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The Rhenish League
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Postby The Rhenish League » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:36 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Consensual only means OOC consensual though right?

No. WA resolutions are IC. So the requirement is IC.

The Rhenish League wrote:Yes. Nations agree in an OOC manner on whether or not to war each other IC - it isn't really different if within or outside the WA.

That was the intent, but it doesn't square with the IC nature of WA resolutions.

Okay, we might have misunderstood each other - of course, WA resolutions are IC, and so are all requirements to comply with them. I just (mis?)interpreted the question whether war declarations are consensual depending on WA Membership.

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Saranidia
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Postby Saranidia » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:03 am

The Rhenish League wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:No. WA resolutions are IC. So the requirement is IC.


That was the intent, but it doesn't square with the IC nature of WA resolutions.

Okay, we might have misunderstood each other - of course, WA resolutions are IC, and so are all requirements to comply with them. I just (mis?)interpreted the question whether war declarations are consensual depending on WA Membership.

So someone role plays agreeeing to have their country invaded?or is it just that they agree to the RP oocly?
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Postby Sargon Reman » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:00 pm

Hello I had a question regarding Co authorship.
In this resolution:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1

Charlotte Ryberg is listed as having "Edited" the resolution. Does this mean they were co author since they had some hand in the resolution?

I was just wanting to know because I was considering mentioning it in a SC Resolution.
Since its a GA resolution in question I thought I would ask here.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:29 pm

Sargon Reman wrote:Hello I had a question regarding Co authorship.
In this resolution:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1

Charlotte Ryberg is listed as having "Edited" the resolution. Does this mean they were co author since they had some hand in the resolution?

I was just wanting to know because I was considering mentioning it in a SC Resolution.
Since its a GA resolution in question I thought I would ask here.

Thank you


Yes, that counts as a Co-Author credit. Its a little more standardized now, as things often become over time.

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Postby Liberimery » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:56 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Consensual only means OOC consensual though right?

No. WA resolutions are IC. So the requirement is IC.

The Rhenish League wrote:Yes. Nations agree in an OOC manner on whether or not to war each other IC - it isn't really different if within or outside the WA.

That was the intent, but it doesn't square with the IC nature of WA resolutions.



Could we make the IC ruling that Belligerent Actions with any nation by a member state may not occur without a formal Declaration of War made either in a public setting or given directly to a government's head of government, head of state, or the heads of foreign and defense ministries or equivalent branches of that tasking. Basically no Pearl Harbors.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:00 am

Liberimery wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:No. WA resolutions are IC. So the requirement is IC.


That was the intent, but it doesn't square with the IC nature of WA resolutions.



Could we make the IC ruling that Belligerent Actions with any nation by a member state may not occur without a formal Declaration of War made either in a public setting or given directly to a government's head of government, head of state, or the heads of foreign and defense ministries or equivalent branches of that tasking. Basically no Pearl Harbors.


GenSec doesn't issue In Character rulings. That isn't how it works.

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Postby Saranidia » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:50 pm

Are racist and Islamaphobic wars illegal?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:30 pm

Saranidia wrote:Are racist and Islamaphobic wars illegal?

No. There are no laws regarding causes of war.

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Postby Saranidia » Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:32 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Are racist and Islamaphobic wars illegal?

No. There are no laws regarding causes of war.

But wouldn’t it come under laws about discrimination generally?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:21 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:No. There are no laws regarding causes of war.

But wouldn’t it come under laws about discrimination generally?

No. They would not.

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Postby Saranidia » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:08 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Saranidia wrote:But wouldn’t it come under laws about discrimination generally?

No. They would not.

How would they not?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:12 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:No. They would not.

How would they not?

Because there are no laws governing causes of war, and cause for waging a war doesn't inherently rise to the level of discrimination. Actions taken in promulgating that war may, but declaring a war for religious rationale doesn't itself violate GAR#35.

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Postby Saranidia » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:15 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Saranidia wrote:How would they not?

Because there are no laws governing causes of war, and cause for waging a war doesn't inherently rise to the level of discrimination. Actions taken in promulgating that war may, but declaring a war for religious rationale doesn't itself violate GAR#35.

What does constitute discrimination then?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:22 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Because there are no laws governing causes of war, and cause for waging a war doesn't inherently rise to the level of discrimination. Actions taken in promulgating that war may, but declaring a war for religious rationale doesn't itself violate GAR#35.

What does constitute discrimination then?


You should search through the Passed Resolutions to find out. Pay extra close attention to GAR#35, which I noted explicitly in the post you quoted.

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Postby Araraukar » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:56 am

And also GA #38.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:38 am

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Postby The Red Coat Militia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:17 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Eskeyodo wrote:sup broo im here to win anyon got the new call of duty lol :mad:

BumpyLand wrote:yall neegas scared fr now huh? 8)


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Postby Audioslavia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:51 pm

The Red Coat Militia wrote:
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This Is Not A Puppet
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Proposals

Postby This Is Not A Puppet » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:24 pm

Is it possible for someone to translate the WA proposals into English for me? It might just be me but WA proposals seem increasingly dense and full of legalese. I have trouble understanding what they are actually saying.

See WA Resolution
https://www.nationstates.net/page=ga
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:26 pm

This Is Not A Puppet wrote:Is it possible for someone to translate the WA proposals into English for me? It might just be me but WA proposals seem increasingly dense and full of legalese. I have trouble understanding what they are actually saying.

See WA Resolution
https://www.nationstates.net/page=ga

Try Google Translate.

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Postby This Is Not A Puppet » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:32 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
This Is Not A Puppet wrote:Is it possible for someone to translate the WA proposals into English for me? It might just be me but WA proposals seem increasingly dense and full of legalese. I have trouble understanding what they are actually saying.

See WA Resolution
https://www.nationstates.net/page=ga

Try Google Translate.

Very funny, I don't think they offer to translate legalese
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:44 pm

This Is Not A Puppet wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Try Google Translate.

Very funny, I don't think they offer to translate legalese

Learn legalese?

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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:53 pm

This Is Not A Puppet wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Try Google Translate.

Very funny, I don't think they offer to translate legalese

Translating legalese? Have you tried checking to see if you've installed the SLIS formula into xkoranate?
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Postby Danubian Peoples » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:35 am

Are you allowed to write a proposal and have another nation submit it on your behalf? I'm asking because I don't wanna join the WA for security reasons (it requires my email y'know), but at the same time I want to write proposals.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:27 am

Danubian Peoples wrote:Are you allowed to write a proposal and have another nation submit it on your behalf?

Yes.
(For one precedent, see GA resolution #20 which has its actual Author -- rather than just a Co-Author -- named at its foot.)
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