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Amerion
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Postby Amerion » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:01 pm

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The South Pacific's World Assembly Delegation has cast the Coalition's vote AGAINST this proposed resolution, Recreational Drugs Compact, and warmly encourages fellow member regions to vote AGAINST.

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Postby Sincluda » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:02 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:
The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the General Assembly Resolution, "Recreational Drugs Compact".
Its reasoning may be found here.

Firstly:
This proposal is a blocker; or a resolution that effectively prevents the World Assembly from legislating on a topic. Blockers only contribute to National Sovereignty, which is what one gives up when joining the World Assembly, and prevent progress by stopping the Assembly from being able to legislate.
Keshiland was the author of the last repeal of GA#2 to reach vote in June 2017. His proposed replacement would at least have given member states authority over "Property laws and Emergency services" - not nothing - and even then, I believe it was lambasted for giving his proposed WA replacement too much power. Blockers, although less commonplace today, are still appropriate for certain highly divisive (or internationally irrelevant) issues. If "progress" is that important a consideration for the government of Sincluda or any member state, they can decriminalise or legalise drugs themselves... or write a resolution requiring all stop signs in the WA to be octogonal.

Your last argument here is still playing the NatSov game. My government does have laws in place for the decriminalization of some drugs. However, the point of the World Assembly is to make these laws internationally abided by. Removing that removes purpose from the Assembly.
Secondly:
In addition, it is plausible that this blocker was created in response to a proposal in drafting that the author disagrees with regarding the decriminalization of drugs as an attempt to stop it.
Outlaw Pedophilia - Goobergunchia's iconic Historical Resolution - was submitted on similar grounds. Was his resolution submitted on a pretext any worse (or better) than mine was? :P

So what of this Historic Resolution? The creation of a proposal designed to cockblock one in drafting is petty, albeit a valid strategy. That's what's going on here. My opinion would probably stay the same on that aspect of other cases.

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Postby Gonswanza » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:15 pm

Holy christ not even 5 hours in and already it's being run into the ground.
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Postby Sincluda » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:17 pm

Gonswanza wrote:Holy christ not even 5 hours in and already it's being run into the ground.

OOC: when all the WALL delegates are online when the res goes to vote

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:18 pm

Sincluda wrote:
Gonswanza wrote:Holy christ not even 5 hours in and already it's being run into the ground.

OOC: when all the WALL delegates are online when the res goes to vote

ALL the WALL delegates? NES and Sanctaria haven't bothered voting yet :P

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Postby WayNeacTia » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:21 pm

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Postby Tsaivao » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:21 pm

Gonswanza wrote:Holy christ not even 5 hours in and already it's being run into the ground.

Tends to happen when useless blockers are put to vote that do nothing but promote the status quo and make it harder on us in the future.
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Postby Gonswanza » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:21 pm

I mean, it's mostly due to the poor writing and sheer lack of content for this resolution, which in spite of the title, is still horribly insufficient to make it even remotely useful. So even if it somehow passed against impossible odds, it would add up to nothing and change nothing. WA wouldn't be able to enforce it effectively, nobody is affected, NS won't be changed, the world goes on and the guy who submitted it gets a shiny badge and extra brownie points until it's repealed by a landslide vote for an aforementioned repeal.
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Postby Texkentuck » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:23 pm

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The President states- Marijuana and THC products are not allowed to be sold in Texkentuck. Our TFS agents do not waste time enforcing such laws on individuals who recreationally use this drug. Drugs that are hard drugs such as cocaine and heroine are outlawed. The TFS Agents in Texkentuck aren't going to take down your growing plant unless it breaks the laws of local ordinances.... If we were to legalize all drug use that would be catastrophic. We allow the drinking of alcohol in our nation and if we legalize all drugs our prisons would fill up more fast because of the disorder it would cause. Our nation finds this proposal entertaining.....

