by Adriatican » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:16 pm
First and Third Prime Minister of the IFC
Fmr. Chair, and current Commissioner of ISEC (a W.A organization)
Member of the Board of Directors of the Bank of Yohannes
Lazarene Ambassador to the South Pacific and Europeia
by Adriatican » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:21 pm
First and Third Prime Minister of the IFC
Fmr. Chair, and current Commissioner of ISEC (a W.A organization)
Member of the Board of Directors of the Bank of Yohannes
Lazarene Ambassador to the South Pacific and Europeia
by Araraukar » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:34 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Adriatican » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:56 pm
Araraukar wrote:OOC: What category and strength/AoE (some categories have strengths, some have areas of effect, you can find the categories and descriptions in the proposal rules thread)?
This seems to lean very heavily on existing resolutions. If they were repealed, would yours have anything to lean on or would it become meaningless? If the latter, it's a House of Cards violation.
What the hell does a bank have to do with literacy? Also, as it counts as a committee for proposal rules, nations can't sit in it (or its "board of directors").
Percentage increase requirements (or even goals) are problematic because it's easy to swipe 20% out of 100%, but very difficult to swipe it out of 0.01%.
First and Third Prime Minister of the IFC
Fmr. Chair, and current Commissioner of ISEC (a W.A organization)
Member of the Board of Directors of the Bank of Yohannes
Lazarene Ambassador to the South Pacific and Europeia
by Araraukar » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:32 pm
Adriatican wrote:the Resolution proposed does not rely on the cited GAR’s for its effect, I would argue the HoC matter is moot.
this institution is more akin to the World Bank, which uses international contributions and revenues to fund development projects in nations across the globe, in areas like; farming, water development infrastructure, literacy, and more.
How would you suggest we restructure the board provision to comply with the WA’s committee rules, or would you just take it out entirely?
Lastly, I’m not sure what you mean about the percentages, please clarify.
Adriatican wrote:• A twenty percent increase in the literacy rate
• A twenty percent increase in the construction of affordable, environmentally sustainable housing units specifically reserved for a Member Nation’s homeless and below poverty population
• A twenty percent increase in the use of renewable and sustainable energies
• A twenty percent increase in the employment rate
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Adriatican » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:40 pm
Araraukar wrote:Adriatican wrote:the Resolution proposed does not rely on the cited GAR’s for its effect, I would argue the HoC matter is moot.
OOC: The "encourages" clause does. And yes, "encourages" is a legally active clause in GA proposals.this institution is more akin to the World Bank, which uses international contributions and revenues to fund development projects in nations across the globe, in areas like; farming, water development infrastructure, literacy, and more.
The question then becomes, why? The WA can simply order nations to do things. Why should it create an unnecessary go-between? Especially as a WA organization normally gets its funding from the WA, which equals all the WA nations. The WA's only legitimate source of income are the WA nations as a whole. (There's a resolution that mandates "involuntary donations" - thinking of it as a tax gives the least headaches.) If you were instead setting up something that worked on voluntary donations, you don't need the WA to do it, and thus it's not something that should be put into a resolution.
All in all, be VERY careful about any "giving WA money away" things, without requiring some checks to be made to ensure that the nation receiving the funds is actually incapable, rather than just unwilling, to fund it themselves. Because I can easily imagine something like RL USA, which refuses to fund healthcare for its population while maintaining huge military budget. They'd be more than happy to have the WA fund the bits of budget they don't consider important, while still having tons of money at the government's use.How would you suggest we restructure the board provision to comply with the WA’s committee rules, or would you just take it out entirely?
I would suggest taking out the entire committee (bank) and making member nations do the things you want done.Lastly, I’m not sure what you mean about the percentages, please clarify.Adriatican wrote:• A twenty percent increase in the literacy rate
• A twenty percent increase in the construction of affordable, environmentally sustainable housing units specifically reserved for a Member Nation’s homeless and below poverty population
• A twenty percent increase in the use of renewable and sustainable energies
• A twenty percent increase in the employment rate
^These. If literacy rate is already 100%, you can't increase it by 20% (because you can't go over 100%). If literacy rate is 0%, mathematically you also can't increace it by 20% (because zero times 0.2 is still zero). But let's assume that a nation has the population of a million people, out of whom only 5 are literate (unlikely, I know, but just for math illustration purposes). A nation would be compliant if only one more person became literate. Whereas a nation with the population of a million people out of whom 999,995 are literate, literally cannot increace literacy by 20%, because 20% out of 999,995 is 199,999 and the nation only has 5 illiterates. Who might be illiterate because they are in a coma or seriously brain damaged or otherwise incapable of becoming literate.
The rest have the same problems with the percentages. What if there aren't homeless? What if everyone has free housing? What if a nation already is 100% using renewable and sustainable energy? How can it go over 100%? What if everyone for whom there are actual jobs, are already employed? Must the nation make fake work to employ people who don't want to do fake work, or who might not be working because of health reasons? What if being unemployed is not a problem?
