[DRAFT] Regulations on Convict Labor

[Barfleur]

/bump

I'm thinking of reworking this proposal to make it more passable, and then submitting again.

(OOC: Did it not reach quorum? I can’t think why, except perhaps due to an error with campaigning. There doesn’t seem to be anything immediately wrong with the draft.)

Sadly, it did not reach quorum. I campaigned manually, though I think I'll use API next time.

Clarification needed: Are prisons allowed to force everyone off their arse and work? Or is it an 'opt-in' thing?

Nations cannot force prisoners to work, as that would violate Int'l Criminal Protocol. What nations can do is decide whether or not prisoners are allowed to work, should they so choose.

[Honeydewistania]

I see. Well, support.

[Barfleur]

I'll submit this tomorrow at minor. Promise.

[Hanshire]

Prisoners have given up all rights once a crime is committed. There should be no regulations. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

[Barfleur]

Prisoners have given up all rights once a crime is committed. There should be no regulations. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

OOC: Nonsense.
IC: "My esteemed friend, I think you are looking at the criminal justice system the wrong way. The purpose of said system is not to cause suffering for the sake of suffering to the criminal, rather, to give them a punishment appropriate to the crime committed, and to rehabilitate them so that they will leave prison a better and more productive person than when they came in."

[Kenmoria]

“In the ‘recognising’ clause, ‘incarcerated being’ sounds odd. Consider ‘incarcerated person’ instead. As before, full support.”

[Honeydewistania]

1. Defines, for the purpose of this resolution, a "prisoner" as a sapient being confined to a certain location as punishment for a crime, with such location excluding one's home;

This will work better if you just removed the exclusion from the definition and apply a clarifying clause clarifying that it does not apply to house arrests.

Overall it's quite good.

[Hanshire]

Prisoners have given up all rights once a crime is committed. There should be no regulations. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

OOC: Nonsense.
IC: "My esteemed friend, I think you are looking at the criminal justice system the wrong way. The purpose of said system is not to cause suffering for the sake of suffering to the criminal, rather, to give them a punishment appropriate to the crime committed, and to rehabilitate them so that they will leave prison a better and more productive person than when they came in."

There are people who cannot be redeemed sadly. They, can only serve justice through other means. This is just our view.

[Barfleur]

OOC: Nonsense.
IC: "My esteemed friend, I think you are looking at the criminal justice system the wrong way. The purpose of said system is not to cause suffering for the sake of suffering to the criminal, rather, to give them a punishment appropriate to the crime committed, and to rehabilitate them so that they will leave prison a better and more productive person than when they came in."

There are people who cannot be redeemed sadly. They, can only serve justice through other means. This is just our view.

"There are very few people in the world who are truly irredeemable. Someone who steals a bottle of whiskey from a liquor store certainly is not one of them, and does not deserve to spend the rest of his life as a virtual slave--aside from the obvious human rights violation, society would be much better served by rehabilitating him and putting him back in the workforce, where he can take a job, provide for his family, pay taxes, and not have to resort to crime."

[Hanshire]

There are people who cannot be redeemed sadly. They, can only serve justice through other means. This is just our view.

"There are very few people in the world who are truly irredeemable. Someone who steals a bottle of whiskey from a liquor store certainly is not one of them, and does not deserve to spend the rest of his life as a virtual slave--aside from the obvious human rights violation, society would be much better served by rehabilitating him and putting him back in the workforce, where he can take a job, provide for his family, pay taxes, and not have to resort to crime."

If only it were that easy. We try to bring them spiritual help but the WA is attempting to make it illegal to give these religious lifelines. It is a sad state of affairs, to say the least.

[Araraukar]

1. Defines, for the purpose of this resolution, a "prisoner" as a sapient being confined to a certain location as punishment for a crime;

OOC: Given you're excluding house arrest from this, that exclusion should definitely be included here. Otherwise it WILL come up (because it's buried as a sideswipe near the end of the proposal, currently). Maybe "...a prisoner as a sapient being confined to a certain location as punishment for a crime, barring house arrest at their own home or the home of a volunteer" instead? Because "house arrest" on its own is vague enough that you could claim it applies to all prisoners and thus they're excluded from your proposal. Not making it just "their own home", because they could be in house arrest at a relative's place or a friend's place or even the sheriff's home. But basically in someone's home. If they're locked up in other location (like a motel) and under guard, then that should count as being in prison for all applicable purposes, as they'd be better off if it did (because of all the prisoners' rights and such resolutions) than if it didn't.

[Barfleur]

"There are very few people in the world who are truly irredeemable. Someone who steals a bottle of whiskey from a liquor store certainly is not one of them, and does not deserve to spend the rest of his life as a virtual slave--aside from the obvious human rights violation, society would be much better served by rehabilitating him and putting him back in the workforce, where he can take a job, provide for his family, pay taxes, and not have to resort to crime."

If only it were that easy. We try to bring them spiritual help but the WA is attempting to make it illegal to give these religious lifelines. It is a sad state of affairs, to say the least.

"It certainly is a sad state of affairs that prisoners almost always leave prison worse for it than when they came in, and are unlikely to even be productive again. That is one of the many problems my proposal seeks to solve."

1. Defines, for the purpose of this resolution, a "prisoner" as a sapient being confined to a certain location as punishment for a crime;

OOC: Given you're excluding house arrest from this, that exclusion should definitely be included here. Otherwise it WILL come up (because it's buried as a sideswipe near the end of the proposal, currently). Maybe "...a prisoner as a sapient being confined to a certain location as punishment for a crime, barring house arrest at their own home or the home of a volunteer" instead? Because "house arrest" on its own is vague enough that you could claim it applies to all prisoners and thus they're excluded from your proposal. Not making it just "their own home", because they could be in house arrest at a relative's place or a friend's place or even the sheriff's home. But basically in someone's home. If they're locked up in other location (like a motel) and under guard, then that should count as being in prison for all applicable purposes, as they'd be better off if it did (because of all the prisoners' rights and such resolutions) than if it didn't.

OOC: Done.

[Hanshire]

Esteemed Ambassador of Barfleur

It certainly is a sad state of affairs that prisoners almost always leave prison worse for it than when they came in, and are unlikely to even be productive again. That is one of the many problems my proposal seeks to solve."

From the desk of Daphanie Heenan, Head of Foreign Relations in Conjunction With Head of Justice, Lana Sullivan and Grand Spiritual Advisor, Hulette:

Humans, are a true gift from the gods and understand the concepts of morality and laws. Our law system is in place to catch any demons amongst our people. To quote our Grand Spiritual Advisor, Fiona Hutette: "Demons have somehow escaped eternal damnation and have been sent to tear the fabric of our society at the seams. They do not abide by laws." Therefore, criminal are demons in disguise.

May the Empress Bless You All