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Sierra Lyricalia
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:19 pm

Sperio wrote:Is there an existing WA resolution about state sponsored violation of human rights?


There are several that prohibit various forms of it. I don't think many of them mention "human rights" by name, other than the listed category (Human Rights is now listed as Civil Rights to better differentiate it from Furtherment of Democracy). You'll pretty much need to do a keyword search for particular kinds of rights violations, and have a look at GA Res. #9, #35, #38, and others. See "Extant Resolutions" link in my signature.
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North Dalibencot
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Postby North Dalibencot » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:40 am

Can I make a resolution to get rid of the Security Council?

Read MikesWills dispatch about disapproval towards the SC.
It has a lot of good points.

How to become a Secretariat of SC or GA?

Long term goals...
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Bears Armed
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:55 am

North Dalibencot wrote:Can I make a resolution to get rid of the Security Council?

Read MikesWills dispatch about disapproval towards the SC.
It has a lot of good points.

How to become a Secretariat of SC or GA?

Long term goals...

No.
The GA can NOT affect Game Mechanics.. and even mentioning the SC in a GA proposal would (under current rulings) make that illegal for Meta-gaming, too.
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:45 pm

North Dalibencot wrote:How to become a Secretariat of SC or GA?

Long term goals...

Moderators are effectively the Secretariat of the Security Council. The General Assembly has 6 community members that operate as its Secretariat. If you have an end goal of becoming an SC Moderator or a member of GenSec, then you most likely are not a suitable candidate. These positions are not meant for their members to exercise power to achieve specific goals, but for members to adhere to existing rules in order to perform a necessary function.

If instead you mean the Secretary-General, I'm afraid Caelapes keeps that title for life, unless site leadership decides they want to use that mechanic as something other than a one-time April Fool's joke.
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United American Regions
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Postby United American Regions » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:29 pm

If my proposal fails to get enough approvals, can I submit it again?

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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:43 pm

United American Regions wrote:If my proposal fails to get enough approvals, can I submit it again?

Yes
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Azlaake
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Postby Azlaake » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:37 pm

Soooooooo... What does the World Assembly do? And is it true that Max Barry was sued by the UN for calling the WA the UN and using their logo in 2007?

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Postby Wrapper » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:57 pm

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And, not exactly sued, but Max was issued a cease and desist letter.

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Postby Jocospor » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:40 am

OOC: I'm wondering if a clause like this in a resolution would be legal:

"Furthermore, urges this World Assembly not to be deterred in its objective judgement come what may opposing this repeal."
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:57 am

Jocospor wrote:OOC: I'm wondering if a clause like this in a resolution would be legal:

"Furthermore, urges this World Assembly not to be deterred in its objective judgement come what may opposing this repeal."

This thread is automatically OOC. Ruling on a single sentence is impossible, since much depends on what's around it. Post the draft on this forum and we can provide you feedback. :)
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Postby New Bremerton » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:22 am

Not sure if this thread is the right place, but I've been thinking about withdrawing my main nation from the WA and creating a puppet solely to exchange regional endorsements and vote on WA resolutions. The reason behind it is so that my main nation is able to circumvent GA resolutions that it ICly and I OOCly disagree with while still being able to directly influence WA policy. I've noticed other players such as Wallenburg and Kenmoria doing this.

Wallenburg has already responded as follows:

My short-lived WA puppet existed solely to gather enough endorsements to submit proposals. At no time did Wallenburg alter its compliance status as a result of my puppet. Just because some people find it a lazy, easy out from complying with resolutions they disagree with doesn't mean I RP'ed any change in the WA status of my main nation.


As for Kenmoria, this is what his Factbook has to say:

Despite not being a WA member, Kenmoria has a policy of implementing World Assembly legislation into its laws. This is due to Kenmoria not wishing to have unwieldy restrictions upon its politics or its democracy being contradicted, but still agrees with nearly all resolutions being passed. As a necessary result of this Kenmoria has not received any formal endorsements recognised by the body as it would be unable to use them. However several nations have informally given their support. In addition, there exists the Kenmorian WA mission, which has commented hundreds of times on proposals and votes on them regularly, recieving many endorsements.


Is there any way to pull this off in a way that isn't considered bad RP and in poor form?
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:05 am

Straight up non-compliance, justified by some "WA mission" puppet is, in my opinion, inherently poor form.
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Bears Armed
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:16 am

Bears Armed still complies with those resolutions that it constitutionally can, except where that would give a unilateral advantage to WA member nations.
The problem which led to its replacement in the WA by Bears Armed Mission is that it's a confederation whose constitution (which was defined well before it got seriously involved with the WA, and which I can't see much IC support for changing significantly) limits the scope of the central government's jurisdiction, and even the amendment which initially allowed that central government to join the WA & ratify resolutions -- which was only the ninth amendment, IIRC, in over two centuries of history -- still blocked it from ratifying any resolutions that contradicted a qualified majority of the confederation member-groups' own laws... whereas too many resolutions assume that all member nations have centralised governments which can over-ride local decisions.
It does, by the way, have a policy of not using the Mission to promote proposals/resolutions which the main nation would be unable to follow.
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Our population is approximately 20 million. We do have a national government, although its role is strictly limited. Economy = thriving. Those aren't "biker gangs", they're our traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies'... and are generally respected, not feared.
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Oneyozene
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Postby Oneyozene » Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:47 am

United American Regions wrote:If my proposal fails to get enough approvals, can I submit it again?

