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by Laka Strolistandiler » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:24 pm
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by Untecna » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:29 pm
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Need help deciding the amount of punishment my nation will take for WA violations. Basically, my nation has taken a hard stance against WA Pro-Choice resolutions- getting an abortion outside of the state (and the public)-approved cases is not just hard- after you get one you’ll most likely be treated as an unwanted guest everywhere, including government agencies, most of your friends and even relatives will turn away from you, and, of course, keeping your job (and finding a new one) will be near impossible. While this is less of an official policy and more of a “public voluntary agreement to boycott and bully abortion getters”, vocal support for this was voiced by the parliament and the monarch.
Speaking of other violations, the nation has hard anti-smoking laws, that go as far as banning production and storage of smoking devices in large quantities, alcohol is very heavily regulated as well, and all forms of drugs are banned with almost all drug-related crimes being classified as “heavy” with all the resulting consequences (our nation is really into discriminating against ex-heavy-convicts).
We also have had a death penalty, although recently it was replaced by something which can be possibly called fate worse than death. Chemically and surgically shaping one’s mind and personality into a functioning member of society. While such “operations” are conducted with some a great amount of safety and are usually successful, the whole nature of this “mandatory psychiatric treatment for extre-heavy-criminals” is quite controversial. Prisoner can be sentenced to such a sentence only after a long period of awaiting additional evidence that can prove him not guilty (like 20 years or something), a full analysis by nation’s leading psychologists, criminologists and psychiatrists, etc.
Also, while our nation has little to no political rights violations (yeah maybe the state religion feeds off the taxpayer’s money and it also has some privileges when dealing with government but nothing more than that), speaking of other possible civil rights abuses, the government keeps a heavy track of every citizen’s info. Anything they can find without violating one’s privacy, they will record, catalogue and store. And, as they have the technology and the men, they can find a lot. Social media is quite popular and as such getting info on citizen’s whereabouts is quite easy, even without analyzing the data.
Finally, all of the civ rights violations were approved on a national referendum which was ratified by international observers.
by Laka Strolistandiler » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:32 pm
Untecna wrote:Just... don't then? I mean, you don't have to whip yourself every time you oppose a resolution. Or at all.
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by Bananaistan » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:51 am
by Daarwyrth » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:55 am
by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:08 am
Bananaistan wrote:The fines have either crippled your economy or your nation is subject to a total embargo such that your economy is crippled, your people find it hard to leave, your leaders are subject to sanctions, not one good/service is imported, etc. Effectively you are now a failed state.
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by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:11 am
Daarwyrth wrote:Your nation will have it much easier if you simply return to a state of compliance. There's no benefit in being non-compliant, nor will there ever be.
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by Araraukar » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:12 am
Bananaistan wrote:The fines have either crippled your economy or your nation is subject to a total embargo such that your economy is crippled, your people find it hard to leave, your leaders are subject to sanctions, not one good/service is imported, etc. Effectively you are now a failed state.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Separatist Peoples » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:17 am
Araraukar wrote:Bananaistan wrote:The fines have either crippled your economy or your nation is subject to a total embargo such that your economy is crippled, your people find it hard to leave, your leaders are subject to sanctions, not one good/service is imported, etc. Effectively you are now a failed state.
All those (embargoes etc.) only apply to member nations, though. For a member nation that is on a planet otherwise populated by nonmembers and which does not want foreign member nations fiddling with its trade and whatnot, it can be totally reasonable.
Also, presumably WA committees cannot cause noncompliance through their actions, so they cannot take any money or resources earmarked for the many requirements other resolutions demand member nations provide. WA also cannot require internal taxation rates nor take money belonging to private people/businesses/institutions.
So depending on the RP reality, your arguments are not necessarily true.
by Separatist Peoples » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:18 am
Untecna wrote:Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Need help deciding the amount of punishment my nation will take for WA violations. Basically, my nation has taken a hard stance against WA Pro-Choice resolutions- getting an abortion outside of the state (and the public)-approved cases is not just hard- after you get one you’ll most likely be treated as an unwanted guest everywhere, including government agencies, most of your friends and even relatives will turn away from you, and, of course, keeping your job (and finding a new one) will be near impossible. While this is less of an official policy and more of a “public voluntary agreement to boycott and bully abortion getters”, vocal support for this was voiced by the parliament and the monarch.
Speaking of other violations, the nation has hard anti-smoking laws, that go as far as banning production and storage of smoking devices in large quantities, alcohol is very heavily regulated as well, and all forms of drugs are banned with almost all drug-related crimes being classified as “heavy” with all the resulting consequences (our nation is really into discriminating against ex-heavy-convicts).
