[DEFEATED] Pedagogical Freedom

[The Grand Imperial Reich]

Strongly against. I see no result from this resolution other than the rampant spread of anti-intellectualism and extremist ideals being promoted to younger generations via ill-intentioned and ignorant parents. Even if this proposal didn't have far reaching negative effects, I fail to see what positive affects it could possibly have that make it worth this bodies time.

[Great Robertia]

"Great Robertia votes against this proposal. While parents want what's best for their children, what the parents envision as the most beneficial for their offspring is not always what's actually best for the child. When it comes to education, parents rarely are a knowledgeable authority on this topic to make a qualified decision of this scale. A child's education is a child's future. Allowing parents to cripple this start because of well-intended, but misguided views is a detriment to every child's future. This proposal would enable that to happen, and as such will not receive our support."

[The Palentine]

"OOOOOOHHHHH NOOOOO!!!! We can't let....ewww....Parents have a say in their children's education!!!!! Ohhhh noooooo!!!!! How can we fill kid's skulls with leftist mush if parents might interfere?"

Watching leftists and progessives chowderheads lose their minds over this legislation is reason enough to vote FOR. The fact I and my government support the sentiments behind the legislation is pure gravy.

Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

[Great Robertia]

"OOOOOOHHHHH NOOOOO!!!! We can't let....ewww....Parents have a say in their children's education!!!!! Ohhhh noooooo!!!!! How can we fill kid's skulls with leftist mush if parents might interfere?"

Watching leftists and progessives chowderheads lose their minds over this legislation is reason enough to vote FOR. The fact I and my government support the sentiments behind the legislation is pure gravy.

Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

"Ambassador Senator, your infantile attitude is not doing you any favours. It neither inspires any sort of faith in your viewpoints if this is how you respond to ways of thinking that are different than yours."

[Honeydewistania]

"OOOOOOHHHHH NOOOOO!!!! We can't let....ewww....Parents have a say in their children's education!!!!! Ohhhh noooooo!!!!! How can we fill kid's skulls with leftist mush if parents might interfere?"

Watching leftists and progessives chowderheads lose their minds over this legislation is reason enough to vote FOR. The fact I and my government support the sentiments behind the legislation is pure gravy.

Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

"Ambassador, your infantile attitude is not doing you any favours. It neither inspires any sort of faith in your viewpoints if this is how you respond to ways of thinking that are different than yours."

*senator

[Ardiveds]

"Ambassador, the entire resolution seems to heavily enforce the right to homeschooling then comes cause d which allows government to force enrollment into schools. So what exactly is the function of the resolution now?"

[Tinhampton]

"Ambassador, the entire resolution seems to heavily enforce the right to homeschooling then comes cause d which allows government to force enrollment into schools. So what exactly is the function of the resolution now?"

Donovan: Yes, this does "enforce [a] right to homeschooling" as you say. The condition set out in Article d is a common-sense qualification of this right that, as far as I am aware, is present in many jurisdictions with legalised homeschooling.

[Squidroidia]

Squidroidia is against this. Just like 99% of this community. What a steaming load of crap.

[Comfed]

"OOOOOOHHHHH NOOOOO!!!! We can't let....ewww....Parents have a say in their children's education!!!!! Ohhhh noooooo!!!!! How can we fill kid's skulls with leftist mush if parents might interfere?"

Watching leftists and progessives chowderheads lose their minds over this legislation is reason enough to vote FOR. The fact I and my government support the sentiments behind the legislation is pure gravy.

Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

“Senator, if you only support resolutions because those with opposite viewpoints oppose it, then you only present your nation as a country that is unpleasant to interact with.”

[Marxist Germany]

"Great Robertia votes against this proposal. While parents want what's best for their children, what the parents envision as the most beneficial for their offspring is not always what's actually best for the child. When it comes to education, parents rarely are a knowledgeable authority on this topic to make a qualified decision of this scale. A child's education is a child's future. Allowing parents to cripple this start because of well-intended, but misguided views is a detriment to every child's future. This proposal would enable that to happen, and as such will not receive our support."

"As opposed to the nanny-state government determining what is good for children? Why should some grey bureaucrat know more about what is best for a child than its own parents? Unless the parents are physically abusing or neglecting the child, the state should not intervene."

