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[DRAFT] Against Further Domestic Abuse

Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Sat May 16, 2020 2:04 pm

The World Assembly;

WORRIED that no legislation exists to prevent those who carry out domestic abuse from owning a firearm.

CONCERNED that they might use them to carry out further abuse.

ACKNOWLEDGING that firearms regulations can be contentious national issues.

FINDING that there are no rational reasons for those convicted of domestic abuse to be able to own a firearm.

RESOLVED that domestic abusers should not be able to possess or purchase a firearm.

Hereby;

1. Defines a "Convicted Domestic Abuser" as any legal person convicted of abusing, neglecting, or otherwise significantly harming members of their family, including but not limited to, spouses, children, parents, as well as other dependents and partners.

2. Prohibits any legal entity from selling a firearm to a Convicted Domestic Abuser.

3. Mandates that member nations remove firearms from the possession of those convicted of domestic abuse.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat May 16, 2020 3:05 pm

GA 399 "Assures member nations of the exclusive right to determine purely internal arms trading and firearm policy, excepting: ... [among other things] future regulations which seek to prevent firearms from being sold to or used by individuals that pose a danger of performing imminent lawless action."

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Postby Atheris » Sat May 16, 2020 3:06 pm

Like IA said, there's a problem in this with GA#399.
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Postby Astrobolt » Sat May 16, 2020 3:25 pm

OOC: I'm not seeing a contradiction. #399 allows the WA to intervene in order to "prevent firearms from being sold to or used by individuals that pose a danger of performing imminent lawless action." I would make the case that allowing domestic abusers to have firearms means that there is still of danger of imminent lawless action, as firearms can be used in domestic incidents.
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Postby Maowi » Sat May 16, 2020 3:31 pm

Astrobolt wrote:OOC: I'm not seeing a contradiction. #399 allows the WA to intervene in order to "prevent firearms from being sold to or used by individuals that pose a danger of performing imminent lawless action." I would make the case that allowing domestic abusers to have firearms means that there is still of danger of imminent lawless action, as firearms can be used in domestic incidents.

OOC: This is my thinking too - this would seem to me exactly the sort of thing the GAR 399 exception is supposed to cover.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat May 16, 2020 3:33 pm

It's not imminent.

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Postby Maowi » Sat May 16, 2020 3:53 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:It's not imminent.

OOC: I'd argue that in many cases it would be imminent. I guess it's complicated because in many ways the exact risk level of reoffending depends on the efficacy of the member state's punitive or rehabilitative systems, but I think having the status of a convicted domestic abuser would be sufficient cause for being in danger of performing imminent lawless action. Otherwise, I'm not sure what would qualify as being in danger of performing imminent lawless action.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat May 16, 2020 4:23 pm

Maowi wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:It's not imminent.

OOC: I'd argue that in many cases it would be imminent. I guess it's complicated because in many ways the exact risk level of reoffending depends on the efficacy of the member state's punitive or rehabilitative systems, but I think having the status of a convicted domestic abuser would be sufficient cause for being in danger of performing imminent lawless action. Otherwise, I'm not sure what would qualify as being in danger of performing imminent lawless action.

(OOC: Although it may be imminent in a lot of cases, I would argue that the danger would not be imminent in the vast majority. Of convicted domestic abusers, most would hopefully no longer be in a situation in which domestic abuse would be possible, in which case lawless action would not be considered imminent.

Imminent lawless action would be a situation where a gun was sold to a domestic abuser, who is currently perpetrating domestic abuse against someone. If a domestic abuser has been convicted, that would presumably no longer be the case.)
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Postby Astrobolt » Sat May 16, 2020 8:04 pm

The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:Hereby;

1. Defines a "Convicted Domestic Abuser" as any legal person convicted of abusing, neglecting, or otherwise significantly harming members of their family, including but not limited to, spouses, children, parents, as well as other dependents and partners.

2. Prohibits any legal entity from selling a firearm to a convicted domestic abuser.


OOC: Clause two should have 'convicted domestic abuser' all in caps order to match the definition clause.
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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Sun May 17, 2020 6:59 am

Astrobolt wrote:
The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:Hereby;

1. Defines a "Convicted Domestic Abuser" as any legal person convicted of abusing, neglecting, or otherwise significantly harming members of their family, including but not limited to, spouses, children, parents, as well as other dependents and partners.

2. Prohibits any legal entity from selling a firearm to a convicted domestic abuser.


OOC: Clause two should have 'convicted domestic abuser' all in caps order to match the definition clause.


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Postby Bananaistan » Sun May 17, 2020 7:09 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:GA 399 "Assures member nations of the exclusive right to determine purely internal arms trading and firearm policy, excepting: ... [among other things] future regulations which seek to prevent firearms from being sold to or used by individuals that pose a danger of performing imminent lawless action."


OOC: My 1/6 gensec view is that this is correct. As currently stated the proposal contradicts GAR#399.
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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:09 pm

Bumping this due to discussion in this thread that clause 5 might have no effect. I plan on moving ahead in the near term.

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Tinhampton continues to remain opposed to any international legislation that requires "gun grabs" for any reason.
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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:26 pm

The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:Bumping this due to discussion in this thread that clause 5 might have no effect. I plan on moving ahead in the near term.


If you read a little further in that thread, at least 1 member of GenSec states you still need to comply with section 5 and this draft is therefore, probably still illegal.
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