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Kand Sovi
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My question on a health area

Postby Kand Sovi » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:09 pm

What are bioethics, as an area of effect in the health category?

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Sierra Lyricalia
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:12 pm

Kand Sovi wrote:What are bioethics, as an area of effect in the health category?


Proposal Rules wrote:Bioethics: Just because escaped superbugs might cause one or two silly little epidemics somewhere unimportant, people are being scared into putting the brakes on Science! You say it's setting ethical international standards for healthcare and research. I say it's the free individual's civil rights freedoms being chipped away by the nanny state!


In other words, science spending is reduced for moral reasons. Definitely not what you're going for in any of your publicly posted drafts or submitted proposals.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:26 pm

Kand Sovi wrote:What are bioethics, as an area of effect in the health category?

Informed consent laws, malpractice laws, testing drugs for harmful side effects, etc.
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Kand Sovi
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Postby Kand Sovi » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:23 am

Just last week, one of my proposals was legal when I wrote my proposal a second time when submitted for approvals, but it was kept legal by only half of the judges. I remembered when the other half said that I didn't write them as laws. How can I learn from my mistakes when I write laws to make sure my proposal is legal for approval next time?

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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:56 am

Kand Sovi wrote:Just last week, one of my proposals was legal when I wrote my proposal a second time when submitted for approvals, but it was kept legal by only half of the judges. I remembered when the other half said that I didn't write them as laws. How can I learn from my mistakes when I write laws to make sure my proposal is legal for approval next time?


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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:56 am

Hey.

If I wrote a proposal on forcing transparency of government's economies as a whole, would that be duplicating #17.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:23 pm

The South Falls wrote:Hey.

If I wrote a proposal on forcing transparency of government's economies as a whole, would that be duplicating #17.

I don't see how, but its hard to judge off a hypothetical. Ask again after you've written a draft.

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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:34 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Hey.

If I wrote a proposal on forcing transparency of government's economies as a whole, would that be duplicating #17.

I don't see how, but its hard to judge off a hypothetical. Ask again after you've written a draft.

Thanks so much!
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:56 am

Concerning the committee rule, which states that "a proposal cannot define: who can/cannot staff the committee, how members are chosen, and term lengths", would this allow a proposal to state that a new committee shall consist of "learned and dispassionate judges and administrators"?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:43 am

Wallenburg wrote:Concerning the committee rule, which states that "a proposal cannot define: who can/cannot staff the committee, how members are chosen, and term lengths", would this allow a proposal to state that a new committee shall consist of "learned and dispassionate judges and administrators"?


I dont think so, but I say this hesitantly. That ascribes specific qualifications, which seems inappropriate. However, more general requirements of impartiality and subject matter familiarity would likely pass muster.

If you require committee members be judges or administrators, you qualify who may sit the committee, not just the requisite requirements for committee functionality.

That's off the cuff, though. I see how it could look like an arbitrary line in the sand.

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:00 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Concerning the committee rule, which states that "a proposal cannot define: who can/cannot staff the committee, how members are chosen, and term lengths", would this allow a proposal to state that a new committee shall consist of "learned and dispassionate judges and administrators"?

I dont think so, but I say this hesitantly. That ascribes specific qualifications, which seems inappropriate. However, more general requirements of impartiality and subject matter familiarity would likely pass muster.

If you require committee members be judges or administrators, you qualify who may sit the committee, not just the requisite requirements for committee functionality.

That's off the cuff, though. I see how it could look like an arbitrary line in the sand.

The reason I ask is because, while it can be interpreted as setting requirements for who may sit on the committee, it might also be interpreted as describing the positions within the committee, which would only consequentially require certain skills for whichever gnome were recruited to fill the position.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:14 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:I dont think so, but I say this hesitantly. That ascribes specific qualifications, which seems inappropriate. However, more general requirements of impartiality and subject matter familiarity would likely pass muster.

If you require committee members be judges or administrators, you qualify who may sit the committee, not just the requisite requirements for committee functionality.

That's off the cuff, though. I see how it could look like an arbitrary line in the sand.

The reason I ask is because, while it can be interpreted as setting requirements for who may sit on the committee, it might also be interpreted as describing the positions within the committee, which would only consequentially require certain skills for whichever gnome were recruited to fill the position.


Oh. That's tricky. I suspect your better plan is to give a committee duties that put them in an administrative or judicial role rather than title the positions. That steers you clear of any possible misinterpretation.

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:46 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:The reason I ask is because, while it can be interpreted as setting requirements for who may sit on the committee, it might also be interpreted as describing the positions within the committee, which would only consequentially require certain skills for whichever gnome were recruited to fill the position.

Oh. That's tricky. I suspect your better plan is to give a committee duties that put them in an administrative or judicial role rather than title the positions. That steers you clear of any possible misinterpretation.

Or perhaps I can task the committee with appointing people to various positions?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:09 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Oh. That's tricky. I suspect your better plan is to give a committee duties that put them in an administrative or judicial role rather than title the positions. That steers you clear of any possible misinterpretation.

Or perhaps I can task the committee with appointing people to various positions?

I think that would work. You would have to clearly note that the committee is selecting positions and not limited to those with preexisting titles, but I dont see that as complicated.

There ya go. 1/6th of an opinion! :lol:

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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:48 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Or perhaps I can task the committee with appointing people to various positions?

I think that would work. You would have to clearly note that the committee is selecting positions and not limited to those with preexisting titles, but I dont see that as complicated.

There ya go. 1/6th of an opinion! :lol:

I also think that that should work.
So, now 2/6 of an opinion.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:04 pm

Sounds good. 3/6 1/2.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:55 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Sounds good. 3/6 1/2.

Because, as we all are well aware, SP, BA, and SL are all puppets of Gruen.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:09 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Sounds good. 3/6 1/2.

Because, as we all are well aware, SP, BA, and SL are all puppets of Gruen.

Yep. Who is a puppet of CD. Who is a puppet of Fris. Who is controlled by Defwa. Who you are behind. And Bitely controls your nation, who is controlled by Calaepes. Who is a puppet of-

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:50 pm

I swear decent operational security is completely impossible to come by these days.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:26 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:Who is a puppet of-

In the old days, it used to be said that everybody was a puppet of Hotrodia...
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Postby Gumbanna » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:59 am

What happens if you don't follow a WA resolution?

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:27 am

Gumbanna wrote:What happens if you don't follow a WA resolution?

Nobody in the GA forum will play with you.

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Postby Aclion » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:45 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Gumbanna wrote:What happens if you don't follow a WA resolution?

Nobody in the GA forum will play with you.

Unless you do a really good job of it.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:42 pm

Aclion wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Nobody in the GA forum will play with you.

Unless you do a really good job of it.

And only then, barely.

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Postby Araraukar » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:21 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:Nobody in the GA forum will play with you.
Aclion wrote:Unless you do a really good job of it.
Separatist Peoples wrote:And only then, barely.

To be fair, "not complying" doesn't equal "following the letter of the law but not the spirit of the law". Creative compliance (the latter) tends to go over better.
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