[Dirty Americans]

First of all, as someone who has not been attending debates recently, I have to say that this resolution up for a vote is the biggest pile of crap that I have seen in a very long time, even though I generally completely agree with it and actually voted for it (but that was knowing that this has no chance of passage). It really needs to be refined and turned into the glorious manure that it was meant to be; allowing it to bring forth crops in abundance.

So let's look at this carefully, "the right of parents, carers and guardians ('parents') of children to direct and guarantee, with regard to their sincerely-held moral beliefs, the education of their children ..."

Yea, and? That's it? There are like a million reasons to "home school" and, believe it or not "sincerely-held moral beliefs" are probably on the bottom of that list (and can also be solved by the use of non-monopoly school systems such as overlapping charter and private schools.

In that sense, "direct and guarantee" doesn't preclude such multiple schooling choices, but then there is the preamble which seems to narrow this to homeschooling. More importantly, this isn't even a binary notion, you could have "learning pods" or "nano-schools" as it were of 10 or more students, either home schooled or under a hired teacher.

(By the way, in an article 101 reasons to Home School, here were the top 10 reasons.)

1. Kids can learn at their own pace.
2. They can study a wide variety of topics
3. Children can dig deeper into topics that interest them.
4. Kids can help create their own curriculum.
5. Younger kids learn things by watching older kids.
6. Learning can happen anytime, anywhere.
7. Kids are able to discuss and explore thoughts and ideas without fear of ridicule.
8. When they’re done with their work for the day, they’re done…no extra busy work or homework.
9. Children learn life skills – cooking, caring for others, and all the things that go along with running a home.
10. They can take frequent breaks if they need to.

So please, it's great for a preamble, but the fundamental right of a parent to freely choose the method of education that suits their children the best (which could include, if necessary homeschooling, or nano-schooling, or alternate schools) is not dependent solely on "moral beliefs." This actually hurts the argument more than it helps because things like "create their own curriculum" for example might not be covered under this resolution.

[Dirty Americans]

Watching leftists and progessives chowderheads lose their minds over this legislation is reason enough to vote FOR.

“Senator, if you only support resolutions because those with opposite viewpoints oppose it, then you only present your nation as a country that is unpleasant to interact with.”

I believe the senator said "lose their minds over it." Losing your mind also means you have lost rational debate. Given that this resolution seems "mostly harmless" I have to admit that there a sense of perverse pleasure in helping people who want to march into their own personal hell. Smart people don't "lose their mind" ... they just sigh at the stupidity of the other side. Trust me, I've done the latter on most "pro-choice" resolutions that have been debated here on the boards.

[Ardiveds]

First of all, as someone who has not been attending debates recently, I have to say that this resolution up for a vote is the biggest pile of crap that I have seen in a very long time, even though I generally completely agree with it and actually voted for it (but that was knowing that this has no chance of passage). It really needs to be refined and turned into the glorious manure that it was meant to be; allowing it to bring forth crops in abundance.

So let's look at this carefully, "the right of parents, carers and guardians ('parents') of children to direct and guarantee, with regard to their sincerely-held moral beliefs, the education of their children ..."

Yea, and? That's it? There are like a million reasons to "home school" and, believe it or not "sincerely-held moral beliefs" are probably on the bottom of that list (and can also be solved by the use of non-monopoly school systems such as overlapping charter and private schools.

In that sense, "direct and guarantee" doesn't preclude such multiple schooling choices, but then there is the preamble which seems to narrow this to homeschooling. More importantly, this isn't even a binary notion, you could have "learning pods" or "nano-schools" as it were of 10 or more students, either home schooled or under a hired teacher.

(By the way, in an article 101 reasons to Home School, here were the top 10 reasons.)

1. Kids can learn at their own pace.
2. They can study a wide variety of topics
3. Children can dig deeper into topics that interest them.
4. Kids can help create their own curriculum.
5. Younger kids learn things by watching older kids.
6. Learning can happen anytime, anywhere.
7. Kids are able to discuss and explore thoughts and ideas without fear of ridicule.
8. When they’re done with their work for the day, they’re done…no extra busy work or homework.
9. Children learn life skills – cooking, caring for others, and all the things that go along with running a home.
10. They can take frequent breaks if they need to.

So please, it's great for a preamble, but the fundamental right of a parent to freely choose the method of education that suits their children the best (which could include, if necessary homeschooling, or nano-schooling, or alternate schools) is not dependent solely on "moral beliefs." This actually hurts the argument more than it helps because things like "create their own curriculum" for example might not be covered under this resolution.

