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by Cretox State » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:40 pm
by Honeydewistania » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:56 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Cretox State » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:03 am
Honeydewistania wrote:"This still seems like an unnecessary overreach. While supportive of environmental resolutions, this is excessive micromanagement. Against."
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:04 am
by Honeydewistania » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:26 am
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Cretox State » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:31 pm
Honeydewistania wrote:Cretox State wrote:"Which parts specifically constitute unnecessary overreach?"
"The premise. Regulating rubbish tips doesn’t seem like a good idea, I think a better idea would be regulating the disposal of non-compostable, non-recyclable non-hazardous waste. (not sure if any are in place though, might wanna check.) I think SWLs are worth promoting as a place to dumb rubbish, as there are far worse ways to do so."
by Honeydewistania » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:41 pm
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Cretox State » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:49 pm
Honeydewistania wrote:"It still reads as a resolution discouraging landfills. Member nations will take one look and decide not to blow their money (especially poor nations) on building safe landfills and decide to incinerate everything instead. Or was that your goal?"
by Honeydewistania » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:59 pm
Cretox State wrote:Honeydewistania wrote:"It still reads as a resolution discouraging landfills. Member nations will take one look and decide not to blow their money (especially poor nations) on building safe landfills and decide to incinerate everything instead. Or was that your goal?"
OOC: You do understand that landfills make money, right?
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Cretox State » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:55 pm
Honeydewistania wrote:Cretox State wrote:OOC: You do understand that landfills make money, right?
(Are those privately owned or provided by the government?)
by Honeydewistania » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:59 pm
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Cretox State » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:07 pm
Honeydewistania wrote:Cretox State wrote:OOC: The proposal applies to both. Regardless, I would hardly call regulations already in place throughout the real world a substantially onerous strain on member nations' economies.
However, people will take a look at incineration and landfills. One costs more than the other. So... burn everything!
by Honeydewistania » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:18 pm
Cretox State wrote:Honeydewistania wrote:However, people will take a look at incineration and landfills. One costs more than the other. So... burn everything!
OOC: Incinerator plants themselves cost money, and need to be built. Why is it that landfills subject to even more stringent regulations than what's in this proposal are so prevalent in the real world?
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Cretox State » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:42 pm
by Araraukar » Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:22 am
Cretox State wrote:Nonhazardous Waste Disposal Act
Category: Regulation
Area of effect: Safety
Understanding the importance of landfills in providing a cost-effective method for the disposal of non-compostable and non-recyclable solid waste,
Concerned by the potential environmental and health hazards of solid waste landfills, and
Wishing to provide a regulatory framework for the safe operation of solid waste landfills to mitigate such hazards, and the general disposal of nonhazardous solid waste, hereby:
a "solid waste landfill" (SWL) as an artificially constructed site that receives nonhazardous solid waste for the purposes of long-term or permanent storage; and
Prohibits the construction of SWLs in ecologically important areas or areas whose characteristics could reasonably be expected to interfere with the environmentally safe operation of a SWL;
Forbids the long-term storage or disposal of nonhazardous solid waste in a manner that poses a significant threat to the surrounding environment or groundwater;
include effective physical barriers designed to protect the surrounding environment and groundwater from leachate;
include effective systems for the collection and removal of leachate for treatment and environmentally safe disposal; and
are operated in such a way that minimizes their environmental footprint;
ensure the regular testing of any groundwater well that could reasonably be affected by leachate or other waste materials originating from a SWL;
take reasonable measures to protect the surrounding environment after the closing of a SWL;
establish, where none already exist, and utilize effective systems for the environmentally safe pre-disposal collection of nonhazardous solid waste not intended for recycling or composting in accordance with their economic capabilities; and
establish, if such does not already exist, an agency or similar organization with the responsibility of inspecting and regulating SWLs in accordance with this resolution,implementing additional measures related to the operation of SWLs, and reviewing complaints regarding the operation of particular SWLs;
Encourages member nations to promote the recycling of waste where applicable.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Cretox State » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:18 pm
OOC: No. It's about environmental protection so it belongs in the Environmental category. Why do you keep seesawing about this?
IC: "Why do you insist on creating loopholes after a perfectly working solution already existed? Not all landfills are "artificially constructed sites" - the requirements listed below can exist naturally as well."
