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Frisbeeteria
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:25 pm

Steneste wrote:So, I am relatively new to this sight, and I would just like to know what I should/could do to help improve anything if at all possible.

Participate.

Seriously, that's everything you need to do. Start responding to other people's topics with interesting, on-topic observations and polite criticisms. You'll figure out what needs to be improved after you've been here a while.

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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:05 pm

Steneste wrote:So, I am relatively new to this sight, and I would just like to know what I should/could do to help improve anything if at all possible.

As Fris says, it's usually best to start by spending time talking on drafting and discussion threads, providing input and also learning about the GA.
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Avgrunden
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Postby Avgrunden » Wed May 02, 2018 10:29 am

Does a review by GenSec on the legality of a submitted proposal have the same legal significance as a decision on a player-initiated legality challenge?
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Auralia
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Postby Auralia » Wed May 02, 2018 10:51 am

Avgrunden wrote:Does a review by GenSec on the legality of a submitted proposal have the same legal significance as a decision on a player-initiated legality challenge?

If by the former you mean the game-side proposal holding process, no. Unlike a legality challenge, that process is not precedential.

However, it should be noted that legality challenges can be initiated by GenSec; they do not have to be player-initiated.
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Frisbeeteria
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Wed May 02, 2018 12:16 pm

Avgrunden wrote:Does a review by GenSec on the legality of a submitted proposal have the same legal significance as a decision on a player-initiated legality challenge?

I don't know what you mean by "legal" in this context. For the purposes of game mechanics (the code behind the website), GenSec has the ability to mark a proposal Illegal and remove it from the active proposal queue. Legality challenges in the forum do not share that ability. Those are discussions. The final decision agreeing with a legality challenge will sometimes require either GenSec or the mods taking actual game-mechanics actions.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed May 02, 2018 3:57 pm

Avgrunden wrote:Does a review by GenSec on the legality of a submitted proposal have the same legal significance as a decision on a player-initiated legality challenge?


GenSec generally holds that Fris and Auralia are both right. It isn't strictly precedential, because its more of a housekeeping tool than anything else. It often leads to Challenges, and is a really good way of gauging GenSec's position on certain issues, but we aren't really able to cite to those actions, since there is no persistent record of them. Any such record would be HUGE, and likely so unwieldly and unsearchable as to be useless. Consider Control Panel rulings to be the Trial Court: lots of discretion and no precedential value, but nonetheless a very strong indicator of prevailing opinion.

But don't let that confuse you into believing that we need a CP ruling to make a Challenge ruling. Its not that procedural, just an analogy.
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Eastern Achia Treta Keavy
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Postby Eastern Achia Treta Keavy » Fri May 04, 2018 10:27 am

hey guys, i need some endorsements. i have written a resolution on Disaster Risk Reduction that i think woulld benefit all nations! Please endorse me and this resolution may become a real thing!

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Postby Wrapper » Fri May 04, 2018 10:30 am

This is not the place for this request. The only nations that can endorse you are those in your own region. You can post this on your Regional Message Board.

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Of Middle Earth
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Postby Of Middle Earth » Mon May 14, 2018 2:24 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Of Middle Earth wrote:So the WA general assembly passes legislation, what happens if you don't follow it eg. in the most current something about corruption, what if i do the opposite?

Compliance with WA law is mandatory, but from a forum perspective there really isn't anything keeping you from posting as if your nation is noncompliant. People in this subforum won't appreciate it and will likely ignore you, but you are free to RP noncompliance.

Sorry this is a semi-dead topic, but I assume this means a law is automatically passed in your nation, as it says in the telegrams. Does this mean that your stats change accordingly, Sorry again, but curiosity killed the cat. Or is it that it just says that something changed and it actually has no statistical impact.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon May 14, 2018 2:30 pm

Of Middle Earth wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Compliance with WA law is mandatory, but from a forum perspective there really isn't anything keeping you from posting as if your nation is noncompliant. People in this subforum won't appreciate it and will likely ignore you, but you are free to RP noncompliance.

Sorry this is a semi-dead topic, but I assume this means a law is automatically passed in your nation, as it says in the telegrams. Does this mean that your stats change accordingly, Sorry again, but curiosity killed the cat. Or is it that it just says that something changed and it actually has no statistical impact.


This isn't dead. That's what this thread is for.

When you get that telegram, statistical effects are recorded. You don't necessarily see the change. The forum side of the issue is a different can of worms.

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Postby Of Middle Earth » Tue May 15, 2018 1:53 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Of Middle Earth wrote:Sorry this is a semi-dead topic, but I assume this means a law is automatically passed in your nation, as it says in the telegrams. Does this mean that your stats change accordingly, Sorry again, but curiosity killed the cat. Or is it that it just says that something changed and it actually has no statistical impact.


This isn't dead. That's what this thread is for.

When you get that telegram, statistical effects are recorded. You don't necessarily see the change. The forum side of the issue is a different can of worms.

Ok then, well that means I should start voting in accordance with my countries beliefs (my WA membership is in a puppet)
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What does endorsements do?

