[Draft] Right to Life

[Godular]

"While I'm actually fine with this resolution as it is, I worry that its title might cause folks to respond to it in a reflexive fashion."

[Ardiveds]

"While I'm actually fine with this resolution as it is, I worry that its title might cause folks to respond to it in a reflexive fashion."

"Ambassador, this is obviously a deceptive title made to coerce supporters of capital punishment into voting for it. Sure many nations would read the actual resolution before voting but I'm certain that just as many don't have time to read what they are voting for and will vote in favour simply because of the title.

The last title was straight out lie though so its better than that atleast."

[Union of Sovereign States and Republics]

Ambassador Grigorev reads the resolution and sighs.

"While the Soviet Union has not had an execution in over 20 years, we can not in good faith vote for this resolution. It directly infringes on the Soviet justice system, which allows capital punishment for severe crimes, including terrorism, attempted and performed assassination, and first-degree murder."

[The Candy Of Bottles]

OOC: I initially thought this was an anti-choice proposal from the title. I can only assume that was intentional. Either way, I hope this crashes and burns. Hard. The stealth ban on executions is unacceptable.

[Honeydewistania]

OOC: I initially thought this was an anti-choice proposal from the title. I can only assume that was intentional. Either way, I hope this crashes and burns. Hard. The stealth ban on executions is unacceptable.

It was pretty blatant.

I’m abstain on this one

[Morover]

OOC: I feel like I should note that, should Tinfect’s proposal pass (which I imagine it will), this would not actually ban capital punishment.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

OOC: I feel like I should note that, should Tinfect’s proposal pass (which I imagine it will), this would not actually ban capital punishment.

OOC: If that bill does pass, then I do not see any way in which this would not contradict it. To Quote:

Subject to extant World Assembly legislation, bans the intentional killing of any person for recreational, punitive, or administrative purposes, except when the express and well-informed consent of the person who is being killed has been granted or as a part of hostilities involving armed forces during wartimes or similar;

Emphasis mine. This clearly refers to the death penalty, and I doubt those receiving it would be likely to consent to it. Adding to that, this doesn't even ban murder properly- I can only think of, like, one case where the killers were fully sane and did it for fun, at least in modern times. Can't remember which one off hand, but it involved a couple of rich white kids as the killers... Serial killers tend to be another case entirely.

[Bananaistan]

"This proposal works on such a tiny subset of "intentional killings" that I just don't see the point. Only a tiny handful of the "intentional killings" occuring in any reasonable nation would be covered while the generic anti-contradiction clause appears to nullify the whole thing as regards any "intentional killings" for "punitive or administrative purposes" conducted by the state. You might as well have a right to cake proposal that says people can have cake on every 200th leap day if it's not raining."

[La Xinga]

Is this banning the death penalty?

[Separatist Peoples]

Is this banning the death penalty?

"The death penalty is already effectively banned."

[La Xinga]

Is this banning the death penalty?

"The death penalty is already effectively banned."

OOC: What?

[Astrobolt]

Is this banning the death penalty?

"The death penalty is already effectively banned."

"Effectively is the key word. It is still possible, though quite difficult, for a WA state to sentence someone to death."

[Separatist Peoples]

"The death penalty is already effectively banned."

"Effectively is the key word. It is still possible, though quite difficult, for a WA state to sentence someone to death."

OOC: It is not possible for a compliant nation to carry out the sentence, however.

[Flying Eagles]

"Effectively is the key word. It is still possible, though quite difficult, for a WA state to sentence someone to death."

OOC: It is not possible for a compliant nation to carry out the sentence, however.

OOC: Could a complaint nation deport someone to another country to carry out the sentence without this resolution?

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: It is not possible for a compliant nation to carry out the sentence, however.

OOC: Could a complaint nation deport someone to another country to carry out the sentence without this resolution?

OOC: I don't know for sure. I don't think so, but I can't give you a firm answer on that one without some research.


EDIT:

Member nations shall not extradite, except to World Assembly judicial institutions or jurisdictions without capital punishment, any person charged or likely to be charged with a capital offence. Nor shall any person be extradited to a place likely to commence judicial proceedings, which would contravene World Assembly legislation, against that person.

No.

[Confused No Name]

OOC: Could a complaint nation deport someone to another country to carry out the sentence without this resolution?

OOC: I don't know for sure. I don't think so, but I can't give you a firm answer on that one without some research.


EDIT:

Member nations shall not extradite, except to World Assembly judicial institutions or jurisdictions without capital punishment, any person charged or likely to be charged with a capital offence. Nor shall any person be extradited to a place likely to commence judicial proceedings, which would contravene World Assembly legislation, against that person.

No.

Thanks

[Morover]

OOC: Given that this has failed to reach quorum, I have edited the contents of the draft to more adequately achieve the intentions of the proposal.

[Kenmoria]

OOC: Given that this has failed to reach quorum, I have edited the contents of the draft to more adequately achieve the intentions of the proposal.

(OOC: It might be worth having a look at the title as a possible reason for this failing to reach quorum. Although it is funny, the joke might not be understood by all delegates.)

[Morover]

OOC: Given that this has failed to reach quorum, I have edited the contents of the draft to more adequately achieve the intentions of the proposal.

(OOC: It might be worth having a look at the title as a possible reason for this failing to reach quorum. Although it is funny, the joke might not be understood by all delegates.)

OOC: I tend to agree, unfortunately. I'll keep it for now and change it at some point in the future.

[Araraukar]

OOC: It is not possible for a compliant nation to carry out the sentence, however.

OOC: It is. And without any RP shenanigans, too.

[Ardiveds]

OOC: It is not possible for a compliant nation to carry out the sentence, however.

OOC: It is. And without any RP shenanigans, too.

OOC: Freak accidents?