[DEFEATED] Repeal 'Ban on Secret Treaties'

[Maowi]

The Most Serene Republic votes for the Repeal, because how exactly would you know about a secret treaty if it is secret? It’s like a ban on developing nuclear fuel, but then giving the nation developing said fuel the sole discretion of how to reveal said nuclear development and telling the nation developing nuclear material ahead of time that your inspectors are going to be visiting and where.

(OOC: WA gnomes work out whether or not nations are in compliance. Although there isn’t really a mechanism for this to happen, it’s just assumed that this occurs through some gnomic method.)

OOC: Also, presumably the treaty results in some sort of new interaction between its signatories so it wouldn't be entirely impossible to spot ...

[Aclion]

(OOC: WA gnomes work out whether or not nations are in compliance. Although there isn’t really a mechanism for this to happen, it’s just assumed that this occurs through some gnomic method.)

OOC: Also, presumably the treaty results in some sort of new interaction between its signatories so it wouldn't be entirely impossible to spot ...

the gnomes see everything. They rummage through documents. they hang around under furniture while we have meetings. It's like having roaches.

[Lord Dominator]

OOC: You said Feeder earlier, not GCR. Goalpost moving much?

All those words invented by Gameplayers for themselves are complicated, and I'm not really involved with that side of the game enough to care

OOC: Invented by admin actually

[Kranostav]

I'm glad we have an understanding!

Not even going to deny it, just a "well I'm glad we agree!!" to an obviously sarcastic post. Not that I'd expect anything else, of course

It's more of my lack of ability to take your statement seriously. But hey, whatever makes the tinfoil hat look good.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

All those words invented by Gameplayers for themselves are complicated, and I'm not really involved with that side of the game enough to care

OOC: Invented by admin actually

what's the difference?

Not even going to deny it, just a "well I'm glad we agree!!" to an obviously sarcastic post. Not that I'd expect anything else, of course

It's more of my lack of ability to take your statement seriously. But hey, whatever makes the tinfoil hat look good.

"tinfoil hat"

[YOGANANDA]

It's excluding and not inclusive of the debate in question...

It says EXCLUDING MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS AND FELINE ANIMALS.

[Maowi]

It's excluding and not inclusive of the debate in question...

It says EXCLUDING MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS AND FELINE ANIMALS.

OOC: Nope ... it says "excluding pluralisations," with a comma before it starts talking about weapons and felines. The "excluding" is just saying that the definition only applies when "secret treaty" is used in the singular.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: that kinda undercuts your prior points.

Not really

OOC: If you aren't involved with the game enough to know the various terms, then its hard to take your arguments as those of somebody with great experience and knowledge on the matter.

[Lord Dominator]

OOC: Invented by admin actually

what's the difference?

OOC: Admins are not Gameplayers, and by virtue of their status really can't be Gameplayers.

Plus, in this case there being more GCRs than just Feeders goes back to 2003, when there wasn't really a coherent Gameplay.

OOC: Also, presumably the treaty results in some sort of new interaction between its signatories so it wouldn't be entirely impossible to spot ...

the gnomes see everything. They rummage through documents. they hang around under furniture while we have meetings. It's like having roaches.

"And they keep stealing my vodka."

[Munkcestrian Republic]

what's the difference?

OOC: Admins are not Gameplayers, and by virtue of their status really can't be Gameplayers.

Plus, in this case there being more GCRs than just Feeders goes back to 2003, when there wasn't really a coherent Gameplay.

I'll consider admins Gameplayers until they allow us to force you to RP

[WayNeacTia]

OOC: Admins are not Gameplayers, and by virtue of their status really can't be Gameplayers.

Plus, in this case there being more GCRs than just Feeders goes back to 2003, when there wasn't really a coherent Gameplay.

I'll consider admins Gameplayers until they allow us to force you to RP

Do you possess the ability to not derail threads?

[Blueflarst]

Hi to my friends of the Federation of Conservative Nations whom voted in the senate my exile. I do not blame you i knew it would happen at any moment because the region has always been filled with political intrigues to kick the opposer side.

Concerning this repeal i am going to support you, because the well designed ban is a restriction of national freedoms of each country in favour of those whom control the mass media of big nations and brainwash the rest.

A secret treaty regarding anythng done for two nations can be very productive and should not be forbidden for the secret of it.
The only limit should be the laws of those estates, secrets are useful especially when the majority of the stupid brainwashed population can not reason a good agreement in profit of two nations for ideological and religious differences.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I'll consider admins Gameplayers until they allow us to force you to RP

Do you possess the ability to not derail threads?

