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Problems with approval of resolutions

Postby Instar » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:12 am

I can not approve resolutions and approvals, why, have I missed something.
I confess that I do not know how we do it.

Thank you.

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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:40 am

Instar wrote:I can not approve resolutions and approvals, why, have I missed something.
I confess that I do not know how we do it.

Thank you.

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You can only 'approve' proposals if you are your region's WA Delegate, which you aren't.
Approval by at least 06% of the Delegates gets a proposal to the floor for a vote by the WA's entire membership, and you should be able to vote at that stage.
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Postby Jormengand » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:12 am

Suppose I wanted to go back and cast repeals against all resolutions that were older than a certain age, and each resolution as it became that old, purely on the basis that legislation proposed so long ago should be subject to re-evaluation (Say, "The World Assembly//REALISING that circumstances can change, making resolutions which were previously advisable inadvisable//BELIEVING that World Assembly nations should be able to review resolutions every Y years//NOTING that resolution #X was proposed over Y years ago//FURTHER NOTING that there is no mechanism for this to happen automatically//WISHING to provide delegates with a chance to review resolution #X//WITHHOLDING judgment on the validity of delegates' individual reasons for desiring, or not desiring, a repeal//Hereby,//REPEALS resolution_name"). Ignoring my current non-membership of the WA, which would be rectified in this case (or the proposal passed on to another delegate),

  • Would this even be a thing I can do, or would it be considered either spam (there would be a lot of these even if I only reviewed 5 year old or older legislation) or for some reason to be an illegal proposal? If there's some limit on how much mass-repealing is considered okay, roughly what is that limit (for example, if I were to mass-repeal legislation which was both old and didn't pass very much, that would be a way to cut down the number of repeals)
  • Would it be permissable to use almost exactly the same wording for multiple repeals on that basis? For example, there would be no difference between "Repeal Rights and Duties of WA States" and "Repeal Restrictions on Child Labout" except that the resolution name and number would be different*. I would have written the wording in both cases and therefore I wouldn't be plagiarising.
  • Would it be possible to write a GA resolution which encourages further resolutions of this type (either as an operative or as part of the preamble; either way probably as a part of a resolution which does something else meaningful), and in that case, what category would it be?
  • Would it be okay to create a thread to discuss this type of resolution in general (A "Time Limit Repeal Discussion thread") for purposes such as discussing what the general wording of Time Limit Repeals should be (because they're all the same) and working out which TLRs actually have a reasonable enough chance of passing to bother submitting them.

[spoiler=*]So the former might read "The World Assembly//REALISING that circumstances can change, making resolutions which were previously advisable inadvisable//BELIEVING that World Assembly nations should be able to review resolutions every 5 years//NOTING that resolution #2 was proposed over 5 years ago//FURTHER NOTING that there is no mechanism for this to happen automatically//WISHING to provide delegates with a chance to review resolution #2//WITHHOLDING judgment on the validity of delegates' individual reasons for desiring, or not desiring, a repeal//Hereby,//REPEALS Rights and Duties of WA states" and the latter would read "The World Assembly//REALISING that circumstances can change, making resolutions which were previously advisable inadvisable//BELIEVING that World Assembly nations should be able to review resolutions every 5 years//NOTING that resolution #4 was proposed over 5 years ago//FURTHER NOTING that there is no mechanism for this to happen automatically//WISHING to provide delegates with a chance to review resolution #4//WITHHOLDING judgment on the validity of delegates' individual reasons for desiring, or not desiring, a repeal//Hereby,//REPEALS Restrictions on Child Labour"[/spoiler]
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:19 am

Can't really do that because, according to the rules, repeals require unique arguments tailored to the target resolution. You're welcome to try to repeal every resolution that's older than X years, and even use some of the same text in your proposals, but in each proposal you must have a unique argument that addresses the target resolution in some manner.

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Postby Jormengand » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:30 am

Wrapper wrote:Can't really do that because, according to the rules, repeals require unique arguments tailored to the target resolution. You're welcome to try to repeal every resolution that's older than X years, and even use some of the same text in your proposals, but in each proposal you must have a unique argument that addresses the target resolution in some manner.

Okay, that's fair enough. If I were to have an argument like...

