[DEFEATED] Repeal 'Ban on Secret Treaties'

[New Waldensia]

This is now in queue.

[Kenmoria]

“Since I have now been made aware of the fact that the joke lacks any actual effect, I can’t see the necessity of a repeal. Therefore, this mission opposes this repeal, on the basis of there being no actual legislative flaws in the targeted resolution.”

[Wallenburg]

If you can't take a joke, don't join the World Assembly.

[New Waldensia]

If you can't take a joke, don't join the World Assembly.

Then by all means, let's dismiss every rule that governs how the Assembly is operated. Make the entire thing a full-blown clown car.

[Wallenburg]

If you can't take a joke, don't join the World Assembly.

Then by all means, let's dismiss every rule that governs how the Assembly is operated. Make the entire thing a full-blown clown car.

Damn, IA, I hadn't noticed that Ban on Secret Treaties dismisses every rule of the GA. Props on not getting challenged there.

[WayNeacTia]

If you can't take a joke, don't join the World Assembly.

Then by all means, let's dismiss every rule that governs how the Assembly is operated. Make the entire thing a full-blown clown car.

I believe that was the general idea on how things were SUPPOSED to work when the game was created.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Then by all means, let's dismiss every rule that governs how the Assembly is operated. Make the entire thing a full-blown clown car.

Damn, IA, I hadn't noticed that Ban on Secret Treaties dismisses every rule of the GA. Props on not getting challenged there.

It's okay. The rules were dismissed first by Kenny's WA HQ resolution. So there was nothing to break. (Insert rolling eyes here.)

[WayNeacTia]

Damn, IA, I hadn't noticed that Ban on Secret Treaties dismisses every rule of the GA. Props on not getting challenged there.

It's okay. The rules were dismissed first by Kenny's WA HQ resolution. So there was nothing to break. (Insert rolling eyes here.)

Back when the GA was humorous and not a pit of pointless litigation.

[Marxist Germany]

"I support the repealing of this resolution. Whilst I was informed that the joke has no effect on the actual legislation, secret treaties is a matter that should not be regulated by the World Assembly."

[Gagium]

If you can't take a joke, don't join the World Assembly.

I think he knew what he was getting into by joining a complete joke of an assembly.

[Maowi]

"This proposal's only argument is about the "secret treaty" definition, which, quite frankly, I don't buy. Definitions in WA resolutions only apply within the context of the WA - so there is no impact on ordinary member nation citizens here. If a member were to write a proposal and wanted to use the term "secret treaty" - and even that is unlikely because the target deals with them already by banning them, so there really is no real need for further legislation on them - they could either use the term exclusively in the plural, which would not be that tricky to work out, or redefine it (stating that the dedinition stood "for the purposes of this resolution"). The only argument you have left, then, is that the WA is a serious institution and its own resolutions shouldn't make a mockery of it.

"If you really believe in that, ambassador, don't try and repeal a perfectly good resolution for nothing."

(OOC: Edited typo)

[Kranostav]

If you can't take a joke, don't join the World Assembly.

I think he knew what he was getting into by joining a complete joke of an assembly.

It appears someone is a little mad

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Also, as a general reminder, just because you know how to use text formatting, doesn't mean you should. It doesn't make your argument any better or any more legitimate

[Kranostav]

Now at vote... so if you want to know how to vote, please read this IFV from TNP's own Ministry of WA Affairs!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1293725

[Gagium]

I think he knew what he was getting into by joining a complete joke of an assembly.

It appears someone is a little mad

I'm not mad, I'm outraged!

[New Waldensia]

Esteemed World Assembly Delegates and Members,

I rise today in defense of language, common definition, and universally-understood meaning of words. Specifically, I stand in favor of the General Assembly bill Repeal: “Ban On Secret Treaties”.

To begin with, Ban On Secret Treaties makes a mockery of the General Assembly by defining "secret treaty" as "military-grade weapons and feline animals of varying sizes with tabby coats".

