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[Draft]Rights of Civilian Militias Act

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[Draft]Rights of Civilian Militias Act

Postby Aleciton Lands » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:54 am

The World Assembly,

Recognizing that war between nations is ultimately inevitable.

Further recognizing that not all combatants within a conflict are going to be privately contracted, or state run military groups.

Appalled that measures have not been previously taken to ensure the rights of Civilian Militias.

Defines Civilian Militia as any armed group composed of mostly unprofessional combatants or former combatants, established with the intent to fight against or alongside a specific private military corporation or state belligerent in a conflict, whose purpose is to help end the conflict without the intentional harming of civilians, who receive no funding direct funding from governments or private military corporations.

Recognizes members of these militias as combatants.

Mandates that nations who capture combatants fighting within militias treat said prisoners as prisoners of war, not criminals.

Guarantees civilian militiamen captured by opposing forces the same rights as prisoners of war.

Mandates that governments who capture militiamen rebelling against them treat the prisoners as prisoners of war.

Prohibits nations from criminally charging captured militiamen.

Further mandates that captured militiamen are released from custody and sent home following the conclusion of a conflict that they participated in.

Requires that civilian militias obey the rules of war, and that militiamen who break such rules are charged as war criminals.

Any suggestions to improve the resolution?

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Postby McNernia » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:55 am

One could say that insurgents are a civilian militia.
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Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:57 am

millitas varry, i would know that millitas are vital to some nations defence...

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Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:58 am

but there does need to be a difference between millita and insurgents.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:24 am

The united American-Isreali empire wrote:but there does need to be a difference between millita and insurgents.

"Uniformed militia are already entitled to protections. Uninformed militia are no different than insurgents, and are afforded no protections. Nor should they."

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Postby Verdant Haven » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:06 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
The united American-Isreali empire wrote:but there does need to be a difference between millita and insurgents.

"Uniformed militia are already entitled to protections. Uninformed militia are no different than insurgents, and are afforded no protections. Nor should they."


"Agreed entirely. The draft as presently written extends protections to every domestic terrorist and anti-government whack-job, at the expense of all sanity, security, and order. The laws of war are clear in their distinction between regular and irregular forces for a reason. One is either a lawful combatant or a civilian - not both."
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Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:18 pm

Verdant Haven wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Uniformed militia are already entitled to protections. Uninformed militia are no different than insurgents, and are afforded no protections. Nor should they."


"Agreed entirely. The draft as presently written extends protections to every domestic terrorist and anti-government whack-job, at the expense of all sanity, security, and order. The laws of war are clear in their distinction between regular and irregular forces for a reason. One is either a lawful combatant or a civilian - not both."


yes the uaie has millita as volenteer, now theres other defence forces but reguardless all forces have UNIFORMS for the most part.

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Postby Mageek » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:22 pm

Verdant Haven wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Uniformed militia are already entitled to protections. Uninformed militia are no different than insurgents, and are afforded no protections. Nor should they."


"Agreed entirely. The draft as presently written extends protections to every domestic terrorist and anti-government whack-job, at the expense of all sanity, security, and order. The laws of war are clear in their distinction between regular and irregular forces for a reason. One is either a lawful combatant or a civilian - not both."


I mean, it does mention that they have to follow the laws of war, and as such you could still charge them with war crimes.

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Postby McNernia » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:40 pm

I think he is implying the Home Guard sort of things have rights.
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Postby Liberimery » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:16 pm

Not to mention that private corporate para-military are Mercenaries not Militia which are irregular military, often mustered by private citizens to defend their home.

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Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:17 am

Liberimery wrote:Not to mention that private corporate para-military are Mercenaries not Militia which are irregular military, often mustered by private citizens to defend their home.

they deserve protection, just saying.

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Postby BlackLight Covenant » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:26 am

"That's a rather broad definition of the concept of a civilian militia that you have established here, ambassador; broad enough, in fact, that it seems to include insurrectionists fighting against the military forces of whatever nation their organization happens to originate from, which would be quite unfortunate for any member state of the World Assembly that wishes to prosecute insurrectionists for, say, acts of treason, or other similar reasons, as such a prosecution would be illegal under your proposal in its current state. Not to mention that sending former insurrectionists home after having captured them seems rather...counterproductive."

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:29 pm

The united American-Isreali empire wrote:
Liberimery wrote:Not to mention that private corporate para-military are Mercenaries not Militia which are irregular military, often mustered by private citizens to defend their home.

they deserve protection, just saying.