The President leaves the WA with his security detail to fly back to Texkentuck Monarchy Republic Federation on Owl Force One. The President doesn't even state how he voted....

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Postby Kingdom of the Indus » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:24 pm

97.7% have voted against this resolution - I've never seen the World Assembly so united! It brings a tear to my eye...
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Postby Wacka The Mavarrappi » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:27 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
GO AND VOTE
This proposal has been submitted to the General Assembly Social Justice Board.
NOTE: at 1809 BST on the 15th of September 2021, this proposal reached quorum with South Boston Irishmen's approval, the 54th all told.

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Recreational Drugs Compact
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.
Category: Social Justice
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Tinhampton

The General Assembly hereby:
  1. reserves to its member states whether to legalise, decriminalise, or forbid the possession, distribution, growing, use, sale and purchase of drugs for recreational purposes within their jurisdiction,
  2. suggests that members treat paraphernalia used with a certain recreational drug as having the same legal status as that drug, and
  3. urges members to fund or provide addiction recovery services for intensive drug users who sincerely desire them, without fear of punishment for using such services.

Oh now all you people are wanting to restrict my playstyle as being a capitalist, what's your problem man?? let me do what I want to do, If I wanna have income equality and no welfare then I completely have the right to do so.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:29 pm

Wacka The Mavarrappi wrote:Oh now all you people are wanting to restrict my playstyle as being a capitalist, what's your problem man?? let me do what I want to do, If I wanna have income equality and no welfare then I completely have the right to do so.

My proposal won't stop you from being a capitalist :P
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Postby The Python » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:36 pm

Yeah, no. I've elaborated more here, but to quote what I said there:
1) This is a "blocker" and designed to prevent future GA legislation about the topic of recreational drug criminalisation. Therefore, if this passes, the goal of decriminalisation would be impossible without the double effort of repealing this.
2) Its strongest wording besides the blocking clause uses the wording "Urges", meaning that it is completely non-binding. No member-nation, including those that choose to go by the path of criminalisation (which is something I think they shouldn't lol) is forced to provide addiction recovery services, and is just "Urged" to do so, rendering that part useless.
3) It completely lacks a preamble, so it gives no arguments as to why it deserves to pass.
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Postby Kinben-ism » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:44 pm

After a careful review of the GA proposal entitled "Recreational Drugs Compact," we, the delegation of The World Federation, have decided that the proposal is ineligible for a favorable vote in the WA. We highly recommend the a vote against the proposal for the reasoning that the proposal is too short, plain, and open for interpretation. The lack of specification can, in turn, lead to conflicting results, with varying results across individual WA nations.
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Postby Gonswanza » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:53 pm

The upcoming proposal by Honedewstania is far, far better written than this dime-a-dozen blocker, even with it's minor flaws (if any).

It disappoints me how so few words can make it onto a piece of paper better used as kindling than a legally binding document. Speaking of, how the hell did this come to vote anyway?


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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:59 pm

Gonswanza wrote:The upcoming proposal by Honedewstania is far, far better written than this dime-a-dozen blocker, even with it's minor flaws (if any).

It disappoints me how so few words can make it onto a piece of paper better used as kindling than a legally binding document. Speaking of, how the hell did this come to vote anyway?


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Formal Rejection

Postby Aylemao » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:10 pm

"The Nation of Aylemao formally opposes the proposal at vote on the following grounds:

    -The Proposal contains no actual resolutions and is merely suggestions
    -The Proposal, while worded to allow legalization and decriminalization of recreational drugs, it also allows for countries to also continue to criminalize drugs, a proposition we are strictly against.
    -The Proposal, as written, allows for anything that can be used in the consumption of recreational drugs to be considered equal to the drug themselves for the purposes of prosecution in the case of criminalization. This could lead to the wrongful incarceration of many for the mere possession of things like cigarette rolling papers or brownie batter. This is counter to Aylemao's core beliefs.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:24 pm

Gonswanza wrote:The upcoming proposal by Honedewstania is far, far better written than this dime-a-dozen blocker, even with it's minor flaws (if any).