OOC: Also, you still have Cthulhu spawn crawling into wells, there. Leachate definition already includes particles. It doesn't say how small the particles must be to count. So strike out the "other waste materials" entirely.
OOC: Just to avoid the prevalent issue of "creating committees and giving them unlimited powers", specify that this is a NATIONAL thing, not a WA thing. You can probably do that just by making it read "a state agency" (which is different from "government agency" ) and removing the struck out bit, because unless you take the power away from nations like this, they have the right to make additional regulations with national legislation. Don't take away that right.
by Araraukar » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:31 pm
Cretox State wrote:I'm uncertain as to what category would work best here.
A large part of this proposal is protecting people from hazards associated with solid waste landfills, especially with the provisions dealing with groundwater
and now this: "Prohibits the construction of SWLs in ecologically important areas or areas where their normal operations would cause significant danger to the wellbeing of nearby permanent residents;"
IC: "Why do you insist on creating loopholes after a perfectly working solution already existed? Not all landfills are "artificially constructed sites" - the requirements listed below can exist naturally as well."
To avoid problems with stuff like waste being dumped into a river. That's why clause 3 exists.
OOC: Also, you still have Cthulhu spawn crawling into wells, there. Leachate definition already includes particles. It doesn't say how small the particles must be to count. So strike out the "other waste materials" entirely.
The definition of leachate specifies that it be a liquid.
That's a subclause for a reason. The agency would clearly be created by member nations.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Cretox State » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:56 pm
by Cretox State » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:09 pm
by Honeydewistania » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:40 pm
Kenmoria wrote:“I agree with other ambassadors. Regulating landfills is done, at least in Kenmoria, by provincial rather than national government. This adds bureaucracy for no identifiable benefit. I suggest only targeting landfills of an exceptionally large size with those clauses.”
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Cretox State » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:01 am
Honeydewistania wrote:Kenmoria wrote:“I agree with other ambassadors. Regulating landfills is done, at least in Kenmoria, by provincial rather than national government. This adds bureaucracy for no identifiable benefit. I suggest only targeting landfills of an exceptionally large size with those clauses.”
Shame.
Against.
by Honeydewistania » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:01 pm
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Heale » Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:06 am
Cretox State wrote:OOC: A proposal to regulate the establishment and maintenance of solid waste landfills. As always, any feedback is appreciated.
Draft 5: Cleaning up.Landfill Regulation Act
Category: Environmental
Area of effect: All Businesses - Mild
The World Assembly,
Understanding the importance of landfills in providing a cost-effective method for the disposal of non-compostable and non-recyclable solid waste,
Concerned by the potential environmental and health hazards of solid waste landfills, and
Wishing to provide a regulatory framework for the safe operation of solid waste landfills to mitigate such hazards, hereby:
- Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
- a "solid waste landfill" (SWL) as a location that receives nonhazardous solid waste for the purposes of long-term or permanent storage; and
- "leachate" as any liquid containing chemicals or particles originating from the solid waste stored in a SWL;
- Prohibits the construction of SWLs in ecologically important areas or areas where their normal operations would cause significant danger to the wellbeing of nearby permanent residents;
- Forbids the long-term storage of nonhazardous solid waste in a manner or a location where it can pose a significant threat to the surrounding environment or groundwater;
- Requires that all SWLs:
- include effective physical barriers designed to protect the surrounding environment and groundwater from waste contained in them and leachate originating from them;
- include effective systems for the collection and removal of leachate for treatment and environmentally safe disposal; and
- are operated in such a way that minimizes potential environmental and health hazards resulting from their operations, within reason;
- Mandates that member nations:
- ensure the regular testing of groundwater and other aquatic environments that could reasonably be affected by leachate in order to gauge the effectiveness of relevant existing SWL regulations and the need for further regulations; and
- establish, if such does not already exist, a state agency or similar organization with the responsibility of inspecting and regulating SWLs in accordance with this resolution and reviewing complaints regarding the operation of particular SWLs;
- Clarifies that regulations implemented pursuant to this resolution must remain in effect after a SWL stops receiving additional waste material until such a time when said regulations are no longer effective or necessary in providing for the environmentally safe maintenance of the SWL site; and
- Encourages member nations to promote methods of waste reduction to reduce their reliance on solid waste landfills as a form of waste management.