"The World Assembly//REALISING that circumstances can change, making resolutions which were previously advisable inadvisable//BELIEVING that World Assembly nations should be able to review resolutions every Y years//NOTING that resolution #X was proposed over Y years ago//FURTHER NOTING that there is no mechanism for this to happen automatically//WISHING to provide delegates with a chance to review resolution #X//PRESENTING the following reasons that delegates have given against resolution #X://- That resolution #X does not protect the rights of civilians//- That resolution #X needlessly prevents meaningful legislation on this topic//- That World Assembly nations should be allowed reasonable disagreement with the principles in the resolution//WITHHOLDING specific judgment on which of these arguments is valid//Hereby,//REPEALS resolution_name"

Would that be okay (assuming the arguments were actually relevant to the resolution in question) or does the argument have to be majority specific to the target resolution? Similarly, what about my last two questions (Could I have a resolution which preambles about ENCOURAGING more Time Limit Repeals or which resolves that it ENCOURAGES people to make more TLRs, assuming it also did something more substantial, and could I make a discussion thread for discussing TLRs in general?)?
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:38 am

Jormengand wrote:Okay, that's fair enough. If I were to have an argument like...

There's no "insert X and change Y" format for repeals. Especially for many of the older resolutions (NAPA, anyone?) that have withstood countless of repeal attempts, including ones by some of the best resolution writers in the history of the WA.
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Postby Jormengand » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:42 am

Araraukar wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Okay, that's fair enough. If I were to have an argument like...

There's no "insert X and change Y" format for repeals. Especially for many of the older resolutions (NAPA, anyone?) that have withstood countless of repeal attempts, including ones by some of the best resolution writers in the history of the WA.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. The TLRs aren't amendments, they just happen to be a set of similarly-worded repeals (and I already have a ruling from a mod that it's okay to "use some of the same text in your proposals"). If the point you're making is that you don't think that TLRs will pass, then that's another matter. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but as long as the GA has a chance to re-vote on old legislation, that's fine either way.
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:45 am

As I said, the rules state you must have a unique argument that is tailored to the target resolution. Please see the rules for proposals (link in my signature), particularly the National Sovereignty section under Repeals.

Jormengand wrote:Could I have a resolution which preambles about ENCOURAGING more Time Limit Repeals or which resolves that it ENCOURAGES people to make more TLRs, assuming it also did something more substantial

You cannot include any active clauses that encourage or urge nations (or players for that matter) to do something. That would be considered legislating in a repeal. A repeal can only repeal existing legislation, and nothing else.

Jormengand wrote:could I make a discussion thread for discussing TLRs in general

That would be fine. If you're talking about proposing a change to the game mechanics so that resolutions automatically expire, that discussion would go in Technical. If you're talking about discussing whether or not the GA should try to repeal each resolution that is older than a certain age one at a time, that would belong here.
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Postby Jormengand » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:52 am

Wrapper wrote:As I said, the rules state you must have a unique argument that is tailored to the target resolution. Please see the rules for proposals (link in my signature), particularly the National Sovereignty section under Repeals.


Right, but assuming the bolded section really were tailored to the target resolution (for example, if I were to say that article 3 of Section 1 of resolution 2 unduly restricted the ability of nations to aid citizens of repressive dictatorships in the citizens' time of need), would it be okay to have a resolution which was majority about the time limit and had a "These are the reasons why you might actually want to get rid of this" section as well as mostly using the unchanging general TLR text.

You cannot include any active clauses that encourage or urge nations (or players for that matter) to do something. That would be considered legislating in a repeal. A repeal can only repeal existing legislation, and nothing else.

Can I encourage people to make certain types of resolutions in a non-repeal resolution?



Sorry, I'm aware I'm asking complex questions without being entirely clear.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:03 am

Jormengand wrote:
Wrapper wrote:As I said, the rules state you must have a unique argument that is tailored to the target resolution. Please see the rules for proposals (link in my signature), particularly the National Sovereignty section under Repeals.


Right, but assuming the bolded section really were tailored to the target resolution (for example, if I were to say that article 3 of Section 1 of resolution 2 unduly restricted the ability of nations to aid citizens of repressive dictatorships in the citizens' time of need), would it be okay to have a resolution which was majority about the time limit and had a "These are the reasons why you might actually want to get rid of this" section as well as mostly using the unchanging general TLR text.

You cannot include any active clauses that encourage or urge nations (or players for that matter) to do something. That would be considered legislating in a repeal. A repeal can only repeal existing legislation, and nothing else.

Can I encourage people to make certain types of resolutions in a non-repeal resolution?



