[SUBMITTED] Ban on Compulsory Minority Registries

[Tvars]

Category: Civil Rights

Strength: Significant

The General Assembly,

RECOGNIZING the need for some nations to possess information on its citizens and issue compulsory documents for the purpose of identification;

However,

ALARMED at the rapid escalations of divisions and violence based on ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, and other factors;

APPALLED at the willingness of nations to do nothing to combat against, or in extreme cases, to facilitate these aforementioned divisions;

CONCERNED that the compulsory collection of data pertaining to ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation could be used to further discriminatory practices against minorities in any of these categories;

Hereby:

PROHIBITS
1. the creation and use of compulsory registries made specifically for identification of any given ethnic or religious minority or on the basis of sexual orientation,
2. the mandatory inclusion of ethnic, religious, and sexual orientation data in any census or compulsory identification documents;

REAFFIRMS that this resolution in no way completely prohibits the collection of data pertaining to the aforementioned categories, and such data may be collected at the discretion of whomever the data is collected from;

URGES WA member nations to attempt to halt any escalations of the aforementioned divisions or violence occurring within their territory.

SECOND DRAFT:

Category: Civil Rights

Strength: Significant

The General Assembly,

RECOGNIZING the need for nations to possess information on its citizens and issue compulsory documents for the purpose of identification;

However,

ALARMED at the rapid rise of divisions and violence based on ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, and other factors;

APPALLED at the willingness of nations to do nothing to combat, or in extreme cases, to facilitate these aforementioned divisions;

CONCERNED that the compulsory collection of data pertaining to ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation could be used to further discriminatory practices against minorities in any of these categories;

Hereby:

PROHIBITS
1. the creation and use of compulsory national registries made specifically for any given ethnic or religious minority or on the basis of sexual orientation,
2. the mandatory inclusion of ethnic, religious, and sexual orientation data in any national census or compulsory identification documents;

REAFFIRMS that this resolution in no way completely prohibits the collection of data pertaining to the aforementioned categories, and such data may be collected at the discretion of whomever the data is collected from;

URGES WA member nations to attempt to halt any escalations of the aforementioned divisions or violence occurring within their territory.

[Corporatist Union]

Support the first prohibition, opposed to the second prohibition.

(OOC: this is Tinhampton btw - can't be bothered to switch accounts from my first raid with The Black Hawks!)

[Araraukar]

Category: Civil Rights

Strength: Significant

The General Assembly,

RECOGNIZING the need for some nations to possess information on its citizens and issue compulsory documents for the purpose of identification;

However,

ALARMED at the rapid escalations of divisions and violence based on ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, and other factors;

APPALLED at the willingness of nations to do nothing to combat against, or in extreme cases, to facilitate these aforementioned divisions;

CONCERNED that the compulsory collection of data pertaining to ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation could be used to further discriminatory practices against minorities in any of these categories;

Hereby:

PROHIBITS
1. the creation and use of compulsory registries made specifically for identification of any given ethnic or religious minority or on the basis of sexual orientation,
2. the mandatory inclusion of ethnic, religious, and sexual orientation data in any census or compulsory identification documents;

REAFFIRMS that this resolution in no way completely prohibits the collection of data pertaining to the aforementioned categories, and such data may be collected at the discretion of whomever the data is collected from;

URGES WA member nations to attempt to halt any escalations of the aforementioned divisions or violence occurring within their territory.

IC: "If you fear that such information could be used wrongly, you should focus on the use of the information, and information safety, instead of the information being collected in the first place. Certainly in Araraukar, if you want to benefit from your minority status in some way, you have to be registered to belong to the minority in the first place."

OOC: I kind of get what you're going for, but you'd be forbidding churches to keep registries of their congregations, unless the majority of the inhabitants in the WA nation belonged to that church. You'd also make it impossible for RL natives (think Australian or American natives, or the Sami or Roma in Europe) to be registered as such, which would mean they would lose the kinds of benefits they are eligible for exactly because they are a member of a recognized minority.

Good intentions, badly executed. I don't know if they can be well executed, but I suggest thinking about what the real problem is, and considering that the existence of a register is not it.