"We agree with the Dirty American delegate. His arguments are far more convincing than 'sincerely held moral beliefs' (which can be anything really)."

[Mendevia]

So I see that this bill is being clobbered in the votes, but if it is ever reintroduced then I would suggest a correction in section d. The correct spelling is enroll, not enrol. Children are our future and I believe teaching them proper spelling would improve that future.

[Refuge Isle]

"Great Robertia votes against this proposal. While parents want what's best for their children, what the parents envision as the most beneficial for their offspring is not always what's actually best for the child. When it comes to education, parents rarely are a knowledgeable authority on this topic to make a qualified decision of this scale. A child's education is a child's future. Allowing parents to cripple this start because of well-intended, but misguided views is a detriment to every child's future. This proposal would enable that to happen, and as such will not receive our support."

"As opposed to the nanny-state government determining what is good for children? Why should some grey bureaucrat know more about what is best for a child than its own parents? Unless the parents are physically abusing or neglecting the child, the state should not intervene."

"And so it should be for all aspects of child-rearing. Indeed, why should I send my child to a grey faced goon in a medical office when I know full well that a tablespoon of honey will cure my child's fever. Who knows better than I how to care for my child's health? Why, he's not even sick right now. What a myth vaccines are."

[Sanghyeok]

I do not support this legislation. "While it is indeed true that parents should have a degree of freedom in determining their children's lives (for they are of course children of the family first and foremost, and not children of the state), I cannot support this legislation. It places too much power in the hands of guardians who may not be suited to their role. All children have the right to grow and live in an environment where they are equal to their peers, and increasing pedagogical freedom will raise the risk of unfortunate outcomes where they do not receive the same education as those their age. The United Socialist Federation of Sanghyeok therefore votes against this proposal of the General Assembly. -Chairwoman of the Federation, Secretary General of the United Front, Supreme Leader of the People's Armed Forces Oomiya Sakura -社会主義連邦政府主席、統一戦線総書記、人民軍隊最高指導者 大宮 咲来

[Havl]

So I see that this bill is being clobbered in the votes, but if it is ever reintroduced then I would suggest a correction in section d. The correct spelling is enroll, not enrol. Children are our future and I believe teaching them proper spelling would improve that future.

“Enrol” is an accepted spelling.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enrol

[Tinhampton]

I do not support this legislation.

Donovan: Well... looking at this, is the Chairwoman of Sanghyeok not fully aware of Article d and its repercussions?

(OOC: White text on a cyan background hurts my eyes )

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"As opposed to the nanny-state government determining what is good for children? Why should some grey bureaucrat know more about what is best for a child than its own parents? Unless the parents are physically abusing or neglecting the child, the state should not intervene."

"And so it should be for all aspects of child-rearing. Indeed, why should I send my child to a grey faced goon in a medical office when I know full well that a tablespoon of honey will cure my child's fever. Who knows better than I how to care for my child's health? Why, he's not even sick right now. What a myth vaccines are."

Donovan: The big difference here is that vaccinations are mandatory, as is stated or implied in at least two different resolutions of this body, and are delivered by people who have more than likely gone through years of medical training that gain them specialist knowledge about the bodies of sapient beings. Sending your child to a state-run school, regardless of their circumstances or academic progress, is not... yet. Teachers usually have to go through some sort of training course as well, but the textbooks, revision guides, and such of the like themselves that teachers usually deploy are easily available to purchase - and I can recall at least some lessons where we were simply told to work out of those!

[Flarmsburg]

Ambassador, i'm not sure i'm reading this correctly, but anyone who is not an expert in any field has no right to make decisions on education

[Eluney]

First of all, as someone who has not been attending debates recently, I have to say that this resolution up for a vote is the biggest pile of crap that I have seen in a very long time, even though I generally completely agree with it and actually voted for it (but that was knowing that this has no chance of passage). It really needs to be refined and turned into the glorious manure that it was meant to be; allowing it to bring forth crops in abundance.

So let's look at this carefully, "the right of parents, carers and guardians ('parents') of children to direct and guarantee, with regard to their sincerely-held moral beliefs, the education of their children ..."

