[PASSED] Restrictions on Forced Eugenics

[Maowi]

OOC: Bump – I'd love feedback on this. Hoping to submit in maybe ~2 weeks.

[Honeydewistania]

OOC: Bump – I'd love feedback on this. Hoping to submit in maybe ~2 weeks.

I think the category could be significant, since all the clauses are forbidding or prohibiting

[Graintfjall]

“Despite some misgivings based on the premise and strong opposition to the first line of the introductory section, I think this is something we can support as a block on anything more substantial. The exceptions seem broad enough to permit us to continue the policies that have promoted racial hygiene within the Queendom, and the restrictions narrow enough as to not unduly infringe on parental choice.

“We would prefer the condemnation of eugenics be removed but as an introductory line it has no real force.”

-- Júlía Maria Jónsdóttir
Economic Advisor to the Græntfjall WA Mission

[Kenmoria]

OOC: Bump – I'd love feedback on this. Hoping to submit in maybe ~2 weeks.

(OOC: I cannot see anything wrong with this current draft.)

[Maowi]

I think the category could be significant, since all the clauses are forbidding or prohibiting

OOC: You're probably right, I've edited that.

“Despite some misgivings based on the premise and strong opposition to the first line of the introductory section, I think this is something we can support as a block on anything more substantial. The exceptions seem broad enough to permit us to continue the policies that have promoted racial hygiene within the Queendom, and the restrictions narrow enough as to not unduly infringe on parental choice.

“We would prefer the condemnation of eugenics be removed but as an introductory line it has no real force.”

-- Júlía Maria Jónsdóttir
Economic Advisor to the Græntfjall WA Mission

"I've made the slight modification in the opening line of clarifying that it is forced eugenics which we find problematic. I do not however see any provision in there which blocks further restrictions on eugenics or forced eugenics, nor do I see any gaps that would allow a compliant nation to disincentivise the reproduction of those of a specific race. I sincerely hope it is not such a condemnable practice to which you refer."

OOC: Bump – I'd love feedback on this. Hoping to submit in maybe ~2 weeks.

(OOC: I cannot see anything wrong with this current draft.)

OOC: Great, thank you for looking it over!

[Graintfjall]

"I've made the slight modification in the opening line of clarifying that it is forced eugenics which we find problematic."

“Thank you, that totally satisfies our concern and we will be happy to fully support this now.”

-- Júlía Maria Jónsdóttir

[Maowi]

OOC: Made a slight edit to remove minor duplication with Convention Against Genocide, just to be on the safe side, and I'll be submitting in a week - so this is a sort of last call!

[Interstellar Tauri Union]

OOC: does the mandatory mind-uploading of citizens into synthetic bodies count as eugenics? does it conflict with the proposition?

[Maowi]

OOC: does the mandatory mind-uploading of citizens into synthetic bodies count as eugenics? does it conflict with the proposition?

OOC: Well, I can't say I know exactly how mind-uploading citizens into synthetic bodies works, but you can ... probably make the argument that if you're not genetically modifying the original body it doesn't come under the proposal? To be honest though I'm not too sure, but I don't think it's a big enough thing to modify the proposal for.

[Interstellar Tauri Union]

OOC: does the mandatory mind-uploading of citizens into synthetic bodies count as eugenics? does it conflict with the proposition?

OOC: Well, I can't say I know exactly how mind-uploading citizens into synthetic bodies works, but you can ... probably make the argument that if you're not genetically modifying the original body it doesn't come under the proposal? To be honest though I'm not too sure, but I don't think it's a big enough thing to modify the proposal for.

ooc:
yea we do have a policy of free choice in appearance and status, so technically the proposition doesnt apply to it. however it could be considered anti-organic eugenics

[Maowi]

OOC: I have submitted this.

[Honeydewistania]

OOC: I have submitted this.

Yay!

[Cretox State]

"Barring any last-moment flaws that have mysteriously slipped everyone's attention up to this point, we support this."

