[DRAFT] Repeal Resolution #286: Reproductive Freedoms

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Its pretty clear that they do. They have no more incentive to leave it at national level than the pro-choice crowd does, unless they don't believe their own moral stance. The only real defense is that they lack the political capital to do so, which is simply not the case for the pro choice side.

So you’re pretty openly declaring that you want to squish the opposition? Rather disturbing, but your own signature has some relevant advice.

OOC: Welcome to the whole point of the GA: to pass resolutions. Unless...you suggest that we should pass no resolutions to which people oppose? But that would leave us with...no resolutions! I know what you can do if you don't want any resolutions affecting you in this game, you know.

If you think the sigged comments are salient advice, you missed the point of my putting them there. Cheer up, pal. We all end up on the wrong side of a vote sometime.

[Fluvannia]

So you’re pretty openly declaring that you want to squish the opposition? Rather disturbing, but your own signature has some relevant advice.

OOC: It's less about squishing the opposition and more about acknowledging the fact that for all intents and purposes any intents said opposition make at pushing forward their agenda on this matter are functionally doomed to fail.

OOC: if that were the case, these measures would be defeated without the need to further violate national sovereignty. If that were the case, the status quo would pretty much sit where it is, and proposals like “Access to Abortion” wouldn’t be pursued, because that proposal has nothing to do with a pro-life agenda failing, but an anti-life agenda succeeding. So I’m sorry, but your attempt to convince me it’s not about squishing the opposition is unsuccessful.

For that matter, these proposals only ever seem to show up when A2A is resubmitted, so if your assertion were accurate, these proposals wouldn’t even be regularly defeated, they simply wouldn’t exist.

[Fluvannia]

So you’re pretty openly declaring that you want to squish the opposition? Rather disturbing, but your own signature has some relevant advice.

OOC: Welcome to the whole point of the GA: to pass resolutions. Unless...you suggest that we should pass no resolutions to which people oppose? But that would leave us with...no resolutions! I know what you can do if you don't want any resolutions affecting you in this game, you know.

If you think the sigged comments are salient advice, you missed the point of my putting them there. Cheer up, pal. We all end up on the wrong side of a vote sometime.

“If you’re not willing to play by my rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to play.” Yet another shameful display from someone who is supposed to be a leader in this organization.

I’m sure we all do end up on the wrong side of a vote, but in this case, it’s not me.

[Morover]

OOC: Welcome to the whole point of the GA: to pass resolutions. Unless...you suggest that we should pass no resolutions to which people oppose? But that would leave us with...no resolutions! I know what you can do if you don't want any resolutions affecting you in this game, you know.

If you think the sigged comments are salient advice, you missed the point of my putting them there. Cheer up, pal. We all end up on the wrong side of a vote sometime.

“If you’re not willing to play by my rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to play.” Yet another shameful display from someone who is supposed to be a leader in this organization.

I’m sure we all do end up on the wrong side of a vote, but in this case, it’s not me.

I literally have no idea what you're trying to say here. I feel like reading comprehension may not be your strong suit, considering you just claimed Sep said something that he definitely did not say.

Unless, of course, you're saying that the assertion that the point of the GA is to pass resolutions are Sep's "rules" - in which case, I bring into question your critical thinking abilities.

[Fluvannia]

“If you’re not willing to play by my rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to play.” Yet another shameful display from someone who is supposed to be a leader in this organization.

I’m sure we all do end up on the wrong side of a vote, but in this case, it’s not me.

I literally have no idea what you're trying to say here. I feel like reading comprehension may not be your strong suit, considering you just claimed Sep said something that he definitely did not say.

Unless, of course, you're saying that the assertion that the point of the GA is to pass resolutions are Sep's "rules" - in which case, I bring into question your critical thinking abilities.

Nice personal attacks, even if they’re unfounded.

[Morover]

I literally have no idea what you're trying to say here. I feel like reading comprehension may not be your strong suit, considering you just claimed Sep said something that he definitely did not say.

Unless, of course, you're saying that the assertion that the point of the GA is to pass resolutions are Sep's "rules" - in which case, I bring into question your critical thinking abilities.

Nice personal attacks, even if they’re unfounded.

Feel free to report me if you think I was flaming - I don't think that I was, as I explicitly laid out what you mischaracterized and used a bit of sarcasm as to exemplify the point. Was I a bit rude? Yeah. Sorry about that, I'm usually far nicer. I legitimately don't understand what you were getting at, though, and given that you didn't respond to that portion of my comment, I guess my confusion wasn't entirely unfounded.

[Godular]

I literally have no idea what you're trying to say here. I feel like reading comprehension may not be your strong suit, considering you just claimed Sep said something that he definitely did not say.

Unless, of course, you're saying that the assertion that the point of the GA is to pass resolutions are Sep's "rules" - in which case, I bring into question your critical thinking abilities.