Why are you accusing me of derailing threads?

[Araraukar]

Do you possess the ability to not derail threads?

Why are you accusing me of derailing threads?

OOC: Because that seems to be the only thing you do. This proposal and forum both have nothing to do with GamePlay.

[Kenmoria]

Concerning this repeal i am going to support you, because the well designed ban is a restriction of national freedoms of each country in favour of those whom control the mass media of big nations and brainwash the rest.

(OOC: Could you explain this point? I can’t see any relation between the target resolution and mass media.)

[New Waldensia]

Extremely close vote at the moment.

[Kranostav]

Extremely close vote at the moment.

I'm curious. In order to keep logically consistent, are you going to start repealing every other resolution with a joke in it or? I'm just surprised by people's sudden disdain for humor while simultaneously ignoring the history of humor in the WA.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

3,561 individual members voting FOR.

2,556 individual members voting AGAINST.

If this fails, this is yet another example of why we need to crush delegate voting power and let the PEOPLE rule.

[Separatist Peoples]

3,561 individual members voting FOR.

2,556 individual members voting AGAINST.

If this fails, this is yet another example of why we need to crush delegate voting power and let the PEOPLE rule.

"If individual nations wish to give their regional delegates less power, ambassador, they have but to withdraw their endorsement."

[Wallenburg]

3,561 individual members voting FOR.

2,556 individual members voting AGAINST.

If this fails, this is yet another example of why we need to crush delegate voting power and let the PEOPLE rule.

Conveniently waving away 4 days worth of lemming effect, I see.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

3,561 individual members voting FOR.

2,556 individual members voting AGAINST.

If this fails, this is yet another example of why we need to crush delegate voting power and let the PEOPLE rule.

"If individual nations wish to give their regional delegates less power, ambassador, they have but to withdraw their endorsement."

Unfortunately, many regions threaten their residents if they don't endorse the delegate while being a WA member.

3,561 individual members voting FOR.

2,556 individual members voting AGAINST.

If this fails, this is yet another example of why we need to crush delegate voting power and let the PEOPLE rule.

Conveniently waving away 4 days worth of lemming effect, I see.

There's no such thing as the "lemming effect".

[Maowi]

3,561 individual members voting FOR.

2,556 individual members voting AGAINST.

If this fails, this is yet another example of why we need to crush delegate voting power and let the PEOPLE rule.

OOC: There are so many individual WA members who have no idea what the resolutions they vote on really do because they don't follow the discussions in the GA forum and don't bother finding out how it interacts with passed resolutions that it makes sense to give more weight to certain individuals' votes who are more likely to understand what's going on because it's kind of their responsibility. Of course there's no guarantee the delegate is any more informed than the individual voter, but as a crude method - with not really much scope for improvement given the nature of the game - it's fairly effective.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

3,561 individual members voting FOR.

2,556 individual members voting AGAINST.

If this fails, this is yet another example of why we need to crush delegate voting power and let the PEOPLE rule.

OOC: There are so many individual WA members who have no idea what the resolutions they vote on really do because they don't follow the discussions in the GA forum and don't bother finding out how it interacts with passed resolutions that it makes sense to give more weight to certain individuals' votes who are more likely to understand what's going on because it's kind of their responsibility. Of course there's no guarantee the delegate is any more informed than the individual voter, but as a crude method - with not really much scope for improvement given the nature of the game - it's fairly effective.

Why should they follow the discussions on this forum? There's not much discussion, just the same old people being shitty to those they disagree with or simply don't like.

[Kranostav]

Conveniently waving away 4 days worth of lemming effect, I see.

There's no such thing as the "lemming effect".

That's exactly what a lemming would say!

[Maowi]

OOC: There are so many individual WA members who have no idea what the resolutions they vote on really do because they don't follow the discussions in the GA forum and don't bother finding out how it interacts with passed resolutions that it makes sense to give more weight to certain individuals' votes who are more likely to understand what's going on because it's kind of their responsibility. Of course there's no guarantee the delegate is any more informed than the individual voter, but as a crude method - with not really much scope for improvement given the nature of the game - it's fairly effective.

Why should they follow the discussions on this forum? There's not much discussion, just the same old people being shitty to those they disagree with or simply don't like.

OOC: There's a lot of constructive discussion that goes on here amid all the snarky IC comments