[Gran Serenissima]

"The Ambassador of Gran Serenissima finds it confusing that governmental promotion of genetic editing, referred to as 'eugenics' in this proposal, being at heart an internal affair of nations, has any sort of resolution concerning it brought to the World Assembly." - Mardanshah Tabari, Ambassador of the Gran Serenissima mission to the World Assembly

[Maowi]

"Barring any last-moment flaws that have mysteriously slipped everyone's attention up to this point, we support this."

"We're grateful for your support, thank you ambassador.

"The Ambassador of Gran Serenissima finds it confusing that governmental promotion of genetic editing, referred to as 'eugenics' in this proposal, being at heart an internal affair of nations, has any sort of resolution concerning it brought to the World Assembly." - Mardanshah Tabari, Ambassador of the Gran Serenissima mission to the World Assembly

"I would strongly reject the claim that the issue at hand does not concern the World Assembly. Just as we ensure that patients have full control over decisions regarding their own healthcare in non-emergency situations, we ought to step in to prevent governments from putting pressure on their subjects in regards to important decisions about their children."

[The Young Ur]

Dear ambassadors,
This proposal, which has the clear intent to help the next generation, could indeed be subverted to harm them both intentionally and unintentionally. Many could be harmed unintentionally through simple mistakes. An example might be something along the lines of a gene found that could supposedly end autism, but also causes some other affliction. But is continued to be used and because “the good outweighs the bad.” Others could be damaged intentionally, but with good aims, in a procedure such as genetic sterilization. While this may seem to benefit the entire species in a case of overpopulation, and by extension, help the victim offspring, this would not be truly beneficial to them. It would be taking something from them that they will never have a chance to experience. Never allowing them to choose whether or not to accept it, this is the heart of the problem: the stealing of the right to choose.

I seem to be only pointing out problems and giving no solutions, so what could be a solution to this? What could be added to this resolution to stop this defacement from becoming a reality? Of course, there’s no way to truly solve this problem, as there is no way to ask the unborn whether or not they would like to be modified. I think the best procedure would be to add a section to this resolution suggesting the creation of an international body. This body, The Board of Certification of Human Gene Manipulations (BCHGM), would be responsible for approving and disapproving the use of various gene manipulations on humans. BCHGM would, before approving or disapproving these techniques, do research using human-like non-sapient creatures (cruelty-free of course) as well as other methods as needed. Once a modification has proven not to adversely affect the quality of life of whatever being it is planned to be used upon and does not to change a creature so drastically that it is not recognizable as it’s base form, then it will be approved and available to be chosen by parents for use on their offspring.

My final issue is that in a medical system that is not entirely socialized, only the rich will be able to use these manipulations. The possibility that this could make the rich not only have a superior income, but could make them physically superior, as well as mental superior, is worthy of concern in of itself. We do not want to be responsible for enabling a race of rich superhumans to dominate and enslave all those who are poorer and weaker. I would think a solution to this would be to create a system of funding that allows a proportionate amount of poor people to rich people to receive these modifications.

[Maowi]

"Ambassador, thank you very much for your thoughts and ideas.

"This proposal aims to prevent the coercion of parents info having their children genetically modified prior to their birth. The exception for governments incentivising the use of genetic modification to treat disorders does not affect the legality of such procedures within your or any other member state; it is merely there to make sure a potentially reasonable and fruitful practice is not banned. The proposal does not rule out any of the measures you suggest, whether on a national or international level; I urge you to seek implementation of the measures you propose within your home nation or even as a separate proposal in the World Assembly if you wish to see such legislation."

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[Honeydewistania]

"Ambassador, thank you very much for your thoughts and ideas.

"This proposal aims to prevent the coercion of parents info having their children genetically modified prior to their birth. The exception for governments incentivising the use of genetic modification to treat disorders does not affect the legality of such procedures within your or any other member state; it is merely there to make sure a potentially reasonable and fruitful practice is not banned. The proposal does not rule out any of the measures you suggest, whether on a national or international level; I urge you to seek implementation of the measures to propose within your home nation or even as a separate proposal in the World Assembly if you wish to see such legislation."