Yea, and? That's it? There are like a million reasons to "home school" and, believe it or not "sincerely-held moral beliefs" are probably on the bottom of that list (and can also be solved by the use of non-monopoly school systems such as overlapping charter and private schools.

In that sense, "direct and guarantee" doesn't preclude such multiple schooling choices, but then there is the preamble which seems to narrow this to homeschooling. More importantly, this isn't even a binary notion, you could have "learning pods" or "nano-schools" as it were of 10 or more students, either home schooled or under a hired teacher.

(By the way, in an article 101 reasons to Home School, here were the top 10 reasons.)

1. Kids can learn at their own pace.
2. They can study a wide variety of topics
3. Children can dig deeper into topics that interest them.
4. Kids can help create their own curriculum.
5. Younger kids learn things by watching older kids.
6. Learning can happen anytime, anywhere.
7. Kids are able to discuss and explore thoughts and ideas without fear of ridicule.
8. When they’re done with their work for the day, they’re done…no extra busy work or homework.
9. Children learn life skills – cooking, caring for others, and all the things that go along with running a home.
10. They can take frequent breaks if they need to.

So please, it's great for a preamble, but the fundamental right of a parent to freely choose the method of education that suits their children the best (which could include, if necessary homeschooling, or nano-schooling, or alternate schools) is not dependent solely on "moral beliefs." This actually hurts the argument more than it helps because things like "create their own curriculum" for example might not be covered under this resolution.

This Delegation agrees with the arguments of the pre-opinionated Ambassador. However, we will vote against it in the hope that this proposal will be replaced by a better quality one, which addresses the multiple reasons that may justify the right to teach youth in all existing alternative institutions.

Mr. Carlos Alejandro Herrera.
Permanent Representative of the Federal Republic of Eluney to the World Assembly.

[United States of Americanas]

How did something with typos even get through the front door? Have this document ushered to the shredder.

[Tinhampton]

Ambassador, i'm not sure i'm reading this correctly, but anyone who is not an expert in any field has no right to make decisions on education

Donovan: A student is not generally "an expert in any field." Do you argue, or even expect, that their ability to revise for exams as they please ought to be taken away, regardless of their ability or capability?

How did something with typos even get through the front door? Have this document ushered to the shredder.

Donovan: looks around, slightly bemused

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OOC: The Europeian IFV issued against this proposal provides three main arguments, none of which I am particularly satisfied by. The first - namely that "parents can do whatever they want in regards to their children's education" - is incorrect because they are bound by the constraints of prior and standing GA law regarding the curriculum that also applies to normal schools. The second implies that homeschooled children being fed "outdated and/or dangerous ideas," as if such never occurs in moral teaching provided at home in addition to regular schooling. The third is superfluous, since members are implicitly free to "track the academic progress of homeschooled students" as they see fit (regular home visits by inspectors being a prominent form of such tracking where I am), within the confines of GA law and such of the like.

[The Palentine]

"OOOOOOHHHHH NOOOOO!!!! We can't let....ewww....Parents have a say in their children's education!!!!! Ohhhh noooooo!!!!! How can we fill kid's skulls with leftist mush if parents might interfere?"

Watching leftists and progessives chowderheads lose their minds over this legislation is reason enough to vote FOR. The fact I and my government support the sentiments behind the legislation is pure gravy.

Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

“Senator, if you only support resolutions because those with opposite viewpoints oppose it, then you only present your nation as a country that is unpleasant to interact with.”

Actually Ambassador, after looking up your nation's vital statistics in the good old database for member nations here in the Festering Snakepit, I find my nation is a far more pleasant place to visit for economic and civil freedoms, than yours. Perhaps you should get out more ambassador.
See you in the Funny Papers,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

[Outer Sparta]

What is this proposal? How did it make it to quorum? Voting against due to the myriad of flaws.

[Comfed]

“Senator, if you only support resolutions because those with opposite viewpoints oppose it, then you only present your nation as a country that is unpleasant to interact with.”

Actually Ambassador, after looking up your nation's vital statistics in the good old database for member nations here in the Festering Snakepit, I find my nation is a far more pleasant place to visit for economic and civil freedoms, than yours. Perhaps you should get out more ambassador.
See you in the Funny Papers,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

"Excuse me, ambassador, but our governmental system is none of your business. And you appear to have missed my point. I was referring to Foreign Affairs dealings.
Also I am legally prohibited from leaving my country except when ordered to come here by the Ministry of Peace"