Sorry, I'm aware I'm asking complex questions without being entirely clear.


Historically, you can say things like "Hoping the GA will pass a resolution that addresses these concerns" or something like that. You have to be pretty general about it. You can express, through the perspective of the GA, a hope, but cannot act upon nations, even through nonmandatory encouragement. Its all about perspective.

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Postby Carmine » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:55 pm

How can I approve a proposal to bring it to a formal vote? Under proposals, it lists the nation’s that approve and has a deadline for when voting ends but doesn’t give you the option to actually approve.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:10 pm

Carmine wrote:How can I approve a proposal to bring it to a formal vote? Under proposals, it lists the nation’s that approve and has a deadline for when voting ends but doesn’t give you the option to actually approve.

You have to be a WA delegate to approve proposals.

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Ejection from the WA

Postby Fjernland » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:53 pm

I have had a nation that I no longer use that is one the WA, and a nation I use now that is part of the WA. If I remove the old nation from the WA, will I be safe?

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:02 pm

Fjernland wrote:I have had a nation that I no longer use that is one the WA, and a nation I use now that is part of the WA. If I remove the old nation from the WA, will I be safe?

As long as only one of your nations is in the WA at any given time*, you're fine. Some gameplayers shift their WA 20+ times in an hour of raiding or defending.


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What do I do?

Postby The New European Order » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:07 pm

So, my nation ceased to exist a while back, and a thread regarding my drafted legislature was locked, but now I'm back and I want to start working on it again. What do I do?
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Postby Tinfect » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:11 pm

The New European Order wrote:So, my nation ceased to exist a while back, and a thread regarding my drafted legislature was locked, but now I'm back and I want to start working on it again. What do I do?


You should be able to ask in Moderation for the thread to be re-opened.
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Postby Wrapper » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:17 pm

Post an unlock request in this thread.

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Postby Araraukar » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:17 pm

Actually, it was locked because I took the draft over and it was posted in a new thread, because TNEO couldn't partake NS anymore...? :blink:

EDIT: It's now here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=415221

2nd EDIT: I TG'd TNEO, we'll sort it out. :)
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Postby Feux » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:36 pm

Is there a list of which GA cateogories are most used?
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Postby Auralia » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:41 pm

Feux wrote:Is there a list of which GA cateogories are most used?

There's a list of resolutions by category. The most used category is Human Rights.
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Postby Feux » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:49 pm

Auralia wrote:
Feux wrote:Is there a list of which GA cateogories are most used?

There's a list of resolutions by category. The most used category is Human Rights.

That is perfect. Thank you.
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Drafting Proposals

Postby Hejmlan » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:52 pm

Do all proposals have to be in the format of every line begining with a verb and listing a different reason for the proposal, or is it customary?
Must all drafts of resolutions be posted in the General Assembly forum before moving forward?

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Postby Wrapper » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:54 pm

Hejmlan wrote:Do all proposals have to be in the format of every line begining with a verb and listing a different reason for the proposal, or is it customary?

That is customary, but doing otherwise is not necessarily against the rules. The pertinent rule states that "Proposals must be written as laws" (see the link to the GA Rules for Proposals in my signature below). If you can do so while using a different format, that's fine.

Hejmlan wrote:Must all drafts of resolutions be posted in the General Assembly forum before moving forward?

This is not a requirement. However, a lot of experienced authors use the GA forum to improve the quality of their drafts prior to submission, ensure there are no illegalities, and answer questions that may help voters decide whether or not to vote for the proposal. For those reasons I strongly suggest that you post a draft here before submission.

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Postby He Qixin 2 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:47 pm

All GA proposals submitted at 12 PM are only given 3 days to garner approvals and legality before they are dropped from the floor. GA proposals submitted at 1 PM are given 3 days 11 hours to garner approvals and legality before they are dropped from the floor, and every subsequent hour reduces the voting period by an hour. The same goes for SC proposals. Why such a time arrangement?
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:56 pm

He Qixin 2 wrote:All GA proposals submitted at 12 PM are only given 3 days to garner approvals and legality before they are dropped from the floor. GA proposals submitted at 1 PM are given 3 days 11 hours to garner approvals and legality before they are dropped from the floor, and every subsequent hour reduces the voting period by an hour. The same goes for SC proposals. Why such a time arrangement?

Because the game updates once every twelve hours, and that's what the queue is linked to.
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