by The Nation of the People of the Nation » Sat May 16, 2020 2:04 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Sat May 16, 2020 3:05 pm
by Atheris » Sat May 16, 2020 3:06 pm
by Astrobolt » Sat May 16, 2020 3:25 pm
by Maowi » Sat May 16, 2020 3:31 pm
Astrobolt wrote:OOC: I'm not seeing a contradiction. #399 allows the WA to intervene in order to "prevent firearms from being sold to or used by individuals that pose a danger of performing imminent lawless action." I would make the case that allowing domestic abusers to have firearms means that there is still of danger of imminent lawless action, as firearms can be used in domestic incidents.
by Imperium Anglorum » Sat May 16, 2020 3:33 pm
by Maowi » Sat May 16, 2020 3:53 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:It's not imminent.
by Kenmoria » Sat May 16, 2020 4:23 pm
Maowi wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:It's not imminent.
OOC: I'd argue that in many cases it would be imminent. I guess it's complicated because in many ways the exact risk level of reoffending depends on the efficacy of the member state's punitive or rehabilitative systems, but I think having the status of a convicted domestic abuser would be sufficient cause for being in danger of performing imminent lawless action. Otherwise, I'm not sure what would qualify as being in danger of performing imminent lawless action.
by Astrobolt » Sat May 16, 2020 8:04 pm
The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:Hereby;
1. Defines a "Convicted Domestic Abuser" as any legal person convicted of abusing, neglecting, or otherwise significantly harming members of their family, including but not limited to, spouses, children, parents, as well as other dependents and partners.
2. Prohibits any legal entity from selling a firearm to a convicted domestic abuser.
by The Nation of the People of the Nation » Sun May 17, 2020 6:59 am
Astrobolt wrote:The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:Hereby;
1. Defines a "Convicted Domestic Abuser" as any legal person convicted of abusing, neglecting, or otherwise significantly harming members of their family, including but not limited to, spouses, children, parents, as well as other dependents and partners.
2. Prohibits any legal entity from selling a firearm to a convicted domestic abuser.
OOC: Clause two should have 'convicted domestic abuser' all in caps order to match the definition clause.
by Bananaistan » Sun May 17, 2020 7:09 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:GA 399 "Assures member nations of the exclusive right to determine purely internal arms trading and firearm policy, excepting: ... [among other things] future regulations which seek to prevent firearms from being sold to or used by individuals that pose a danger of performing imminent lawless action."
by The Nation of the People of the Nation » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:09 pm
by Tinhampton » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:54 pm
by Desmosthenes and Burke » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:26 pm
The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:Bumping this due to discussion in this thread that clause 5 might have no effect. I plan on moving ahead in the near term.
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