Do you understand the issues?
Oh and especially nix the "investment in the personal ... efforts" on the bank's mandate. Giving WA money to individuals is not a good direction to go.
First and Third Prime Minister of the IFC
Fmr. Chair, and current Commissioner of ISEC (a W.A organization)
Member of the Board of Directors of the Bank of Yohannes
Lazarene Ambassador to the South Pacific and Europeia
by Adriatican » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:16 am
First and Third Prime Minister of the IFC
Fmr. Chair, and current Commissioner of ISEC (a W.A organization)
Member of the Board of Directors of the Bank of Yohannes
Lazarene Ambassador to the South Pacific and Europeia
by Bananaistan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:39 am
by Araraukar » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:26 pm
Adriatican wrote:The W.A cannot order a nation to do anything unless the thing being ordered is a provision within a previously passed Resolution.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Adriatican » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:27 pm
Araraukar wrote:Adriatican wrote:The W.A cannot order a nation to do anything unless the thing being ordered is a provision within a previously passed Resolution.
OOC: What on earth are you talking about? The WA can order a nation to do anything that isn't restricted by a previously passed resolution.
First and Third Prime Minister of the IFC
Fmr. Chair, and current Commissioner of ISEC (a W.A organization)
Member of the Board of Directors of the Bank of Yohannes
Lazarene Ambassador to the South Pacific and Europeia
by Adriatican » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:30 pm
Bananaistan wrote:OOC: This was submitted under the Healthcare/International Aid category/AoE. I have marked it illegal as follows: Category/AOE incorrect (there's nothing here that does anything about healthcare or having richer nations assist poorer nations regarding healthcare).
There are other issues such as the problem with percentages that Ara outlined. The SETS FORTH clause states that the Permanent Development Goals are above mentioned. If this refers to the FURTHER REMINDS clause, it does not actually call them Permanent Development Goals. The percentages clauses mention sensitive populations. What are sensitive populations? It should be stated in the proposal.
First and Third Prime Minister of the IFC
Fmr. Chair, and current Commissioner of ISEC (a W.A organization)
Member of the Board of Directors of the Bank of Yohannes
Lazarene Ambassador to the South Pacific and Europeia
by Araraukar » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:40 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Adriatican » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:43 pm
First and Third Prime Minister of the IFC
Fmr. Chair, and current Commissioner of ISEC (a W.A organization)
Member of the Board of Directors of the Bank of Yohannes
Lazarene Ambassador to the South Pacific and Europeia
by Kenmoria » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:45 pm
by Araraukar » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:52 pm
Adriatican wrote:*snip*
Adriatican wrote:I’d like to be pointed to, and/or shown the guidelines, rules, regulations, etc. all Members of the Secretariat work on/from.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Adriatican » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:40 pm
First and Third Prime Minister of the IFC
Fmr. Chair, and current Commissioner of ISEC (a W.A organization)
Member of the Board of Directors of the Bank of Yohannes
Lazarene Ambassador to the South Pacific and Europeia
by Imperium Anglorum » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:08 pm
by East Meranopirus » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:59 pm
Adriatican wrote:The lack of reading comprehension round these parts is staggering.
by Kenmoria » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:51 am
by Bears Armed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:42 am
Araraukar wrote:Adriatican wrote:The W.A cannot order a nation to do anything unless the thing being ordered is a provision within a previously passed Resolution.
OOC: What on earth are you talking about? The WA can order a nation to do anything that isn't restricted by a previously passed resolution.
by Araraukar » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:15 am
Bears Armed wrote:Araraukar wrote:OOC: The WA can order a nation to do anything that isn't restricted by a previously passed resolution.
OOC: Unless it's something that the nations couldn't "reasonably" be expected to have the capability to do... Cure ALL illness IMMEDIATELY, for example, or give their people the power of "unassisted" flight..
Proposals based on impossibilities such as those would get rejected as illegal. (There's no appropriate 'Strength' for the Impossible...)
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Bears Armed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:21 am
Araraukar wrote:Bears Armed wrote:OOC: Unless it's something that the nations couldn't "reasonably" be expected to have the capability to do... Cure ALL illness IMMEDIATELY, for example, or give their people the power of "unassisted" flight..
Proposals based on impossibilities such as those would get rejected as illegal. (There's no appropriate 'Strength' for the Impossible...)
OOC: So are you saying the proposal here is illegal for being impossible for some nations? (Any nation with literacy/renewable energy/whatever over 80%.)
