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Haivon
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Minimum Wage Guarantee

Postby Haivon » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:19 pm

I'm with a proposal in mind and I want you all to have a say.

Social Justice - Mild

World Assembly,

Noting that many people are still in bad state of living;

Confirming that people are not receiving their reward of days of hard work;

Hereby declares:

1.All workers must receive their salary every month,
a. Employers which disrespect this rule won't be able to keep their establishment;

2. All workers will have an minimum wage determined by the state which is going to be watched regularly by other Nations,
a. As with law 1, employers will lose their establishments if they break this rule,
b. The Nation's Minimum Wage will be decided according to the Nation's Economy, Inflation, Unemployment, Average Income and other factors;
c.The Minimum Wage can change with time by the same reasons of law 2b.

3. Member nations/establishments without ability to comply this Law because of internal motives will receive international/government help,
a. Help will not compulsory.

Thanks to Dorab in helping me with correcting some words and giving me some ideas to add and change in it.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:12 pm

First. It's a large liquidity cost to require disbursement of payroll on a daily basis, especially among firms which receive money only upon completion of service or contract. 'Regularly' would be preferable.

Second. Minimum wages at high enough levels cause unemployment. Best evidence suggests they operate without unemployment effects mostly by firms raising prices to match. Unemployment effects are largest in industries with little ability to pass costs. They are smallest in monopsonistic labour markets and in industries able to pass costs easily.

Third. Minimum standards of living are already guaranteed by the WA.

Fourth. Minimum wages set over large disparate labour markets produce large negative effects to areas with low human capital or labour productivity. Eg London and rural Northumbria.

Fifth. This proposal touches a small topic and ought be classified as Mild.

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Postby Haivon » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:23 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:First. It's a large liquidity cost to require disbursement of payroll on a daily basis, especially among firms which receive money only upon completion of service or contract. 'Regularly' would be preferable.

Second. Minimum wages at high enough levels cause unemployment. Best evidence suggests they operate without unemployment effects mostly by firms raising prices to match. Unemployment effects are largest in industries with little ability to pass costs. They are smallest in monopsonistic labour markets and in industries able to pass costs easily.

Third. Minimum standards of living are already guaranteed by the WA.

Fourth. Minimum wages set over large disparate labour markets produce large negative effects to areas with low human capital or labour productivity. Eg London and rural Northumbria.

Fifth. This proposal touches a small topic and ought be classified as Mild.

Thanks. I'm seeing what I can change.

Edited. Thank you very much for the advises.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:54 pm

"Welcome to the World Assembly, ambassador. There was a time when this sort of legislation was helpful, even direly needed. However I'm unsure what makes a minimum wage, separate from the already existing guaranteed minimum standard of living, necessary. You'll need to spend much of your preamble asserting your case for why it's needed in light of the extant GAR #344."
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:02 pm

OOC post.

Haivon wrote:1.All workers must receive their salary every day,

IA already tried to tell you this, but basically this is a bad idea. Not just in cases of his example, where the employer might be, let's say, a building company, and won't receive money for job done every day. Also, this would be a HUGE mess bureaucractically, because in most nations the employers also need to make sure the government gets their share (taxes and other payments), and some of the individual's pay might go to a labour union, or to pay debts and so forth. If you have to do that 30 days a month, you're going to need several persons doing nothing else but keeping tabs on the money flow - in small companies you might need more money handlers than you have actual workers. Doing the same just once or twice a month is much less total effort.

Your suggestion would basically only work if taxes didn't exist and people were hired for a day at a time.

a. Employers which disrespect this rule won't be able to keep their establishment;

What is an "establishment"? If you're going to use vague terms, you need to define them. Also, the state can't take away someone's property (like a business) and not pay them for what it's worth, so you can't just have them lose what they own. And in any case how would that make it easier for the workers to get their earnings?

2. All workers will have an minimum wage determined by the government

Why the government (which normally consists of ministers and such, who are politicians and in nations with elections, have a habit of getting changed) and not the state (which is the "operating system" of a nation)?

(or not, in case of anarchy)

All WA resolutions must apply evenly to all WA nations. And even anarchistic states need to have something that functions as a "state", so it makes even less sense to tie this into the government.

which is going to be watched regularly by other Nations,

The minimum wage or the government/state? Also, this isn't how WA law works. The other nations would have no power interfering with the inner workings of another nation.

a. As with law 1, employers will lose their establishments if they break this rule,

Even when the employer is the state? Otherwise see my comments on clause one.

b. The Nation's Minimum Wage will be decided according to the Nation's Economy, Inflation, Unemployment, Average Income and other factors;

...decided by who? The government? And saying "according to" doesn't actually give any idea of exactly what factors have what effect. A nation with high unemployment rates might have shoddy average income (the existing minimum standards resolution lets nations require people work for the barest minimum) and decide to push their minimum wages way down, even if their economy was doing fine and inflation wasn't too high. Or would high inflation raise or lower the minimum income? You'd be better off leaving out anything after "decided" and instead focus on what the minimum income must include. Like, are we talking of a living wage? Wage slavery? What? Maybe a high minimum wage is the reason why they have so much unemployment?

c.The Minimum Wage can change with time by the same reasons of law 2b.

And this is the icing on the cake. Because why not make inscrutable also mutable?

3. Member nations/establishments without ability to comply this Law because of internal motives will receive international/government help,

You need to open this into two separate clauses, one that's about the WA and the nations, and one that's about the businesses and the state.

a. The WA will select the nations with ability to help these Nations,

That is not how the WA works. Remember the "all resolutions apply evenly to all nations" thing?

b. Help is not compulsory.

It is if you write it into a resolution.
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Postby Wind Flower » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:38 am

Here in Wind Flower, we believe that hard work should be met with a valid reward. Whether that be money, a service, or an object, the worker at hand should be satisfied with putting in hard work if they receive the given reward. This reward should be spoken of prior to engaging in activity and both sides of the parties can discuss whether the reward is adequate for the amount of work being put in. We believe in being fair and loyal and upfront and ensuring that all members of a negotiation are satisfied and happy!

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Postby The COT Corporation » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:32 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"Welcome to the World Assembly, ambassador.

"Welcome indeed, it's good to have you here. I agree with the Sierran ambassador, however - the proposal isn't of as much use as it once would have been. Due to https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolutions/council=1/start=343, most of this is covered. However, there are some ideas for other proposals here: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=463504."
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