Nice personal attacks, even if they’re unfounded.

If you believe that rulebreaking behavior has occurred, please report it to moderation.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Welcome to the whole point of the GA: to pass resolutions. Unless...you suggest that we should pass no resolutions to which people oppose? But that would leave us with...no resolutions! I know what you can do if you don't want any resolutions affecting you in this game, you know.

If you think the sigged comments are salient advice, you missed the point of my putting them there. Cheer up, pal. We all end up on the wrong side of a vote sometime.

“If you’re not willing to play by my rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to play.” Yet another shameful display from someone who is supposed to be a leader in this organization.

I’m sure we all do end up on the wrong side of a vote, but in this case, it’s not me.

OOC: Morover has it right there. Those aren't my rules of the game, thats literally how the game operates. People vote yes or no. Side with most Ayes wins. Which means that if a particular group has enough votes to pass something, they have no reason not to try to pass it. If you believe that abortion is murder, there's literally no moral reason not to impose that on everybody. Perhaps a political reason, but no moral reason. Welcome to incentives.

GenSec doesn't lead. GenSec act as judges. We are arbiters of the rules. If you had spent any time in the GA, you might have known that very basic part of how the GA operates.

You might also have noted the part where members of GenSec are allowed to play the game as players. Which is why we have recusal guidelines.

Come now. Keep up. This is all posted publicly.

[Godular]

“If you’re not willing to play by my rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to play.” Yet another shameful display from someone who is supposed to be a leader in this organization.

I’m sure we all do end up on the wrong side of a vote, but in this case, it’s not me.

OOC: GenSec doesn't lead. GenSec act as judges. We are arbiters of the rules. If you had spent any time in the GA, you might have known that very basic part of how the GA operates.

You might also have noted the part where members of GenSec are allowed to play the game as players. Which is why we have recusal guidelines. Come now. Keep up. This is all posted publicly.

OOC: Hell, if I recall correctly, the Security Council doesn't even EXIST in-character.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: GenSec doesn't lead. GenSec act as judges. We are arbiters of the rules. If you had spent any time in the GA, you might have known that very basic part of how the GA operates.

You might also have noted the part where members of GenSec are allowed to play the game as players. Which is why we have recusal guidelines. Come now. Keep up. This is all posted publicly.

OOC: Hell, if I recall correctly, the Security Council doesn't even EXIST in-character.

OOC It does not.

[Fluvannia]

“If you’re not willing to play by my rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to play.” Yet another shameful display from someone who is supposed to be a leader in this organization.

I’m sure we all do end up on the wrong side of a vote, but in this case, it’s not me.

OOC: Morover has it right there. Those aren't my rules of the game, thats literally how the game operates. People vote yes or no. Side with most Ayes wins. Which means that if a particular group has enough votes to pass something, they have no reason not to try to pass it. If you believe that abortion is murder, there's literally no moral reason not to impose that on everybody. Perhaps a political reason, but no moral reason. Welcome to incentives.

GenSec doesn't lead. GenSec act as judges. We are arbiters of the rules. If you had spent any time in the GA, you might have known that very basic part of how the GA operates.

You might also have noted the part where members of GenSec are allowed to play the game as players. Which is why we have recusal guidelines.

Come now. Keep up. This is all posted publicly.

OOC: The behavior of several in this thread and others (including the condescending tone at the end, that didn’t go unnoticed or unexpected) has in fact reaffirmed my decision to generally avoid contact with the GA unless absolutely necessary, sadly.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Morover has it right there. Those aren't my rules of the game, thats literally how the game operates. People vote yes or no. Side with most Ayes wins. Which means that if a particular group has enough votes to pass something, they have no reason not to try to pass it. If you believe that abortion is murder, there's literally no moral reason not to impose that on everybody. Perhaps a political reason, but no moral reason. Welcome to incentives.

GenSec doesn't lead. GenSec act as judges. We are arbiters of the rules. If you had spent any time in the GA, you might have known that very basic part of how the GA operates.

You might also have noted the part where members of GenSec are allowed to play the game as players. Which is why we have recusal guidelines.

Come now. Keep up. This is all posted publicly.

OOC: The behavior of several in this thread and others (including the condescending tone at the end, that didn’t go unnoticed or unexpected) has in fact reaffirmed my decision to generally avoid contact with the GA unless absolutely necessary, sadly.

OOC: Not everybody can handle it. Though, for what its worth, any snark you receive is tit for tat. I brought up the incentives inherent in the pro-life side to actually criminalize abortion would GAR#286 be repealed. You responded with...some kind of poorly informed insinuation that that is a rule I've imposed not long after suggesting I resign because I am vocally opposed to your suggested policy.

