NationStates

The author of this resolution has decided no longer to pursue this, as this resolution was only meant to apply IC and not OOC, but that is not possible.

"You foreigners allow random civilians to simply invalidate your laws? How do you people run governments at all?"

Ooc: I'm pretty sure this would constitute a Game mechanics violation. Resolutions have automatic statistical effects. No nullification would bar those effects.

I also suspect it would violate WAJA, since nullification constructively contradicts the obligations therein, but I'm less sure about that without a copy in front of me.

Tinfect wrote:"You foreigners allow random civilians to simply invalidate your laws? How do you people run governments at all?"

We allow juries to nullify laws, but the law can be reinstated if half of our parliament votes to reinstate it. In addition, if at least a third of our populace signs a specific petition, a referendum can be held, and if a majority of citizens votes to repeal it, then it is repealed and can only be reinstated by another referendum, or by a parliamentary vote at least 10 years later.

Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: I'm pretty sure this would constitute a Game mechanics violation. Resolutions have automatic statistical effects. No nullification would bar those effects.

I also suspect it would violate WAJA, since nullification constructively contradicts the obligations therein, but I'm less sure about that without a copy in front of me.

OOC: This would be purely for "lore", not affecting game mechanics. It simply allows nations to write in their lore that a certain resolution has been nullified.

Middle Barael wrote:We allow juries to nullify laws, but the law can be reinstated if half of our parliament votes to reinstate it. In addition, if at least a third of our populace signs a specific petition, a referendum can be held, and if a majority of citizens votes to repeal it, then it is repealed and can only be reinstated by another referendum, or by a parliamentary vote at least 10 years later.

So basically you have no laws. Because juries come and go and there are lots of them, composed of small numbers of people, all the time.

OOC: I believe this has a game mechanics problem.

IC: "Ambassador, with all due respect, this law is simply unfair. If you allow one group of nations to not follow WA resolutions and force one group to follow them, then that sets a dangerous precedent! The USSR does not have juries. This law allows nations with juries to simply not follow the World Assembly resolutions they do not want, while forcing nations like the USSR to follow them."

Middle Barael wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: I'm pretty sure this would constitute a Game mechanics violation. Resolutions have automatic statistical effects. No nullification would bar those effects.

I also suspect it would violate WAJA, since nullification constructively contradicts the obligations therein, but I'm less sure about that without a copy in front of me.

OOC: This would be purely for "lore", not affecting game mechanics. It simply allows nations to write in their lore that a certain resolution has been nullified.

Ooc: not how the game works. Lore or not, it must square with the rules. It doesnt. Fundamentally.

I struggle to see how this squares with a requirement that say, "Member nations must do X".

Separatist Peoples wrote:

Middle Barael wrote:OOC: This would be purely for "lore", not affecting game mechanics. It simply allows nations to write in their lore that a certain resolution has been nullified.

Ooc: not how the game works. Lore or not, it must square with the rules. It doesnt. Fundamentally.

Oh. Oops. I guess IC nations can just nullify the laws, and they don't need this resolution. I was intending for this resolution to only apply IC, but since it has to apply both IC and OOC, please consider this resolution as retracted.

Middle Barael wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: not how the game works. Lore or not, it must square with the rules. It doesnt. Fundamentally.

Oh. Oops. I guess IC nations can just nullify the laws, and they don't need this resolution. I was intending for this resolution to only apply IC, but since it has to apply both IC and OOC, please consider this resolution as retracted.

You may want to change the title from "Draft" to "Abandoned", then.

Middle Barael wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: not how the game works. Lore or not, it must square with the rules. It doesnt. Fundamentally.

Oh. Oops. I guess IC nations can just nullify the laws, and they don't need this resolution. I was intending for this resolution to only apply IC, but since it has to apply both IC and OOC, please consider this resolution as retracted.

Ooc: if you mean cant, then yes. Noncompliance without addressing the enforcement mechanisms in the GA is considered godmodding here.

For future reference, nuking your OP is considered bad form.