[PASSED] Access to Abortion

[Godular]

“I’m certain with the funds provided by you due to the fines and sanctions that we could afford a substantial and non-ironic awards ceremony, were we ever to be inclined in that direction.”

"I assure you that you will find the value of the the quantity of turnips more than sufficient."

“Indeed! The costs of transporting that much vegetation must be amusing. Turnips or otherwise, you’re losing resources that could be better spent elsewhere. The resources would be better spent in simply being compliant and working to ensure that families never feel driven to such recourse.”

[Ardiveds]

While we are disappointed that this resolution includes unlimited abortions of already viable fetuses, we will instead focus our efforts on socioeconomic supports for families to hopefully make abortion less necessary in these cases. We will also focus on presenting alternative solutions to these families, such as adoption.

"You know you could use the viability of those viable foetuses to avoid killing them while also being compliant. Let us be realistic, how many women actually decide to terminate their pregnancy after the third trimerster begins?"

[The New California Republic]

While we are disappointed that this resolution includes unlimited abortions of already viable fetuses, we will instead focus our efforts on socioeconomic supports for families to hopefully make abortion less necessary in these cases. We will also focus on presenting alternative solutions to these families, such as adoption.

"You know you could use the viability of those viable foetuses to avoid killing them while also being compliant. Let us be realistic, how many women actually decide to terminate their pregnancy after the third trimerster begins?"

Likely very few. The latest NCR statistics show that the vast majority of domestic patients and visitors to the NCR who have an abortion do so before 18 weeks: 95%+.

[Christian Democrats]

Why fund maternity care, childcare, education, and social services for indigent children when you can just kill them, right?

A fetus is not a child. A child has been born, a fetus, by definition, has not.

The definition of child includes individuals who have not been born yet.

Merriam-Webster
child, noun
3a: an unborn or recently born person
// Meghan Markle, married Prince Harry, now pregnant with child.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

Apparently, Prince Harry was pregnant at some point. No matter.

In English, the original meaning of child is a "fetus, infant, unborn or newly born person."

https://www.etymonline.com/word/child

Of course, the dictionary is not the arbiter of personhood. But there is something particularly Orwellian about trying to exclude from the definition of child the class of persons to whom that term originally applied -- i.e., people in the womb or recently born.

[Wallenburg]

Good to finally have conclusive proof that the WA has zero respect for national sovereignty.

Why don't you just abolish individual nations?

That's still a few steps out from where we are now.

[The New California Republic]

A fetus is not a child. A child has been born, a fetus, by definition, has not.

The definition of child includes individuals who have not been born yet.

Merriam-Webster
child, noun
3a: an unborn or recently born person
// Meghan Markle, married Prince Harry, now pregnant with child.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

Apparently, Prince Harry was pregnant at some point. No matter.

In English, the original meaning of child is a "fetus, infant, unborn or newly born person."

https://www.etymonline.com/word/child

Of course, the dictionary is not the arbiter of personhood. But there is something particularly Orwellian about trying to exclude from the definition of child the class of persons to whom that term originally applied -- i.e., people in the womb or recently born.

While I'd love to tear this argument to ribbons I won't, because there is an abortion thread for discussing that sort of thing. Hint hint.

[Godular]

A fetus is not a child. A child has been born, a fetus, by definition, has not.

The definition of child includes individuals who have not been born yet.

Merriam-Webster
child, noun
3a: an unborn or recently born person
// Meghan Markle, married Prince Harry, now pregnant with child.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

Apparently, Prince Harry was pregnant at some point. No matter.

In English, the original meaning of child is a "fetus, infant, unborn or newly born person."

https://www.etymonline.com/word/child

Of course, the dictionary is not the arbiter of personhood. But there is something particularly Orwellian about trying to exclude from the definition of child the class of persons to whom that term originally applied -- i.e., people in the womb or recently born.

