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Tucker Scott
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Founded: Sep 24, 2020
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Postby Tucker Scott » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:07 am

I am a supporter of libertarian pedagogy. Why do we forget about it? I also stand for the absolute freedom of the child before the dictates of the state, school administration, and so on.
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Tinhampton
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:13 am

Tucker Scott wrote:I am a supporter of libertarian pedagogy. Why do we forget about her?

...yes, I'm a lady but I have no idea what you're talking about :P

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I completely agree. Education is a child’s future and is highly beneficial for helping individuals become independent citizens in society. While many parents believe they know what is best for their child, some parents fail to recognize what their child truly wants. If this law were to pass, many youth voices’ would be silenced due to their parents’ abilities to dictate their education. For this reason, parents should not have the ultimate decision of education for their children, as it should be up to the state until a child reaches a mature age to decide their own educational path.

Even in the absence of this resolution, nothing in WA law requires "the state... to decide [a child's] educational path."
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Honeydewistania
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:32 am

Tinhampton wrote:
"Pedagogical Freedom" was defeated 13,879 votes to 1,685.
With 10.83% support, this is the least popular GA resolution since Treatment of the Deceased in August 2019. Regardless, I would like to thank everybody here for their support - and, of course, the much more prevalent and well-reasoned opposition - and do not believe that the fight for school choice in the General Assembly ends here.

Just wait for Araraukar to pass his Homeschools Regulations one and maybe you stand a chance if you do major rewriting
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Attempted Socialism
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:17 am

Tinhampton wrote:
"Pedagogical Freedom" was defeated 13,879 votes to 1,685.
With 10.83% support, this is the least popular GA resolution since Treatment of the Deceased in August 2019. Regardless, I (...) do not believe that the fight for school choice in the General Assembly ends here.
You lost 10:1 and you don't think that was in part because of the stance you took on the subject?


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Tinhampton
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:59 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:
"Pedagogical Freedom" was defeated 13,879 votes to 1,685.
With 10.83% support, this is the least popular GA resolution since Treatment of the Deceased in August 2019. Regardless, I (...) do not believe that the fight for school choice in the General Assembly ends here.
You lost 10:1 and you don't think that was in part because of the stance you took on the subject?

Firstly, 8.25:1 (33:4?) would be a more accurate margin of defeat. Secondly, Choice in Education got about 25% of the vote by Christian Democrats, a significantly more controversial author than I am. It is not so much what I believe on the subject - note that non-delegates supported both resolutions by a larger amount than the final result would seem to imply - as how people have interpreted it.

On TNP's forum discussion thread, I have seen people arguing that the right of a child's parents to "direct and guarantee [their] education" would enable them to pull their children out of mandatory science lessons (which is not true here or in the real world), that it would allow parents to teach anti-vaccination viewpoints to their children (when such speech is not forbidden by the WA), or that homeschooling would lead to the neglection of critical thinking (a subject which schools in member states are not currently required to offer). On this thread, the arguments bear viewing for themselves.

Yes, part of this defeat was about poor terminology and I fully intend to sort that out, but part of it was about not convincing enough people that this resolution was necessary - both in light of real-world principles to that effect and various proposals that would heavily regulate or effectively ban homeschooling. My work here is - evidently - not done!
The Self-Administrative City of TINHAMPTON (pop. 329,537): Saffron Howard, Mayor (UCP); Alexander Smith, WA Delegate-Ambassador

Authorships & co-authorships: SC#250, SC#251, Issue #1115, SC#267, GA#484, GA#491, GA#533, GA#540, GA#549, SC#356, GA#559, GA#562, GA#567, GA#578, SC#374, GA#582, SC#375, GA#589, GA#590, SC#382, SC#385*, GA#597, GA#607, SC#415, GA#647, GA#656, GA#664, GA#671, GA#674, GA#675, GA#677, GA#680, Issue #1580, GA#682, GA#683, GA#684, GA#692, GA#693, GA#715
The rest of my CV: Cup of Harmony 73 champions; Philosopher-Queen of Sophia; *author of the most popular SC Res. ever; anti-NPO cabalist in good standing; 48yo Tory woman w/Asperger's; Cambridge graduate ~ currently reading The World by Simon Sebag Montefiore

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Enaldo
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Postby Enaldo » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:50 pm

If I wanted children to be influenced by their clumsy parents, I would vote for it.

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Tinhampton
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:52 pm

Enaldo wrote:If I wanted children to be influenced by their clumsy parents, I would vote for it.

...thanks? I think you might be late given that voting on this ended 15 days ago :P
The Self-Administrative City of TINHAMPTON (pop. 329,537): Saffron Howard, Mayor (UCP); Alexander Smith, WA Delegate-Ambassador

Authorships & co-authorships: SC#250, SC#251, Issue #1115, SC#267, GA#484, GA#491, GA#533, GA#540, GA#549, SC#356, GA#559, GA#562, GA#567, GA#578, SC#374, GA#582, SC#375, GA#589, GA#590, SC#382, SC#385*, GA#597, GA#607, SC#415, GA#647, GA#656, GA#664, GA#671, GA#674, GA#675, GA#677, GA#680, Issue #1580, GA#682, GA#683, GA#684, GA#692, GA#693, GA#715
The rest of my CV: Cup of Harmony 73 champions; Philosopher-Queen of Sophia; *author of the most popular SC Res. ever; anti-NPO cabalist in good standing; 48yo Tory woman w/Asperger's; Cambridge graduate ~ currently reading The World by Simon Sebag Montefiore

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