It disappoints me how so few words can make it onto a piece of paper better used as kindling than a legally binding document. Speaking of, how the hell did this come to vote anyway?


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Postby Smooches » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:30 pm

"The 15 year minimum for a pig catching you with a pipe compact does not look like it's going to garner much popularity. I have nothing productive to add to this conversation. Is the security council allowed to condemn a nation for being a tiny baby narc who can't stop coughing after an iddy bitty puff?"
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Postby Unified Communist Councils » Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:35 am

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>The Voices of the Supreme Congress of International Labour Commitees:<



The upper and lower chambers of the Supreme Congress of International Labour Committees have met, reviewed the proposal and have reached a conclusion after a three-hour-long open and free-minded discourse. This proposal has been met with a resounding and unanimous OPPOSITION vote, it is too vague, lacking in any real structure and written to a subpar standard to be worthy of any merit. We highly encourage the notion of revising this proposal to a higher standard of writing.

Regrettably, the World Body of the Proletariat shall remain opposed to this Resolution in the principle of the aforementioned reasons until such changes are implemented. Our W.A delegates highly advise amending brief reasons that support the intended clauses, not to mention it is reasonable to see the redundancies in clause a: "reserves to its member states whether to legalise, decriminalise, or forbid the possession, distribution, growing, use, sale and purchase of drugs for recreational purposes within their jurisdiction." We argue that many member states de-facto reserve and practice upon such a right, so clause a should be edited to take those considerations into account and address them. Finally, our delegates endorse the implementation of sub-clauses (At least 2), expanding upon Clause B as it is open to abuse in the way it is currently described.
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Postby Sojenre » Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:38 am

I've been a (non-continuous) member of the WA for almost 6 years and this is one of the worst resolutions I have ever seen at vote; totally lacking in substance, an absurd equivalence between paraphernalia and drugs, and achieving absolutely nothing. Firmly against.

It seems totally unnecessary for this to serve as a blocker when GA#90 effectively achieved this, so I'm not sure what the author was intending to be novel within this resolution.
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Postby Axmanlandia » Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:43 am

The axmanlandiain representative rises from the petal filled scented water of his walrus jacuzzi his drug injector pack audibly thrumming as it responds to his fury by dumping stimulants directly into his bloodstream

"This kind of reactionary attitude typical of those who are determined to strip the prolitariat of the right to internal chemical freedom"

"In axmanlandia all psychogenic substances are unstigmatised and free at the point of delivery"

"It's enshrined in our Constitution that every axmanlandian citizen has the right to "get so ball achingly high the have long meaningful "conversations with their dog"

"We of axmanlandia spit upon this legislation ...... well we would but we have cotton mouth right now but our vote has been cast against"

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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:36 am

You know..... Very few things in life are going to come back and bite the author as squarely on the ass as this is going to. Tin in all her glory just happened to blab that she "always supported the repeal of unnecessary resolutions", yet for some inexplicable reason decides to push to vote the most useless resolution that I have ever had the privilege of watching burn.
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Postby Abacathea » Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:29 am

Wayneactia wrote:You know..... Very few things in life are going to come back and bite the author as squarely on the ass as this is going to. Tin in all her glory just happened to blab that she "always supported the repeal of unnecessary resolutions", yet for some inexplicable reason decides to push to vote the most useless resolution that I have ever had the privilege of watching burn.


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Postby Caymarnia » Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:03 am

While the concept of leaving the decision regarding the legalization or prohibition of recreational narcotics to the member states may sound ideal, the members of our National Council of the People's Will find the idea of deciding such a hotbed issue with a mere three sentences, worded to be open to virtually any kind of interpretation, to be laughable in the extreme.

Following this afternoon's unanimous vote by the Council, Caymarnia adds its vote against the measure.
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