Nonhazardous Waste Disposal Act
Category: Regulation
Area of effect: Safety
The World Assembly,
Understanding the importance of landfills in providing a cost-effective method for the disposal of non-compostable and non-recyclable solid waste,
Concerned by the potential environmental and health hazards of solid waste landfills, and
Wishing to provide a regulatory framework for the safe operation of solid waste landfills to mitigate such hazards, and the general disposal of nonhazardous solid waste, hereby:
- Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
- a "solid waste landfill" (SWL) as an artificially constructed site that receives nonhazardous solid waste for the purposes of long-term or permanent storage; and
- "leachate" as any liquid containing chemicals or particles originating from the solid waste stored in a SWL;
- Prohibits the construction of SWLs in ecologically important areas or areas whose characteristics could reasonably be expected to interfere with the environmentally safe operation of a SWL;
- Forbids the long-term storage or disposal of nonhazardous solid waste in a manner that poses a significant threat to the surrounding environment or groundwater;
- Requires that all SWLs:
- include effective physical barriers designed to protect the surrounding environment and groundwater from leachate;
- include effective systems for the collection and removal of leachate for treatment and environmentally safe disposal; and
- are operated in such a way that minimizes their environmental footprint;
- Mandates that member nations:
- ensure the regular testing of any groundwater well that could reasonably be affected by leachate or other waste materials originating from a SWL;
- take reasonable measures to protect the surrounding environment after the closing of a SWL;
- establish, where none already exist, and utilize effective systems for the environmentally safe pre-disposal collection of nonhazardous solid waste not intended for recycling or composting in accordance with their economic capabilities; and
- establish, if such does not already exist, an agency or similar organization with the responsibility of inspecting and regulating SWLs in accordance with this resolution, implementing additional measures related to the operation of SWLs, and reviewing complaints regarding the operation of particular SWLs;
- Encourages member nations to promote the recycling of waste where applicable.
Landfill Regulation Act
Category: Environmental
Area of effect: All Businesses - Mild
Understanding the importance of landfills in providing a cost-effective method for the disposal of non-compostable and non-recyclable solid waste,
Concerned by the potential environmental and health hazards of solid waste landfills, and
Wishing to provide a regulatory framework for the safe operation of solid waste landfills to mitigate such hazards, hereby:
- Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
- a "solid waste landfill" (SWL) as a location that receives nonhazardous solid waste for the purposes of long-term or permanent storage; and
- "leachate" as any liquid containing chemicals or particles originating from the solid waste stored in a SWL;
- Prohibits the construction of SWLs in ecologically important areas or areas whose characteristics could reasonably be expected to interfere with the environmentally safe operation of a SWL;
- Requires that all SWLs:
- include physical barriers designed to protect the surrounding environment and groundwater from leachate;
- include systems for the collection and removal of leachate for treatment and environmentally safe disposal; and
- are operated in such a way that minimizes their environmental footprint;
- Mandates that member nations:
- ensure the regular testing of any groundwater well that could reasonably be affected leachate or other waste materials originating from an SWL;
- take reasonable measures to protect the surrounding environment after the closing of a SWL; and
- establish, if such does not already exist, an agency or similar organization with the responsibility of inspecting and regulating SWLs in accordance with this resolution, implementing additional measures related to the operation of SWLs, and reviewing complaints regarding the operation of particular SWLs.
Landfill Regulation Act
Category: Environmental
Area of effect: All Businesses = Mild
Noting the vast volumes of waste produced by the recreational, industrial, and other activities of the peoples of the world;
Understanding the importance of landfills in providing a cost-effective method for the disposal of solid waste;
Concerned, however, of the potential environmental and health fallout of solid waste landfills;
Wishing to provide a regulatory framework for the safe operation of solid waste landfills to address the above, hereby:
- Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
- a "solid waste landfill" (SWL) as an area of land or excavation that receives household solid waste or other nonhazardous solid waste for the purposes of long-term disposal in that area;
- "leachate" as any liquid originating from waste stored within a SWL, or any liquid that has passed through said waste;
- Mandates that member nations:
- prohibit the construction of SWLs in an area if that area possesses geographical characteristics, such as a nearby fault line or being located in a flood plain, which may reasonably interfere with the safe operation of a SWL;
- require SWLs to:
- include physical barriers designed to protect the surrounding environment and groundwater from the release of leachate;
- contain systems for the collection and removal of leachate for treatment and disposal;
- have their waste compacted and frequently covered with soil or a similarly effective substitute for the purpose of reducing odor and protecting public health;
- ensure the frequent testing of any groundwater well that could reasonably be impacted by the operation of a SWL to determine whether waste materials have escaped from said SWL;
- establish a government agency or repurpose an existing agency with the responsibility of inspecting and regulating SWLs in accordance with this resolution, and reviewing complaints regarding the operation of SWLs, if no such agency exists which may perform its duties under this resolution satisfactorily;
- Instructs member nations to take reasonable measures to protect the surrounding environment during and after the closing of a SWL;
- Prohibits retaliation against an individual for making a complaint regarding the operation of a SWL to the responsible officials of a member nation, unless said complaint is clearly frivolous in nature.