Postby Black Bulls » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:37 pm

Do it help you when you vote or does it help your nation grow?
Or does it make you military stronger or economics?

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Frisbeeteria
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:14 pm

Black Bulls wrote:Do it help you when you vote or does it help your nation grow?
Or does it make you military stronger or economics?

Read the description line below the title of each resolution that passes while you are a member of the WA. For instance, "A resolution to develop industry around the world" could be expected to improve things related to your nation's industry.

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Postby Whovian Tardisia » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:27 pm

Black Bulls wrote:What does endorsements do?


Endorsements serve two purposes so far as I've seen.

If you have more endorsements than anyone else in your region, you become the region's WA Delegate, which can give you certain perks; by default you gain the ability to approve proposals for submission to the WA voting queue (it would be best to thoroughly understand the rules outlined in the Compendium before making such a decision). In many regions, Delegates also have Executive authority, allowing them to administrate many aspects of it, including the ability to eject and ban nations; these mechanics are what the raiding/defending gameplay community is based on (You can learn more about that in the Gameplay forum).

The other purpose of endorsements is that you need at least two to submit a proposal to the World Assembly. It is highly recommended that proposals go through a lengthy drafting phase in their own thread in the relevant chamber's forum (General Assembly or Security Council) before submission.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:46 am

Whovian Tardisia wrote:
Black Bulls wrote:What does endorsements do?


Endorsements serve two purposes so far as I've seen.

If you have more endorsements than anyone else in your region, you become the region's WA Delegate, which can give you certain perks; by default you gain the ability to approve proposals for submission to the WA voting queue (it would be best to thoroughly understand the rules outlined in the Compendium before making such a decision). In many regions, Delegates also have Executive authority, allowing them to administrate many aspects of it, including the ability to eject and ban nations; these mechanics are what the raiding/defending gameplay community is based on (You can learn more about that in the Gameplay forum).

The other purpose of endorsements is that you need at least two to submit a proposal to the World Assembly. It is highly recommended that proposals go through a lengthy drafting phase in their own thread in the relevant chamber's forum (General Assembly or Security Council) before submission.

Also, when a Delegate votes on any WA resolution that has received enough approvals to reach the floor, their vote is worth +1 for each endorsement that they possess.
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Postby Triangle And Square » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:13 pm

Have proposals that were at vote been taken down due to a rule violation? If so, can you give me a bit more details about those?
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Postby Christian Democrats » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:32 pm

Triangle And Square wrote:Have proposals that were at vote been taken down due to a rule violation? If so, can you give me a bit more details about those?

Yes, proposals at vote may be removed. There really aren't any details to give. Sometimes, proposals reach quorum at lightning speed, before a decision on their legality can be made. Then, they're declared illegal after voting has started.
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Postby Triangle And Square » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:12 am

Christian Democrats wrote:
Triangle And Square wrote:Have proposals that were at vote been taken down due to a rule violation? If so, can you give me a bit more details about those?

Yes, proposals at vote may be removed. There really aren't any details to give. Sometimes, proposals reach quorum at lightning speed, before a decision on their legality can be made. Then, they're declared illegal after voting has started.

Okay, fair enough. :)
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Postby New Opulentia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:56 pm

Hello.
I received a notice from the World Assembly Compliance board saying that laws have been enacted to bring me in line with new legislation. Does this mean that my country has been automatically modified to meet these laws?

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:57 pm

New Opulentia wrote:Hello.
I received a notice from the World Assembly Compliance board saying that laws have been enacted to bring me in line with new legislation. Does this mean that my country has been automatically modified to meet these laws?

Yes.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:47 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
New Opulentia wrote:Hello.
I received a notice from the World Assembly Compliance board saying that laws have been enacted to bring me in line with new legislation. Does this mean that my country has been automatically modified to meet these laws?

Yes.

Eh, you could just repeal those laws, but apparently, compliance is mandatory. Doesn't stop us.

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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:37 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Yes.

Eh, you could just repeal those laws, but apparently, compliance is mandatory. Doesn't stop us.

Don't encourage people to ignore WA law.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:44 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Eh, you could just repeal those laws, but apparently, compliance is mandatory. Doesn't stop us.

Don't encourage people to ignore WA law.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:52 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Don't encourage people to ignore WA law.

You technically can't, but I can from a RP perspective.

But fine, you shouldn't break WA law, except where neccessary to defend the precepts of the natural law from attack.

Behavior such as your own only encourages a breakdown of IC compliance. Such behavior contributes to the number of newcomers that don't give half a crap about the rules or existing legislation. Don't.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:53 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:You technically can't, but I can from a RP perspective.

But fine, you shouldn't break WA law, except where neccessary to defend the precepts of the natural law from attack.

Behavior such as your own only encourages a breakdown of IC compliance. Such behavior contributes to the number of newcomers that don't give half a crap about the rules or existing legislation. Don't.

My bad. Sorry. Just having some humour.

I will agree that compliance is required.

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