"If your militia wants protection under extant laws of war, your militia should wear uniforms and identify themselves as military combatants. Otherwise, they are nothing more than insurgents, and ought be dispatched accordingly, ambassador."

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Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:42 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
The united American-Isreali empire wrote:they deserve protection, just saying.

"If your militia wants protection under extant laws of war, your militia should wear uniforms and identify themselves as military combatants. Otherwise, they are nothing more than insurgents, and ought be dispatched accordingly, ambassador."


a contract could cover them, all uaie forces have uniforms but private ententes may hire outside. but in general uniforms are a must.

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Postby Araraukar » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:49 pm

The united American-Isreali empire wrote:a contract could cover them, all uaie forces have uniforms but private ententes may hire outside. but in general uniforms are a must.

OOC: Are you incapable of using capital letters? I can't tell if "uaie" is supposed to be an abbreviation or if a cat walked across the keyboard.
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Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:50 pm

ooc:i am sorry didnt notice that

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Postby Terttia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:16 pm

Araraukar wrote:
The united American-Isreali empire wrote:a contract could cover them, all uaie forces have uniforms but private ententes may hire outside. but in general uniforms are a must.

OOC: Are you incapable of using capital letters? I can't tell if "uaie" is supposed to be an abbreviation or if a cat walked across the keyboard.

I think it’s an abbreviation of their nation name without the beginning “The”.
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Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:28 pm

Terttia wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Are you incapable of using capital letters? I can't tell if "uaie" is supposed to be an abbreviation or if a cat walked across the keyboard.

I think it’s an abbreviation of their nation name without the beginning “The”.


ooc: it is, its easier to do

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Postby Araraukar » Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:09 pm

Terttia wrote:I think it’s an abbreviation of their nation name without the beginning “The”.
The united American-Isreali empire wrote:ooc: it is, its easier to do

OOC: Even then there should be two capital letters. Every device you can type here on, can do capital letters, so there's no excuse other than laziness. Nobody's in such a hurry to post here that they couldn't hit the shift even on smartphone screen. It just annoys me. A lot. It's like trying to have a serious adult conversation with someone and them saying all their dialogue in babytalk. Makes it difficult to take anything they say as anything other but intentional vittuilu, even if they had good ideas.

This isn't Discord. This isn't texting. Take your time to write your posts - you can even save a draft if you're in a hurry, to continue on it later. It makes you appear more professional and makes it easier to tell if you're talking in IC (most people use quote marks to denote things actually said by their characters, too) or OOCly (as you the RL person who plays the game called NationStates). Right now it comes off as "I can't be arsed to take posting here seriously enough to check my spelling or use capital letters", which makes you appear unprofessional and immature.

EDIT: Same goes for the bit of punctuation that turns "its" into "it's". That actually changes word meanings, so it looks like a typo additionally.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:57 pm

The united American-Isreali empire wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"If your militia wants protection under extant laws of war, your militia should wear uniforms and identify themselves as military combatants. Otherwise, they are nothing more than insurgents, and ought be dispatched accordingly, ambassador."


a contract could cover them, all uaie forces have uniforms but private ententes may hire outside. but in general uniforms are a must.

"Good for them, ambassador. The WA does not care about the method in which you have accounted for uniforms. Uninformed militia do not receive, and should not receive, protections as lawful combatants. Asserting as much would be asinine."

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Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:03 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
The united American-Isreali empire wrote:
a contract could cover them, all uaie forces have uniforms but private ententes may hire outside. but in general uniforms are a must.

"Good for them, ambassador. The WA does not care about the method in which you have accounted for uniforms. Uninformed militia do not receive, and should not receive, protections as lawful combatants. Asserting as much would be asinine."


well sir we in the UAIE government have uniforms for all ranks in government business. we refer to those who hire folks in dire situations where help is needed, this is seldom used due to the fact the population usually has what it needs. we refer to those populations whom are desperate and need help, we just would like to state there are cases where it is a exemptions to this rule. HOWEVER if its insurgents/partisans then this rule would apply. we just present there is a case for this sir. we are pleased to debate these merits.

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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:22 pm

The united American-Isreali empire wrote:due to the fact the population usually has what it needs

OOC: If they need uniforms and they have uniforms, then all that means is that they should wear the uniforms to not be labelled terrorist-wannabes.
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Us cosmopolitan hammers
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Hence us attacking
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