Landfill Regulation Act
Category: Regulation
Area of effect: Safety
Noting the vast volumes of waste produced by the recreational, industrial, and other activities of the peoples of the world;
Understanding the importance of landfills in providing a cost-effective method for the disposal of solid waste;
Concerned, however, of the potential environmental and health fallout of solid waste landfills;
Wishing to provide a regulatory framework for the safe operation of solid waste landfills to address the above, hereby:
- Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
- a "solid waste landfill" (SWL) as an area of land or excavation that receives household solid waste or other nonhazardous solid waste for the purposes of long-term disposal in that area;
- "leachate" as any liquid originating from waste stored within a SWL, or any liquid that has passed through said waste;
- Establishes the Committee for Landfill Oversight (CLO), with the following responsibilities:
- surveying proposed SWL sites for potential environmental risk as a result of the construction of a landfill in that site;
- approving proposed SWL sites if the nature of said site does not present a significant risk of interfering with the safe operation of the landfill to be constructed there;
- approving plans for the construction and operation of SWLs if said plans are effective in their purpose and comply with this resolution;
- implementing regulations on the covering of SWLs and the maintenance of covered SWLs;
- implementing regulations on the control and cleanup of releases of SWL waste into the surrounding environment;
- conducting inspections of existing SWLs to ensure their compliance with this resolution;
- reviewing complaints regarding the operation of SWLs;
- assisting member nations with the implementation of additional measures relating to SWLs;
- Mandates that an SWL:
- only be constructed if its construction is authorized by CLO in accordance with section 2 of this resolution;
- include physical barriers designed to protect the surrounding environment and groundwater from the release of leachate;
- contain a system for the collection and removal of leachate for treatment and disposal;
- have its waste compacted and frequently covered with soil or a similarly effective substitute for the purpose of reducing odor and protecting public health;
- be accompanied by frequent testing of any groundwater well that could reasonably be impacted by the operation of the SWL to determine whether waste materials have escaped from said SWL;
- Instructs member nations to take reasonable measures to ensure the protection of the surrounding environment during and after the closing of a SWL;
- Prohibits retaliation against an individual for making a complaint to CLO.
by Heale » Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:09 am
Cretox State wrote:OOC: Draft 5 is now up.OOC: No. It's about environmental protection so it belongs in the Environmental category. Why do you keep seesawing about this?
I'm uncertain as to what category would work best here. A large part of this proposal is protecting people from hazards associated with solid waste landfills, especially with the provisions dealing with groundwater and now this: "Prohibits the construction of SWLs in ecologically important areas or areas where their normal operations would cause significant danger to the wellbeing of nearby permanent residents;"IC: "Why do you insist on creating loopholes after a perfectly working solution already existed? Not all landfills are "artificially constructed sites" - the requirements listed below can exist naturally as well."
To avoid problems with stuff like waste being dumped into a river. That's why clause 3 exists.OOC: Also, you still have Cthulhu spawn crawling into wells, there. Leachate definition already includes particles. It doesn't say how small the particles must be to count. So strike out the "other waste materials" entirely.
The definition of leachate specifies that it be a liquid.OOC: Just to avoid the prevalent issue of "creating committees and giving them unlimited powers", specify that this is a NATIONAL thing, not a WA thing. You can probably do that just by making it read "a state agency" (which is different from "government agency" ) and removing the struck out bit, because unless you take the power away from nations like this, they have the right to make additional regulations with national legislation. Don't take away that right.
That's a subclause for a reason. The agency would clearly be created by member nations.
by Cretox State » Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:11 am
Heale wrote:The only problem I see is what if the committee gets corrupted, which is very possible based on the current state of the WA.
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