetus' and 'child', yet you think we should listen to what you think of laws you will not even uphold yourself?"

"How dare call our leaders criminals? Abortion is illegal here, plain and simple. A fetus is a child, it is an unborn life, and we will not legalize the murder of it."

"As they are breaking the laws of your country, that you willingly signed up to when you joined the World Assembly, your leaders are by definition criminals. And you clearly don't know the proper meaning of the words involved, since a foetus is not a child, 'life' is meaningless and murder requires the illegal slaying of a person. This is sixth grade civics, I am surprised your legal staff have not told you. Again, given the abject criminality of your leaders, the dishonesty of your delegation and your lack of understanding of the topic, why should we let you influence laws you are deliberately breaking yourself?"

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:52 pm**

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Legolannd wrote:"How dare call our leaders criminals? Abortion is illegal here, plain and simple. A fetus is a child, it is an unborn life, and we will not legalize the murder of it."

"As they are breaking the laws of your country, that you willingly signed up to when you joined the World Assembly, your leaders are by definition criminals. And you clearly don't know the proper meaning of the words involved, since a foetus is not a child, 'life' is meaningless and murder requires the illegal slaying of a person. This is sixth grade civics, I am surprised your legal staff have not told you. Again, given the abject criminality of your leaders, the dishonesty of your delegation and your lack of understanding of the topic, why should we let you influence laws you are deliberately breaking yourself?"

Would YOU comply with a theoretical resolution that bans nearly all abortions?

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:56 pm**

Old Hope wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:"As they are breaking the laws of your country, that you willingly signed up to when you joined the World Assembly, your leaders are by definition criminals. And you clearly don't know the proper meaning of the words involved, since a foetus is not a child, 'life' is meaningless and murder requires the illegal slaying of a person. This is sixth grade civics, I am surprised your legal staff have not told you. Again, given the abject criminality of your leaders, the dishonesty of your delegation and your lack of understanding of the topic, why should we let you influence laws you are deliberately breaking yourself?"

Would YOU comply with a theoretical resolution that bans nearly all abortions?

“Oh, don’t be silly! That would be illegal due to contradiction of existing legislation!”

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:58 pm**

Old Hope wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:"As they are breaking the laws of your country, that you willingly signed up to when you joined the World Assembly, your leaders are by definition criminals. And you clearly don't know the proper meaning of the words involved, since a foetus is not a child, 'life' is meaningless and murder requires the illegal slaying of a person. This is sixth grade civics, I am surprised your legal staff have not told you. Again, given the abject criminality of your leaders, the dishonesty of your delegation and your lack of understanding of the topic, why should we let you influence laws you are deliberately breaking yourself?"

Would YOU comply with a theoretical resolution that bans nearly all abortions?

"Were my nation unable to comply, we would resign. If governments are disinterested in compliance despite the benefits of membership, they can resign. This is a false dichotomy."

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:18 am**

Old Hope wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:"As they are breaking the laws of your country, that you willingly signed up to when you joined the World Assembly, your leaders are by definition criminals. And you clearly don't know the proper meaning of the words involved, since a foetus is not a child, 'life' is meaningless and murder requires the illegal slaying of a person. This is sixth grade civics, I am surprised your legal staff have not told you. Again, given the abject criminality of your leaders, the dishonesty of your delegation and your lack of understanding of the topic, why should we let you influence laws you are deliberately breaking yourself?"

Would YOU comply with a theoretical resolution that bans nearly all abortions?

"If it was airtight, the Solidarity Movement would reevaluate our World Assembly membership and international obligations. That could include resigning to avoid enslaving women or working to repeal such a resolution. It would not include our delegation continuously shouting that we are criminals by breaking clearly established laws."

Posted: **Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:24 am**

All for it.

Posted: **Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:28 am**

Worried that any abortion client who can't access an abortion clinic in a 'speedily accessible' manor can request and expect to be flown to any country of

See the word in bold
House?
Manner I think.

Posted: **Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:09 pm**

Thepeopl wrote:
Worried that any abortion client who can't access an abortion clinic in a 'speedily accessible' manor can request and expect to be flown to any country of

See the word in bold
House?
Manner I think.

The plan was to make the clinics quite ritzy, but sacrifices had to be made.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:45 am**

Jutsa wrote:Confused by Article 4a's requirement that members fully fund all treatment and transportation expenses to those who wish to access a clinic outside of the nation, in light of GA#456 Freedom to Seek Medical Care II's requirement that those who seek medical treatment abroad must arrange for and fund such treatment themselves,

The repeal of #456 may render this argument moot.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:52 am**

“You are all concerned about your economies! What nonsense! We have a terrible economy, no investment, and massive deficit, but if we want something built, all we need is a purge to get some forced labour inmates!”

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:59 am**

Legolannd wrote:Ambassador Harrison stands

"My nation is pro-life and will always be. We will vote to repeal this bill. Our government will not fund abortions, they are banned in Legolannd."

From the Desk of Daphanie Heenan, Head of Foreign Relations:

Abortion is against the will of the gods and defying them is blasphemous. We must protect the unborn from these baby killers.

May the Empress Bless You All.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:06 am**

Hanshire wrote:
Legolannd wrote:Ambassador Harrison stands

"My nation is pro-life and will always be. We will vote to repeal this bill. Our government will not fund abortions, they are banned in Legolannd."

From the Desk of Daphanie Heenan, Head of Foreign Relations:

Abortion is against the will of the gods and defying them is blasphemous. We must protect the unborn from these baby killers.

May the Empress Bless You All.

"Boy are you folks sure late to the party."

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:13 am**

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Hanshire wrote:
From the Desk of Daphanie Heenan, Head of Foreign Relations:

Abortion is against the will of the gods and defying them is blasphemous. We must protect the unborn from these baby killers.

May the Empress Bless You All.

"Boy are you folks sure late to the party."

"Ambassador, you'll be surprised how many people believe this was the resolution that legalized abortion. It's like they were living under some rock when RF passed."

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:25 am**

Ardiveds wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Boy are you folks sure late to the party."

"Ambassador, you'll be surprised how many people believe this was the resolution that legalized abortion. It's like they were living under some rock when RF passed."

"I think, based on my long tenure, you would find me significantly less surprised than you may think."

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[ABANDONED] Repeal "Access to Abortion"