[ABANDONED] Equal Marriage!

[Tinhampton]

Character count: 98
Word count: 17

Yes, that's it. It really is only twelve seventeen words long. GA#457 doesn't say "you must legalise same-sex marriage," it says "if you choose to legalise heterosexual marriage, you must also legalise same-sex marriage etc." Quod vide.

Article 1a thereof requires that marriage between all sexualities/genders be legalised by a member state if that member "allow[s] civil marriages between individuals of a certain sexuality or gender;" this proposal would require that a member which allows any civil marriages at all also be required to conduct them between same-sex couples. Let x be a more restrictive version of X, which is a proposed civil right for all individuals: if GA#457 says "if x, then X", the below says "if X, then x".

Equal Marriage!
A resolution to improve worldwide human sapient and civil rights.

Category: Civil Rights

Effect: Significant

Proposed by: Tinhampton

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All member states that have legalised marriage must allow sapient beings of the same sex to marry.

Draft 1 (which weighed in at 70 characters and 12 words) was entitled Legalise same-sex marriage in all member states. It read as follows: "All member states must allow marriage between persons of the same sex."

[Morover]

"Why not just legalize marriage in all circumstances? That could cut down the word-count to eight."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Some cultures don't have marriages.

[Wallenburg]

"We will not see this Assembly grant preferential treatment to individuals of any one sexual orientation. Firmly against."

[Maowi]

"We will not see this Assembly grant preferential treatment to individuals of any one sexual orientation. Firmly against."

"Given the mandates of GAR #457, should this legislation be passed, marriages between individuals of any sex would be permitted anyway. Although this would be a strange way of going about it, there would in practice be no preferential treatment granted."

[Wallenburg]

"We will not see this Assembly grant preferential treatment to individuals of any one sexual orientation. Firmly against."

"Given the mandates of GAR #457, should this legislation be passed, marriages between individuals of any sex would be permitted anyway. Although this would be a strange way of going about it, there would in practice be no preferential treatment granted."

"Unless GAR #457 were repealed. There is no good reason to write this proposal in this manner except to exclude non-homosexuals from a right to enter into marriages."

[Tinhampton]

Some cultures don't have marriages.

Foreign Marriage Recognition.

"...There is no good reason to write this proposal in this manner except to exclude non-homosexuals from a right to enter into marriages."

An eight-year-old staffer known only as Aidan: The earlier defeat of the politics ban thing means that my important person in the World Assembly can write a resolution saying that homosexuals cannot vote. That is a bad idea, and it is a very, very illegal idea. I would not vote for it to pass! What if the important man wrote something saying that a man and a woman cannot marry? That is bad and illegal, too! My important man's essay on the whiteboard says that a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, can marry just like a man and a woman can. It does not say "Mr Smith and Miss Jones cannot marry."

[Tinfect]

Some cultures don't have marriages.

Foreign Marriage Recognition.

OOC:
That resolution rather backs up IA's point...

1. Requires every member state to provide every foreign marriage that meets all of the following conditions the same legal recognition as a domestic marriage:
[...]
Affirms that this resolution [...] that member states are not required by this resolution to recognize marriage or similar unions.

If they don't have marriage as a concept in the first place, this legislation would require them to create it.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Some cultures don't have marriages.

Foreign Marriage Recognition.

So what? It doesn't support your position.

1. Requires every member state to provide every foreign marriage that meets all of the following conditions the same legal recognition as a domestic marriage ...

4. Affirms that this resolution has absolutely no effect on religious practices and that member states are not required by this resolution to recognize marriage or similar unions.

[Tinhampton]

Foreign Marriage Recognition.

So what? It doesn't support your position...

Quick, imagine there's a facepalm smiley here!

This will be abandoned if it is a superfluous proposal

[Auze]

"Against, also... (OOC: fix the formatting in the post)".

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

(OOC: fix the formatting in the post)

What's wrong with the formatting?



"Civil marriages between persons of the same sex performed within a member state's jurisdiction shall be granted equal validity and standing under the law as any other lawful marriage recognized by the state."