Member Nations sensitive populations within a period of twenty years from the date of receiving Bank funds of any kind, and/or joining the Board;and the rule that WA Committees are staffed anonymously (by widely-accepted convention, by the 'WA Gnomes') rather than by member nations.
by Araraukar » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:38 am
International Development Organs and Benchmarks
Category: Social Justice
Strength: Significant
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY,
REMINDS Member Nations of the staggering rate of poverty amongst the world’s population, especially within; minority communities, communities which reside in countries classified as “developing”, and communities who otherwise carry displaced status as; refugees, homeless persons, drug addicts, or who are deemed mentally unstable,
FURTHER REMINDS Member Nations of their; moral responsibility, economic best interest, and principled position to assure their country’s populations, in their totality, have; the opportunity to become properly educated, in a safe, productive, and stable, academic environment, the opportunity and ability to seek gainful employment should they want it, the ability to rely on the state for proper basic services including; clean and running water, a stable and sufficient electrical grid, proper waste reclamation, and proper sewage treatment, and the opportunity to seek and obtain, self sufficiency,
ENCOURAGES Member Nation’s to enshrine the above mentioned in their respective legal codexes as inalienable entitlements for the good of the world’s population, and all future generations of humanity;
CREATES the International Development Bank to assist Member Nations with their efforts to this end, provide grants, temporary loans, and otherwise; spur, manage, and facilitate investment in the; organizational, and governmental efforts of any entity who should so present to Bank authorities, a plan to reasonably; create, achieve, facilitate, or bring into being, any; entity, program, or initiative, which will ensure the presence of the above mentioned;
MANDATES oversight of the use of Bank grants and other funds by the proper W.A Authorities, and that, all nations who benefit from the Bank’s services, meet the developmental and human rights goals set forth by the Bank;
SETS FORTH the following as the above mentioned Permanent Development Goals (PDG’s) of the Bank;
- A twenty percent increase in the literacy rate amongst a Member Nations sensitive populations within a period of twenty years from the date of receiving Bank funds of any kind;
- A twenty percent increase in the construction of affordable, environmentally sustainable housing units specifically reserved for a Member Nation’s homeless and below poverty population within a period of twenty years from the date of receiving Bank funds of any kind;
- A twenty percent increase in the use of renewable and sustainable energies by a Member Nation within a period of twenty years from the date of receiving Bank funds of any kind;
- A twenty percent increase in the employment rate of a Member Nation’s sensitive populations within a period of twenty years from the date of receiving Bank funds of any kind.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Bears Armed » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:46 am
Araraukar wrote:OOC: AS SUBMITTEDInternational Development Organs and Benchmarks
Category: Social Justice
Strength: Significant
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY,
REMINDS Member Nations of the staggering rate of poverty amongst the world’s population, especially within; minority communities, communities which reside in countries classified as “developing”, and communities who otherwise carry displaced status as; refugees, homeless persons, drug addicts, or who are deemed mentally unstable,
FURTHER REMINDS Member Nations of their; moral responsibility, economic best interest, and principled position to assure their country’s populations, in their totality, have; the opportunity to become properly educated, in a safe, productive, and stable, academic environment, the opportunity and ability to seek gainful employment should they want it, the ability to rely on the state for proper basic services including; clean and running water, a stable and sufficient electrical grid, proper waste reclamation, and proper sewage treatment, and the opportunity to seek and obtain, self sufficiency,
ENCOURAGES Member Nation’s to enshrine the above mentioned in their respective legal codexes as inalienable entitlements for the good of the world’s population, and all future generations of humanity;
CREATES the International Development Bank to assist Member Nations with their efforts to this end, provide grants, temporary loans, and otherwise; spur, manage, and facilitate investment in the; organizational, and governmental efforts of any entity who should so present to Bank authorities, a plan to reasonably; create, achieve, facilitate, or bring into being, any; entity, program, or initiative, which will ensure the presence of the above mentioned;
MANDATES oversight of the use of Bank grants and other funds by the proper W.A Authorities, and that, all nations who benefit from the Bank’s services, meet the developmental and human rights goals set forth by the Bank;
SETS FORTH the following as the above mentioned Permanent Development Goals (PDG’s) of the Bank;
- A twenty percent increase in the literacy rate amongst a Member Nations sensitive populations within a period of twenty years from the date of receiving Bank funds of any kind;
- A twenty percent increase in the construction of affordable, environmentally sustainable housing units specifically reserved for a Member Nation’s homeless and below poverty population within a period of twenty years from the date of receiving Bank funds of any kind;
- A twenty percent increase in the use of renewable and sustainable energies by a Member Nation within a period of twenty years from the date of receiving Bank funds of any kind;
- A twenty percent increase in the employment rate of a Member Nation’s sensitive populations within a period of twenty years from the date of receiving Bank funds of any kind.
Does this actually meet "significant" strength? It has an encouragement (and much of the stuff referred to is duplicating existing resolutions) and then the rest is about the committee. Where does it actually even refer to how the funds are applied for? Or what nations don't fit the list of twenty percent demands?
by Araraukar » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:58 am
Bears Armed wrote:It mandates that any nation which takes funds from the Bank must meet the goals.
About the "twenty percent increase" bit: There's also the question of whether that's 20% of the maximum possibility (as you were presuming) or just 20% of those nation's current rates.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
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