Howdy-do! If you wish to debate that kind of thing, there is a thread for doing so!

[Auze]

"I assure you that you will find the value of the the quantity of turnips more than sufficient."

“Indeed! The costs of transporting that much vegetation must be amusing. Turnips or otherwise, you’re losing resources that could be better spent elsewhere. The resources would be better spent in simply being compliant and working to ensure that families never feel driven to such recourse.”

"I wouldn't worry about that, we have very cheap transport service. We also give out many form of contraception for free and have established social services that effectively help those in need. The country needs well-raised men (Note: in Auzean, "men" is almost always gender neutral) to keep things running, after all. But we thank you for your compassion towards our fine nation nonetheless."

[Heavens Reach]

A fetus is not a child. A child has been born, a fetus, by definition, has not.

The definition of child includes individuals who have not been born yet.

Merriam-Webster
child, noun
3a: an unborn or recently born person
// Meghan Markle, married Prince Harry, now pregnant with child.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

Apparently, Prince Harry was pregnant at some point. No matter.

In English, the original meaning of child is a "fetus, infant, unborn or newly born person."

https://www.etymonline.com/word/child

Of course, the dictionary is not the arbiter of personhood. But there is something particularly Orwellian about trying to exclude from the definition of child the class of persons to whom that term originally applied -- i.e., people in the womb or recently born.

We won't debate the content of your beliefs here, except to say that dictionaries only define words in terms of their possible uses, and not the appropriateness of using those words in different contexts. And what you're trying to do, besides, is evoke emotions by conflating the word "child," as it is generally used, in reference to something that looks like this:

With its less common use, as something that looks like this:

(Which is a picture of an elephant by the way). So, yeah, if your argument relies on an appeal to emotion that further relies on looking for support from a dictionary, your argument is already in serious trouble.

[Union of Sovereign States and Republics]

The definition of child includes individuals who have not been born yet.

Merriam-Webster
child, noun
3a: an unborn or recently born person
// Meghan Markle, married Prince Harry, now pregnant with child.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

Apparently, Prince Harry was pregnant at some point. No matter.

In English, the original meaning of child is a "fetus, infant, unborn or newly born person."

https://www.etymonline.com/word/child

Of course, the dictionary is not the arbiter of personhood. But there is something particularly Orwellian about trying to exclude from the definition of child the class of persons to whom that term originally applied -- i.e., people in the womb or recently born.

We won't debate the content of your beliefs here, except to say that dictionaries only define words in terms of their possible uses, and not the appropriateness of using those words in different contexts. And what you're trying to do, besides, is evoke emotions by conflating the word "child," as it is generally used, in reference to something that looks like this:

With its less common use, as something that looks like this:

(Which is a picture of an elephant by the way). So, yeah, if your argument relies on an appeal to emotion that further relies on looking for support from a dictionary, your argument is already in serious trouble.

OOC: Use the other thread. Please.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

"This merely reinforces the current status quo as opposed to changing it."

Got a dictionary handy? Because I'm pretty sure that "reinforces the status quo" does NOT mean "passing a purely punitive measure obliging nations to also pay for, as opposed to simply legalizing, a procedure, just because a few countries (unwisely) chose to declare themselves in noncompliance with a resolution."

Bad RP in no way poses a threat to the WA's sovereignty. This measure was entirely unnecessary.

[Separatist Peoples]

"This merely reinforces the current status quo as opposed to changing it."

Got a dictionary handy? Because I'm pretty sure that "reinforces the status quo" does NOT mean "passing a purely punitive measure obliging nations to also pay for, as opposed to simply legalizing, a procedure, just because a few countries (unwisely) chose to declare themselves in noncompliance with a resolution."

Bad RP in no way poses a threat to the WA's sovereignty. This measure was entirely unnecessary.

OOC: Woe to the conquered.

[WayNeacTia]

This measure was entirely unnecessary.