Solves the "we don't have marriage in our nation" problem, and hopefully the "you can't force our state church to recognize such marriages" problem. May NOT solve the "what about marital benefits" problem, or even the "our monarch's marriage is cemented in international law via treaty; why should these civilian unions be granted 'equal standing under the law' as the royal union??" problem. Give it a think.

[Auze]

(OOC: fix the formatting in the post)

What's wrong with the formatting?

The word count text (at least on desktop) merged with the description. Was kinda hard to read.

[United Massachusetts]

Some cultures don't have marriages.

United Massachusetts does not perform civil marriages, same-sex or opposite-sex. It is a private matter. Having said that, we tolerate and do not punish either arrangement, per our moral obligation and our legal obligation under the Charter of Civil Rights.

"Why not just legalize marriage in all circumstances? That could cut down the word-count to eight."

between two sapient beings (of the same species, I would argue)

[Potted Plants United]

between two sapient beings (of the same species, I would argue)

OOC: I'm guessing that's OOC given it's not posted as a character saying it. Isn't catholic church supposed to be the church of universal love? Or do I misremember that in some way? I think requiring sapiency (using "person" already does that) is enough - requiring same species as well will lead too far down the rabbit hole of what counts as a species.

IC: The hivemind's newest, possibly-bipedal "ambassador" entered the chamber, and, in a pleasant tone pointed out, "There do exist living entities that are not of any sex - not a-sexual, but a-sex - or are more than one sex at the same time. I would like to know why the author wishes to discriminate against such persons?"

[Union of Sovereign States and Republics]

The USSR stands in opposition to this proposal. While a valid and noteworthy venture, as the ambassador from Imperium Anglorum has stated, some cultures do not recognize public marriage, such as United Massachusetts. The government of Potted Plants United also makes a valid point; what of sapients that are asex?

[Florarosia]

The USSR stands in opposition to this proposal. While a valid and noteworthy venture, as the ambassador from Imperium Anglorum has stated, some cultures do not recognize public marriage, such as United Massachusetts. The government of Potted Plants United also makes a valid point; what of sapients that are asex?

"Didn't think we would be agreeing with the USSR here, but we are. We are currently opposed to the proposal until it includes the variety in all member nations."

[Poposhania]

Poposhania is pro same sex marriage and has no problem with it. We in Poposhania like to believe in loving our friends and keeping peace between people. Whoever wants to marry whoever is allowed to do that (except if it is an adult and a child because that is wrong). We want everyone to be on the same side and support each other and encourage teamwork. The people of Poposhania are very advanced and mindful people and have the upmost respect for other people not by race,gender,religion, or etc but based on how big someone's heart is and the morals they have.

[Liberimery]

Some cultures don't have marriages.

Liberimery has no state recognized marriage. Since we do not use marital status as a basis for any metric of taxable, it is none of the state's business what the definition of marriage is between the parties involved. Pre-nuptuials are handled as a matter of contract law and are quite popular services for engaged couples.

This isn't to say "marriage" is illegal, merely that the government does not recognize any legal definition. We do have other protections for matters such as relationships with minors and similar protections of rights, before anyone asks... and predatory contracts of any kind are dealt with.

[The New California Republic]

"Why not just legalize marriage in all circumstances? That could cut down the word-count to eight."

between two sapient beings (of the same species, I would argue)

...if there are two sapient beings in member nations who have the capacity to freely choose to marry, i.e. they both can recognise what marriage involves, and they both can recognise that this will involve themselves with each other, then does it really matter what species they are?

[Tinhampton]

Better?

[Kenmoria]

“What does this do that Defending the Rights of Sexual and Gender Minorities doesn’t?”

[Honeydewistania]

“What does this do that Defending the Rights of Sexual and Gender Minorities doesn’t?”

Nothing. Just straight up duplication of 1a

[United Massachusetts]

"It is the opinion of United Massachusetts that marriage is a private and religious matter, not a matter of state. We do not formally recognise any marriage, heterosexual nor homosexual, nor do we criminalise private marriage between any two consenting adults."