Bruh poggers

[The Young Ur]

"Ambassador, thank you very much for your thoughts and ideas.

"This proposal aims to prevent the coercion of parents info having their children genetically modified prior to their birth. The exception for governments incentivising the use of genetic modification to treat disorders does not affect the legality of such procedures within your or any other member state; it is merely there to make sure a potentially reasonable and fruitful practice is not banned. The proposal does not rule out any of the measures you suggest, whether on a national or international level; I urge you to seek implementation of the measures you propose within your home nation or even as a separate proposal in the World Assembly if you wish to see such legislation."

OOC: edit for a typo

This ambassador feels slightly brushed off, but we will not be petulant. We followed your suggestion instead: Management of Genetic Manipulations.

[Wallenburg]

This is now at Vote.

[Willingdon and Jevington]

It seems to be a niche topic, but I can support this.

[Refuge Isle]

This resolution is pretty short and, I suspect, intentionally so. But there may be some issues with keeping things simplistic when they could be up to different interpretations. At the moment, I'm moderately concerned about the specific wording in clause 1:

1. Forbids member states, or the governments of any political subdivision thereof, from incentivising the genetic modification of any sapient offspring prior to their birth, except for incentivising the remedy or elimination of disorders, disabilities, or diseases;

I would wonder what can be defined as a disorder and screened out. If a nation were able to determine what caused someone to end up being lgbt, could that be considered a disorder that's okay to genetically snip out of your child? It's not clear to me.

[Shoalhaven]

Shoalhaven have reluctantly opposed this proposal. It seemed incoherent and poorly drafted, so, unfortunately, we were not able to support it.

[Lauchenoiria]

While Lauchenoiria is known for its opposition to eugenics, and supports the principle of this proposal, we have voted AGAINST because it simply does not do what it is advertised to do.

To quote clause 1: "1. Forbids member states, or the governments of any political subdivision thereof, from incentivising the genetic modification of any sapient offspring prior to their birth, except for incentivising the remedy or elimination of disorders, disabilities, or diseases" (emphasis our own).

This exception would allow a government to designate something a "disorder" or "disability" if they wished to eliminate it. And there are plenty of communities of people with "disorders" or "disabilities" as commonly labelled in the world today who do not wish for their condition to be changed - I would direct fellow ambassadors to the large volume of writings from members of both the autistic and the deaf community who vehemently oppose the "cure" or elimination of their conditions.

As this proposal stands, it will still allow for eugenics against a number of groups, such as those two named above, and thus the delegation from Lauchenoiria cannot support it as it stands.

[Willingdon and Jevington]

While Lauchenoiria is known for its opposition to eugenics, and supports the principle of this proposal, we have voted AGAINST because it simply does not do what it is advertised to do.

To quote clause 1: "1. Forbids member states, or the governments of any political subdivision thereof, from incentivising the genetic modification of any sapient offspring prior to their birth, except for incentivising the remedy or elimination of disorders, disabilities, or diseases" (emphasis our own).

This exception would allow a government to designate something a "disorder" or "disability" if they wished to eliminate it. And there are plenty of communities of people with "disorders" or "disabilities" as commonly labelled in the world today who do not wish for their condition to be changed - I would direct fellow ambassadors to the large volume of writings from members of both the autistic and the deaf community who vehemently oppose the "cure" or elimination of their conditions.

As this proposal stands, it will still allow for eugenics against a number of groups, such as those two named above, and thus the delegation from Lauchenoiria cannot support it as it stands.

It’s not allowing fully, it’s just allowing governments to create incentives. Besides, I’m not sure why ambassadors want a full ban on eugenics like this, there are also deaf people who’d rather not be deaf. It’s a sticky situation I’m afraid.