Meh... It seems like one of the better blockers I've seen in quite a while. While unnecessary, it has effectively sealed off the topic of abortion.

[La Xinga]

This measure was entirely unnecessary.

Meh... It seems like one of the better blockers I've seen in quite a while. While unnecessary, it has effectively sealed off the topic of abortion.

Indeed, but some people create alliances and don't comply, while others find loopholes.

[Tarsonis]

"This merely reinforces the current status quo as opposed to changing it."

Got a dictionary handy? Because I'm pretty sure that "reinforces the status quo" does NOT mean "passing a purely punitive measure obliging nations to also pay for, as opposed to simply legalizing, a procedure, just because a few countries (unwisely) chose to declare themselves in noncompliance with a resolution."

Bad RP in no way poses a threat to the WA's sovereignty. This measure was entirely unnecessary.

Please, there's a reason only 10% of nations actually belong to the WA, and we all know why.

[Tarsonis]

Meh... It seems like one of the better blockers I've seen in quite a while. While unnecessary, it has effectively sealed off the topic of abortion.

Indeed, but some people create alliances and don't comply, while others find loopholes.

Like the fact that my nation is 2 years fastest travel from any of the centers so compliance is ultimately impossible.

[Separatist Peoples]

Got a dictionary handy? Because I'm pretty sure that "reinforces the status quo" does NOT mean "passing a purely punitive measure obliging nations to also pay for, as opposed to simply legalizing, a procedure, just because a few countries (unwisely) chose to declare themselves in noncompliance with a resolution."

Bad RP in no way poses a threat to the WA's sovereignty. This measure was entirely unnecessary.

Please, there's a reason only 10% of nations actually belong to the WA, and we all know why.

OOC: Yes, puppets.

[Tarsonis]

Please, there's a reason only 10% of nations actually belong to the WA, and we all know why.

OOC: Yes, puppets.

I'd say that get's you an additional 40%.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Yes, puppets.

I'd say that get's you an additional 40%.

OOC: Hey, 50% aint bad.

[WayNeacTia]

Meh... It seems like one of the better blockers I've seen in quite a while. While unnecessary, it has effectively sealed off the topic of abortion.

Indeed, but some people create alliances and don't comply, while others find loopholes.

People that choose to rp non-compliance feel it in the end.

[La Xinga]

Indeed, but some people create alliances and don't comply, while others find loopholes.

People that choose to rp non-compliance feel it in the end.

Feel it in the end?

[Tarsonis]

I'd say that get's you an additional 40%.

OOC: Hey, 50% aint bad.

No you still only have 10% of nations, those other 40% are just in limbo. So it's 50% to 10%. And most WA players only use it for Raiding/Defending. The number of players who actually take the legislation aspect seriously,...eh well, there's you... and a smattering of others.

[Separatist Peoples]

People that choose to rp non-compliance feel it in the end.

Feel it in the end?

OOC: The compliance mechanisms in the GA are, ICly speaking, extremely harsh for 99% of nations.

OOC: Hey, 50% aint bad.

No you still only have 10% of nations, those other 40% are just in limbo. So it's 50% to 10%. And most WA players only use it for Raiding/Defending. The number of players who actually take the legislation aspect seriously,...eh well, there's you... and a smattering of others.

OOC: This is not news to us. Its one of the reasons the GA's roleplay is so extremely specialized. If this was an attempt at a gotchya, you missed it by 15 years.

[WayNeacTia]

OOC: Hey, 50% aint bad.

No you still only have 10% of nations, those other 40% are just in limbo. So it's 50% to 10%. And most WA players only use it for Raiding/Defending. The number of players who actually take the legislation aspect seriously,...eh well, there's you... and a smattering of others.

Then why are you bothering to post here?

[La Xinga]

Feel it in the end?

OOC: The compliance mechanisms in the GA are, ICly speaking, extremely harsh for 99% of nations.

OOC: What mechanisms, and what harshness?