Struck me as unnecessary, but such is life, and I don't believe in turning cheeks as a player. Especially when 10 minutes of research would resolve your confusion.

[The Palentine]

This drek again? Makes me long for the good old days when one could write a straight blocker to close off subjects of legislation.
Personally I hope both sides get a case of the pox.
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

OOC: Hell, if I recall correctly, the Security Council doesn't even EXIST in-character.

OOC It does not.

My condemnation was in-character, and if I recall correctly the debate for it was too.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Jimmy beheld yet another repeal of #286 being escorted to the hopper at the front of the chamber...and proceeded to pound his head repeatedly against his desk.

[Godular]

OOC It does not.

My condemnation was in-character, and if I recall correctly the debate for it was too.

I'm... not sure what you mean, here.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I'm confused too.

...unless you wrote Security Council when you meant Secretariat, in which case, if you're saying GenSec doesn't exist IC, I agree.

[WayNeacTia]

OOC: Hell, if I recall correctly, the Security Council doesn't even EXIST in-character.

OOC It does not.

Really? So your commendation isn't in character? Benjamin Bell, who just happens to look exactly like Avery Brooks just happens to be a real person?

[Ardiveds]

OOC: Morover has it right there. Those aren't my rules of the game, thats literally how the game operates. People vote yes or no. Side with most Ayes wins. Which means that if a particular group has enough votes to pass something, they have no reason not to try to pass it. If you believe that abortion is murder, there's literally no moral reason not to impose that on everybody. Perhaps a political reason, but no moral reason. Welcome to incentives.

GenSec doesn't lead. GenSec act as judges. We are arbiters of the rules. If you had spent any time in the GA, you might have known that very basic part of how the GA operates.

You might also have noted the part where members of GenSec are allowed to play the game as players. Which is why we have recusal guidelines.

Come now. Keep up. This is all posted publicly.

OOC: The behavior of several in this thread and others (including the condescending tone at the end, that didn’t go unnoticed or unexpected) has in fact reaffirmed my decision to generally avoid contact with the GA unless absolutely necessary, sadly.

OOC: Trust me, its usually not this toxic in here, only in case of anythint related to abortion. Which is why whenever there is any talk about abortion I'm usually pretty hesitant to take either side and largely keep out of that 'access to abortion' thread, that has become a rather occasional source of sudden toxic eruptions from both sides.

[Godular]

I'm confused too.

...unless you wrote Security Council when you meant Secretariat, in which case, if you're saying GenSec doesn't exist IC, I agree.

Yes, actually... that is exactly what I meant. Apologies for the confusion, I mixed up what was what.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC It does not.

Really? So your commendation isn't in character? Benjamin Bell, who just happens to look exactly like Avery Brooks just happens to be a real person?

Ooc: you wrote it IC. It was great fun. But its meta gaming to mention the SC in a proposal per our very first opinion. Which means it doesnt exist IC. I guess the GA caN exist in the SC, which has less rp, but the whole SC went over to Gameside ages ago.

Its fairly limited to proposals. You're welcome to RP otherwise, but the prevailing RP since before gensec has been to pretend otherwise, likely thanks to Gruen's influence.

GenSec is also OOC and doesnt really exist IC. Like the SC or the mods, I guess you could work it into the roleplay, but it would be Metagaming to say it in a proposal, so ymmv. It probably overstates the case to say it cannot be included as an IC function in posts, and I see why you're quick to point it out. But as a rule of thumb, it's a whole lot easier to explain to new players that it doesnt exist ICly.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: fwiw, Wayne and Kenny, I, too, long for an SC with more RP such that we could recognize it in GA proposals. But the whole place got mobbed by Gameplay, and now it has this lingering odor of mouldy ham...

[Godular]

Ooc: fwiw, Wayne and Kenny, I, too, long for an SC with more RP such that we could recognize it in GA proposals. But the whole place got mobbed by Gameplay, and now it has this lingering odor of mouldy ham...

I will not post those green eggs and ham, they got too caught up in sarcasm and spam!

[Sierra Lyricalia]

You should submit this.

OOC: Dude, really?

To the OP: The legislative process around here is most often characterized as "marathon, not a sprint." Certainly it's a rare proposal that does well without a lengthy drafting period; and the repeal you've chosen to try to pass has been tried many times before, by highly experienced authors on both sides of the abortion question, all without success. This will almost certainly not succeed, and I don't want you to get your hopes up. I would suggest hanging around a while and trying to cut your teeth on an easier task. Welcome to the Festering Snakepit!

[WayNeacTia]

Really? So your commendation isn't in character? Benjamin Bell, who just happens to look exactly like Avery Brooks just happens to be a real person?

Ooc: you wrote it IC. It was great fun.

I wrote it? Don't think so. I perused it when it was on the forums for the region, but I had no part in it.