[Wallenburg]

Category: Civil Rights

Strength: Significant

The General Assembly,

RECOGNIZING the need for some nations to possess information on its citizens and issue compulsory documents for the purpose of identification;

However,

ALARMED at the rapid escalations of divisions and violence based on ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, and other factors;

APPALLED at the willingness of nations to do nothing to combat against, or in extreme cases, to facilitate these aforementioned divisions;

CONCERNED that the compulsory collection of data pertaining to ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation could be used to further discriminatory practices against minorities in any of these categories;

Hereby:

PROHIBITS
1. the creation and use of compulsory registries made specifically for identification of any given ethnic or religious minority or on the basis of sexual orientation,
2. the mandatory inclusion of ethnic, religious, and sexual orientation data in any census or compulsory identification documents;

REAFFIRMS that this resolution in no way completely prohibits the collection of data pertaining to the aforementioned categories, and such data may be collected at the discretion of whomever the data is collected from;

URGES WA member nations to attempt to halt any escalations of the aforementioned divisions or violence occurring within their territory.

IC: "If you fear that such information could be used wrongly, you should focus on the use of the information, and information safety, instead of the information being collected in the first place. Certainly in Araraukar, if you want to benefit from your minority status in some way, you have to be registered to belong to the minority in the first place."

OOC: I kind of get what you're going for, but you'd be forbidding churches to keep registries of their congregations, unless the majority of the inhabitants in the WA nation belonged to that church. You'd also make it impossible for RL natives (think Australian or American natives, or the Sami or Roma in Europe) to be registered as such, which would mean they would lose the kinds of benefits they are eligible for exactly because they are a member of a recognized minority.

Good intentions, badly executed. I don't know if they can be well executed, but I suggest thinking about what the real problem is, and considering that the existence of a register is not it.

You need to reread the proposal. It bans compulsory registration of these data. It doesn't ban registries wholesale. You can collect data on these categories with the consent of those registered. You can also collect other information without their consent.

Also, church membership is not covered in this proposal.

[Tvars]

IC: "If you fear that such information could be used wrongly, you should focus on the use of the information, and information safety, instead of the information being collected in the first place. Certainly in Araraukar, if you want to benefit from your minority status in some way, you have to be registered to belong to the minority in the first place."

OOC: I kind of get what you're going for, but you'd be forbidding churches to keep registries of their congregations, unless the majority of the inhabitants in the WA nation belonged to that church. You'd also make it impossible for RL natives (think Australian or American natives, or the Sami or Roma in Europe) to be registered as such, which would mean they would lose the kinds of benefits they are eligible for exactly because they are a member of a recognized minority.

Good intentions, badly executed. I don't know if they can be well executed, but I suggest thinking about what the real problem is, and considering that the existence of a register is not it.

You need to reread the proposal. It bans compulsory registration of these data. It doesn't ban registries wholesale. You can collect data on these categories with the consent of those registered. You can also collect other information without their consent.

Also, church membership is not covered in this proposal.

Exactly.

[Kenmoria]

“I’ve put some feedback on the draft in red.”

Category: Civil Rights

Strength: Significant

The General Assembly,

RECOGNIZING the need for some nations to possess information on its citizens and issue compulsory documents for the purpose of identification; I would go for just ‘nations’ rather than ‘some nations’, since I can’t imagine a nation going very far without possessing any form of information on its citizens.

However,

ALARMED at the rapid escalations of divisions and violence based on ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, and other factors; I think this would best be described as a ‘rapid rise’ rather than ‘rapid escalations’.

APPALLED at the willingness of nations to do nothing to combat against, or in extreme cases, to facilitate these aforementioned divisions; ‘Combat against’ is tautology, since combatting is inherently against something. You could just have ‘combat’.

CONCERNED that the compulsory collection of data pertaining to ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation could be used to further discriminatory practices against minorities in any of these categories;

Hereby:

PROHIBITS
1. the creation and use of compulsory registries made specifically for identification of any given ethnic or religious minority or on the basis of sexual orientation, I would expand this to cover the creation and use of all compulsory registries that cover these minority groups, regardless of whether they were made specifically for that purpose.
2. the mandatory inclusion of ethnic, religious, and sexual orientation data in any census or compulsory identification documents; This is a rather contentious clause. There are a lot of governments that might require this data in order to address social problems or issues.