Of course, you can.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:30 pm

Question: If I moved my only WA nation to my own region where I keep my puppet nations could that nation become the regions WA Delegate?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:38 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:Question: If I moved my only WA nation to my own region where I keep my puppet nations could that nation become the regions WA Delegate?

Delegates need at least one endorsement.
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:33 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Question: If I moved my only WA nation to my own region where I keep my puppet nations could that nation become the regions WA Delegate?

Delegates need at least one endorsement.

This. And keep in mind the one player, one WA nation rule.
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Postby Kostrorleauny » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:31 pm

I was wondering, and this is coming from someone who’s a soon-to-be Security Council author, but as an aspiring General Assembly author and first-timer how is it that I can better find a good, original topic to write a resolution on?

The Security Council has always been known to me, as a lot of its operations are tied to NationStates GamePlay. But I never was one to pay too much attention to stats or the like, so this would be new territory for me if I begin work on a General Assembly resolution.
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Postby Borovan3 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:39 pm

Kostrorleauny wrote:I was wondering, and this is coming from someone who’s a soon-to-be Security Council author, but as an aspiring General Assembly author and first-timer how is it that I can better find a good, original topic to write a resolution on?

The Security Council has always been known to me, as a lot of its operations are tied to NationStates GamePlay. But I never was one to pay too much attention to stats or the like, so this would be new territory for me if I begin work on a General Assembly resolution.

The GA isn't really on stats. It's on crafting a international resolution beneficial to WA members like regulation or freedom. We have resolutions passed you can look at so you won't duplicate what's already passed if you have an idea. The first step is to have an idea of topical interest and lay out the preamble andwhat the proposal should require WA members to do.

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Postby Kostrorleauny » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:43 pm

Borovan3 wrote:
Kostrorleauny wrote:I was wondering, and this is coming from someone who’s a soon-to-be Security Council author, but as an aspiring General Assembly author and first-timer how is it that I can better find a good, original topic to write a resolution on?

The Security Council has always been known to me, as a lot of its operations are tied to NationStates GamePlay. But I never was one to pay too much attention to stats or the like, so this would be new territory for me if I begin work on a General Assembly resolution.

The GA isn't really on stats. It's on crafting a international resolution beneficial to WA members like regulation or freedom. We have resolutions passed you can look at so you won't duplicate what's already passed if you have an idea. The first step is to have an idea of topical interest and lay out the preamble andwhat the proposal should require WA members to do.

That’s another thing I have noticed, actually. Whereas with the Security Council you can easily check up on whether a nation or region has received commendation/condemnation distinguishnent you cannot do the same in the General Assembly with resolutions.

In fact, considering the greater amount of General Assembly resolutions that have been written when compared to Security Council, the chances of overlap in content on said regulations is exponentially greater it seems. How can I curb this? Not writing a repeal, but writing something original.
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Postby Borovan3 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:05 am

Kostrorleauny wrote:
Borovan3 wrote:The GA isn't really on stats. It's on crafting a international resolution beneficial to WA members like regulation or freedom. We have resolutions passed you can look at so you won't duplicate what's already passed if you have an idea. The first step is to have an idea of topical interest and lay out the preamble andwhat the proposal should require WA members to do.

That’s another thing I have noticed, actually. Whereas with the Security Council you can easily check up on whether a nation or region has received commendation/condemnation distinguishnent you cannot do the same in the General Assembly with resolutions.

In fact, considering the greater amount of General Assembly resolutions that have been written when compared to Security Council, the chances of overlap in content on said regulations is exponentially greater it seems. How can I curb this? Not writing a repeal, but writing something original.

No one is going to read every passed resolution so one way is just go with your idea proposal and wait until someone says if it duplicates a resolution or focus on a niche or specialized topic. However the list can be exhaustive so you might get frustration from multiple attempts at writing drafts if unlucky

But to prevent that, you can search at key words from the passed resolutions if this idea is already done. If I was doing a proposal on regulating food safety, I'll search and do ctrl+f on words like safety and food if a resolution title mentions it. If there is one you can read briefly read if it duplicates or contradiction. If not likely theres no duplication.
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Postby Araraukar » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:44 am

Borovan3 wrote:If not likely theres no duplication.

Or it's buried under a different keyword. The forum's basic search function is pretty simple (like, say, not recognizing that "abuse" is part of the word "abused") and doesn't handle complexities well. And that's in addition to there just being many different ways of saying things.

The best bet is to write up a proposal frame with the basic idea (you can leave preamble out at first) and put in clauses what you'd like to do with it. Then people can come in and tell you if something has already been done (or forbidden, which is equally likely), and likely which resolution does so.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:56 pm

IA also supports a list of active resolutions sorted by category, which can be useful if you know what GA category your proposal idea would go under.
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Postby The blAAtschApen » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:17 am

I see I can read the Secretariat Archive. Am I supposed to see that? Do other regular forum members see it too?
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:36 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:I see I can read the Secretariat Archive. Am I supposed to see that? Do other regular forum members see it too?


Yeah, the Archive is public, to let the community see our thinking and how we come up with legality rulings. If you could still see the private forum even after being de-modded, that would be something to fix.
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