We also have had a death penalty, although recently it was replaced by something which can be possibly called fate worse than death. Chemically and surgically shaping one’s mind and personality into a functioning member of society. While such “operations” are conducted with some a great amount of safety and are usually successful, the whole nature of this “mandatory psychiatric treatment for extre-heavy-criminals” is quite controversial. Prisoner can be sentenced to such a sentence only after a long period of awaiting additional evidence that can prove him not guilty (like 20 years or something), a full analysis by nation’s leading psychologists, criminologists and psychiatrists, etc.
Also, while our nation has little to no political rights violations (yeah maybe the state religion feeds off the taxpayer’s money and it also has some privileges when dealing with government but nothing more than that), speaking of other possible civil rights abuses, the government keeps a heavy track of every citizen’s info. Anything they can find without violating one’s privacy, they will record, catalogue and store. And, as they have the technology and the men, they can find a lot. Social media is quite popular and as such getting info on citizen’s whereabouts is quite easy, even without analyzing the data.
Finally, all of the civ rights violations were approved on a national referendum which was ratified by international observers.
Just... don't then? I mean, you don't have to whip yourself every time you oppose a resolution. Or at all.
by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:34 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:Araraukar wrote:All those (embargoes etc.) only apply to member nations, though. For a member nation that is on a planet otherwise populated by nonmembers and which does not want foreign member nations fiddling with its trade and whatnot, it can be totally reasonable.
Also, presumably WA committees cannot cause noncompliance through their actions, so they cannot take any money or resources earmarked for the many requirements other resolutions demand member nations provide. WA also cannot require internal taxation rates nor take money belonging to private people/businesses/institutions.
So depending on the RP reality, your arguments are not necessarily true.
I'm sure IA would have an argument against the claim that autarky works. The WA may not be able to reduce that money, but they can certainly offset that allocation with fines to effectively halt funding.
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by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:14 am
Jedinsto wrote:Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Also, who or what is IA?
Imperium Anglorum, 40+ time GA author.
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by Araraukar » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:40 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Jedinsto wrote:Imperium Anglorum, 40+ time GA author.
Well then, let’s invite him into the discussion, shall we?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Untecna » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:19 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:Untecna wrote:Just... don't then? I mean, you don't have to whip yourself every time you oppose a resolution. Or at all.
Kindly do not offer bad advice to players with questions. As stated below and elsewhere, the risks of noncompliance are established and failure to abide by them is godmodding.
by Untecna » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:23 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Untecna wrote:Just... don't then? I mean, you don't have to whip yourself every time you oppose a resolution. Or at all.
Well, I’ve talked about this with Separatist Peoples and he thinks that nations that oppose WA resolutions should RP the fines, and damage to economy that results in them. I agree with him.
by Separatist Peoples » Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:32 am
Untecna wrote:Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Well, I’ve talked about this with Separatist Peoples and he thinks that nations that oppose WA resolutions should RP the fines, and damage to economy that results in them. I agree with him.
Yeah, but that's forced RP, which is something you should never agree with, and besides, you can do pretty much whatever with the stats of your nation.
by Wallenburg » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:44 pm
Untecna wrote:Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Well, I’ve talked about this with Separatist Peoples and he thinks that nations that oppose WA resolutions should RP the fines, and damage to economy that results in them. I agree with him.
Yeah, but that's forced RP, which is something you should never agree with, and besides, you can do pretty much whatever with the stats of your nation.
by Dystopian English and Welsh Republic » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:32 am
by Araraukar » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:39 am
Dystopian English and Welsh Republic wrote:Is the death penalty prohibited under WA law?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Jedinsto » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:05 pm
by Wallenburg » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:27 pm
by Potted Plants United » Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:07 pm
Wallenburg wrote:There are no technicalities by which you can execute someone under WA law.
Separatist Peoples wrote:"NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE!"
- Mr. Bell, when introduced to PPU's newest moving plant
by Jedinsto » Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:49 pm
Death Penalty Ban wrote:The death penalty is abolished except for crimes under a military penal code committed during time of war.
Military Death Penalty Ban wrote:Abolishes the death penalty for all crimes under the purview of military law;
by Wallenburg » Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:46 pm
Potted Plants United wrote:Wallenburg wrote:There are no technicalities by which you can execute someone under WA law.
That wasn't what they asked, though. Giving someone death penalty but then not actually executing them (sentence commuted to multiple life sentences instead) happens all the time in RL, so would be reasonable to imagine it could happen in NS as well?
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