REAFFIRMS that this resolution in no way completely prohibits the collection of data pertaining to the aforementioned categories, and such data may be collected at the discretion of whomever the data is collected from;

URGES WA member nations to attempt to halt any escalations of the aforementioned divisions or violence occurring within their territory.

[Tvars]

“I’ve put some feedback on the draft in red.”

Category: Civil Rights

Strength: Significant

The General Assembly,

RECOGNIZING the need for some nations to possess information on its citizens and issue compulsory documents for the purpose of identification; I would go for just ‘nations’ rather than ‘some nations’, since I can’t imagine a nation going very far without possessing any form of information on its citizens.

However,

ALARMED at the rapid escalations of divisions and violence based on ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, and other factors; I think this would best be described as a ‘rapid rise’ rather than ‘rapid escalations’.

APPALLED at the willingness of nations to do nothing to combat against, or in extreme cases, to facilitate these aforementioned divisions; ‘Combat against’ is tautology, since combatting is inherently against something. You could just have ‘combat’.

CONCERNED that the compulsory collection of data pertaining to ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation could be used to further discriminatory practices against minorities in any of these categories;

Hereby:

PROHIBITS
1. the creation and use of compulsory registries made specifically for identification of any given ethnic or religious minority or on the basis of sexual orientation, I would expand this to cover the creation and use of all compulsory registries that cover these minority groups, regardless of whether they were made specifically for that purpose.
2. the mandatory inclusion of ethnic, religious, and sexual orientation data in any census or compulsory identification documents; This is a rather contentious clause. There are a lot of governments that might require this data in order to address social problems or issues.

REAFFIRMS that this resolution in no way completely prohibits the collection of data pertaining to the aforementioned categories, and such data may be collected at the discretion of whomever the data is collected from;

URGES WA member nations to attempt to halt any escalations of the aforementioned divisions or violence occurring within their territory.

Thank you for the feedback! I'll be sure to make some edits. In regards to the last point however, I felt that it needed to be included to prevent any loopholes. Since the first prohibition covers on minority registries, a government could theoretically make everyone register and then single out any minority group of their choosing which could in turn bypass the goal of preventing discriminatory practices here. That's why I specifically let residents choose if the data were to be collected, so that they could refuse if they felt in danger and identifying themselves could put them at risk, but still allow them to claim that identity if they so chose.

[Araraukar]

You need to reread the proposal. It bans compulsory registration of these data.

OOC: And "compulsory" means "your consent is not asked". My point stands. If you are a member of a minority and want minority benefits, you need to be registered as a member of minority, even if you didn't consent to being registered as one. Unless your point is that states can make it "if you want any services/citizenship/whatever, you agree to being in this register", in which case the proposal is not significant strength.

Also, church membership is not covered in this proposal.

Except it is, with "PROHIBITS ... the creation and use of compulsory registries made specifically for identification of any ... religious minority", when said church is a religious minority. "Compulsory" is a good way to define how children are usually made part of the church when they're too young to talk, not to mention having the capacity to consent to such. Also, most (if not all) churches make being part of their registry compulsory to be counted as a member of the church.

[Tvars]

You need to reread the proposal. It bans compulsory registration of these data.

OOC: And "compulsory" means "your consent is not asked". My point stands. If you are a member of a minority and want minority benefits, you need to be registered as a member of minority, even if you didn't consent to being registered as one. Unless your point is that states can make it "if you want any services/citizenship/whatever, you agree to being in this register", in which case the proposal is not significant strength.

Also, church membership is not covered in this proposal.

Except it is, with "PROHIBITS ... the creation and use of compulsory registries made specifically for identification of any ... religious minority", when said church is a religious minority. "Compulsory" is a good way to define how children are usually made part of the church when they're too young to talk, not to mention having the capacity to consent to such. Also, most (if not all) churches make being part of their registry compulsory to be counted as a member of the church.