This is a completely arbitrary and capricious redefinition of a phrase that for all time has been plainly understood. This egregious resolution ought to be removed. This abuse of defining power ought to be stricken from the lawbooks.

If language is to mean anything at all, the General Assembly must stand against arbitrary redefinition of words. Words should not be redefined at the every whim of World Assembly resolution authors.

Where does it end? Which word will be redefined next? A Pandora's Box has been opened, and it must be closed.

Some will say that the target resolution causes no harm. On the contrary, it really affects any future legislation. Any use of the phrase "secret treaty" now carries with it a wildly different meaning that it did previously. Now, any word can have its meaning changed by slipping a clause into an unrelated WA resolution, altering its effect and definition for the rest of time.

Do you see why this dangerous piece of legislation must be repealed? For the safety and security of all nations, definitions must not be tampered or muddled with unnecessarily. Defining words in resolution ought to be done exceedingly carefully, upholding the original meaning and clarifying how it applies to the measure at hand, not wildly altering the usual understanding of the word.

The plain and universally understood meaning of "secret treaty" should be restored to its rightful place.

Therefore, as the Delegate for New Waldensia and for the Federation of Conservative Nations, I will cast my vote FOR this Repeal and urge all WA delegates and members to do likewise.


Ambassador Josiah Garrett
Delegate from New Waldensia
Head Diplomat of the Federation of Conservative Nations

[Bears Armed]

The plain and universally understood meaning of "secret treaty" should be restored to it's rightful place.]

OOC: Ahem! You've got a surplus apostrophe there...

[Kenmoria]

“In response to what has been said by the ambassador from New Waldensia, it should be noted that definitions in the General Assembly are limited in their scope to the legislation in which they are defined. Furthermore, the definition excluded pluralisations, so it would not be too arduous for an authoring delegating to sidestep the issue by referring only to ‘secret treaties’.”

[Bears Armed]

“In response to what has been said by the ambassador from New Waldensia, it should be noted that definitions in the General Assembly are limited in their scope to the legislation in which they are defined.”

OOC
Actually, that depends on context: If they're written as operative clauses rather than just part of the preamble, and without something along the lines of "for the purpose of this resolution" attached, then they're just as much WA law -- and just as binding on members in future, unless & until the resolution containing them is repealed -- as any other operative clauses... Thus, giving a different definition for the same term in a later proposal would be (in my opinion, anyway) an illegal Contradiction. [/one-sixth of GenSec]

[South Otselic]

After millennia of war against felines with Tabby coats carrying military grade weapons the Constitutional Empire of South Otselic must vote AGAINST the resolution to repeal.

[Cela]

Cela is voting against because "girls just want to have fun".

OOC: Seriously though, people take this game a little too seriously sometimes.

Edit: I'm seriously serious, seriously. Be an absurdist, not a killjoy. If we can't have a laugh, we lose our sanity.

[Cela]

If you can't take a joke, don't join the World Assembly.

Then by all means, let's dismiss every rule that governs how the Assembly is operated. Make the entire thing a full-blown clown car.

All for proposing a resolution that turns the World Assembly into a full-blown clown car say Aye

[South Otselic]

Cela is voting against because "girls just want to have fun".

OOC: Seriously though, people take this game a little too seriously sometimes.

Edit: I'm seriously serious, seriously. Be an absurdist, not a killjoy. If we can't have a laugh, we lose our sanity.

OOC: They really do! That's been the way of things here since '08/'09 though.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

If you can't take a joke, don't join the World Assembly.

no need to insult the WA like that

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Now at vote... so if you want to know how to vote, please read this IFV from TNP's own Ministry of WA Affairs!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1293725

Feeder regions know best, don't question them they'll tell you how to vote in the dispatch they tell all nations in the feeder region to vote for

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Cela is voting against because "girls just want to have fun".

OOC: Seriously though, people take this game a little too seriously sometimes.

Edit: I'm seriously serious, seriously. Be an absurdist, not a killjoy. If we can't have a laugh, we lose our sanity.

OOC: They really do! That's been the way of things here since '08/'09 though.

WA clique does what it wants