The point is that people agree to be in registers if they choose. How does that make it not significant?

Also, unless the minority church is a governmental agency, this proposal does nothing of the sort. This purely covers governmental registries.

[The New Nordic Union]

Also, unless the minority church is a governmental agency, this proposal does nothing of the sort. This purely covers governmental registries.

OOC: This is not stated in the proposal, however. If you want it to apply only to governmental registries, write it in.

[Araraukar]

Also, unless the minority church is a governmental agency, this proposal does nothing of the sort. This purely covers governmental registries.

OOC: This is not stated in the proposal, however. If you want it to apply only to governmental registries, write it in.

OOC: And if that is the intention, then the WHY becomes even more important. Why is a state registry a problem? Isn't it wrong people getting their hands on the information in the registry that can create the issues? The WA nations themselves are already banned from discriminating based on the qualities given, by CoCR.

[Ashaie]

CONCERNED that the compulsory collection of data pertaining to ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation could be used to further discriminatory practices against minorities in any of these categories;

Hereby:
PROHIBITS
[...]
2. the mandatory inclusion of ethnic, religious, and sexual orientation data in any national census or compulsory identification documents;

"While I appreciate the sentiment, where is the issue with mandatory inclusion of ethnic, religious, and sexual orientation data for the purpose of a national census or compulsory documents, when there is already WA law asserting the right to not be discriminated against on any of these bases? This proposal is unnecessarily restrictive, Opposed."

OOC, EDIT: This is [SUBMITTED] now, seeing as I got a telegram about it.

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: This was submitted. Because of this, you should alter the [DRAFT] tag to a [SUBMITTED] tag, in order to make this clear. However, I think there is still work that can be done to improve the legislation, so recommend returning this to the drafting stage.)

[Tvars]

(OOC: This was submitted. Because of this, you should alter the [DRAFT] tag to a [SUBMITTED] tag, in order to make this clear. However, I think there is still work that can be done to improve the legislation, so recommend returning this to the drafting stage.)

I'd rather just wait this one out for payment reasons. I want to be sure to have enough stamps to send telegrams to all delegates, but as I'm a minor with no way to pay for it myself, it complicates matters. I'll just leave it there as it probably won't get enough support to go to vote and improve and submit again at a later date.

[Araraukar]

Ban on compulsory minority registries

Category: Civil Rights
Strength: Significant

The General Assembly,

RECOGNIZING the need for nations to possess information on its citizens and issue compulsory documents for the purpose of identification;

However,

ALARMED at the rapid rise of divisions and violence based on ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, and other factors;

APPALLED at the willingness of nations to do nothing to combat, or in extreme cases, to facilitate these aforementioned divisions;

CONCERNED that the compulsory collection of data pertaining to ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation could be used to further discriminatory practices against minorities in any of these categories;

Hereby:

PROHIBITS
1. the creation and use of compulsory national registries made specifically for any given ethnic or religious minority or on the basis of sexual orientation,
2. the mandatory inclusion of ethnic, religious, and sexual orientation data in any national census or compulsory identification documents;

REAFFIRMS that this resolution in no way completely prohibits the collection of data pertaining to the aforementioned categories, and such data may be collected at the discretion of whomever the data is collected from;

URGES WA member nations to attempt to halt any escalations of the aforementioned divisions or violence occurring within their territory.

OOC: The loopholes that were identified for you, still exist. The reasons and clarifications you gave for this in the thread, were not added before submission.

[Tinhampton]

(OOC: This was submitted. Because of this, you should alter the [DRAFT] tag to a [SUBMITTED] tag, in order to make this clear. However, I think there is still work that can be done to improve the legislation, so recommend returning this to the drafting stage.)

I'd rather just wait this one out for payment reasons. I want to be sure to have enough stamps to send telegrams to all delegates, but as I'm a minor with no way to pay for it myself, it complicates matters. I'll just leave it there as it probably won't get enough support to go to vote and improve and submit again at a later date.

For future reference, campaigning does not have to cost money. Agreed with Ara above, however.