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[Draft] Repeal the Charter of Civil Rights

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[Draft] Repeal the Charter of Civil Rights

Postby Old Hope » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:37 am

Link to the resolution:https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolution/id=35/council=1

Lauding the discrimination ban on reductive categorization

Displeased by the inclusion of the concepts of nationality and cultural background as reductive categorizations that should not be discriminated for(with narrow exceptions),

Knowing that people belonging to a culturally relatively homogenous society is good for the stability of a nation,

Dismayed by the conflict potential of parallel societies with a drastically different culture on a nation, and their effects on crime and their frequent ignorance or rejection of national law,

Shocked by the obvious problems even a limited ban on nationality discrimination could cause; such as having to allow people to vote who neither contributed to the wellbeing of the society nor belong to it; while having to disallow people who have to be temporarily abroad from voting, having to conscript tourists into the army if you have a conscription law, and other ludicrous idiocities,

Angered by the difficulties presented by the presence of the Charter of Civil Rights to preserve the integrity of a nation,

the World Assembly repeals the Charter of Civil Rights, General Assembly resolution 35.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:40 am

"Every time your delegation offers a draft, I think to myself that it can't possibly get any worse, and then, damn it, you manage. Legalizing discrimination on the basis of nationality and culture for less than a compelling practical purpose is an open invitation to invidious discrimination. Trash it and consider a permanent vacation from World Assembly duties, ambassador."

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:14 am

"I echo the sentiments raised by ambassador Bell, the sheer incompetency is astonishing, ambassador. I believeiits time for Old Hope to send a better and more competent ambassador to the World Assembly, that is, if they choose to remain within the WA."
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Postby Old Hope » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:18 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Every time your delegation offers a draft, I think to myself that it can't possibly get any worse, and then, damn it, you manage. Legalizing discrimination on the basis of nationality and culture for less than a compelling practical purpose is an open invitation to invidious discrimination. Trash it and consider a permanent vacation from World Assembly duties, ambassador."

Well, legalizing discrimination on the basis of nationality in all circumstances is wrong - but we consider preserving a relatively homogenous society and preventing parallel societies valid reasons for discrimination yet it does not fall under "compelling practical purposes" under any reasonable interpretation of this law.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:25 am

Old Hope wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Every time your delegation offers a draft, I think to myself that it can't possibly get any worse, and then, damn it, you manage. Legalizing discrimination on the basis of nationality and culture for less than a compelling practical purpose is an open invitation to invidious discrimination. Trash it and consider a permanent vacation from World Assembly duties, ambassador."

Well, legalizing discrimination on the basis of nationality in all circumstances is wrong - but we consider preserving a relatively homogenous society and preventing parallel societies valid reasons for discrimination yet it does not fall under "compelling practical purposes" under any reasonable interpretation of this law.


"Preserving a homogenous society is a nice code word for greenlighting racism, ambassador. It has no place in this Assembly any more than your body of drafts."

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Postby Old Hope » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:45 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Old Hope wrote:Well, legalizing discrimination on the basis of nationality in all circumstances is wrong - but we consider preserving a relatively homogenous society and preventing parallel societies valid reasons for discrimination yet it does not fall under "compelling practical purposes" under any reasonable interpretation of this law.


"Preserving a homogenous society is a nice code word for greenlighting racism, ambassador. It has no place in this Assembly any more than your body of drafts."

"We intend to write replacement resolutions for this one-size-fits-it-all resolution before submitting this repeal."(OOC: This will be the first resolution that is submitted because it is needed to pass the replacements)

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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:32 am

Old Hope wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
"Preserving a homogenous society is a nice code word for greenlighting racism, ambassador. It has no place in this Assembly any more than your body of drafts."

"We intend to write replacement resolutions for this one-size-fits-it-all resolution before submitting this repeal."(OOC: This will be the first resolution that is submitted because it is needed to pass the replacements)

“Firstly, I wish to echo the sentiments of the other ambassadors who have spoken thusfar. CoCR could be a textbook example of a resolution that handles a variety of different nations' needs well. Although ‘compelling practical purpose ’ could be more restricted, the legislation does effectively do stop discrimination.

One of the things GA #035 does well is to prohibit many forms of racism. Therefore, I am left confused as to why you wish to repeal it in order to enact what it is effectively glorified racism. This draft is not worthy of the GA’s attention. ”
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:41 am

Old Hope wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
"Preserving a homogenous society is a nice code word for greenlighting racism, ambassador. It has no place in this Assembly any more than your body of drafts."

"We intend to write replacement resolutions for this one-size-fits-it-all resolution before submitting this repeal."(OOC: This will be the first resolution that is submitted because it is needed to pass the replacements)


"A replacement that allows for invidious discrimination on the basis of nationality and ethnicity is, at best, tolerating racism, ambassador. And I don't believe you're ignorant of that."

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Postby The Unfounded » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:24 pm

"Full support!" Alexis yells, rocketing to her feet and flinging the resolution (which has been made into a paper airplane) across the room.

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Postby Astrobolt » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:57 pm

Old Hope wrote:"We intend to write replacement resolutions for this one-size-fits-it-all resolution before submitting this repeal."(OOC: This will be the first resolution that is submitted because it is needed to pass the replacements)


"Ambassador, what specifically do you plan to include in your multiple replacement proposals? How would your proposals be different from the already passed resolution?"

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Postby Wayneactia » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:59 pm

Someone see any argument other than National Sovereignty here?

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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:53 pm

Wayneactia wrote:Someone see any argument other than National Sovereignty here?

(OOC: The ‘shocked’ clause has an argument which, although being exceptionally weak, does seem to contain non-Natsov reasons.)
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:15 pm

Hard no.

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Postby Johanneslanden » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:06 am

I fail to see any good arguments in this.
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Postby Wayneactia » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:49 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Someone see any argument other than National Sovereignty here?

(OOC: The ‘shocked’ clause has an argument which, although being exceptionally weak, does seem to contain non-Natsov reasons.)


This would make for an interesting legality challenge should it ever be submitted. I personally see the whole shebang as one giant NatSov argument, and thus would be illegal.

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:13 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Someone see any argument other than National Sovereignty here?

(OOC: The ‘shocked’ clause has an argument which, although being exceptionally weak, does seem to contain non-Natsov reasons.)


That clause is an honest mistake, IMO - "drafting tourists into the army" is indeed a "ludicrous idiocy," to use the parlance of our time language of this repeal.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:41 am

I’m really not seeing any compelling arguments for a repeal here.
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Postby The Great Boom » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:20 am

"Knowing that people belonging to a culturally relatively homogenous society is good for the stability of a nation,"

"*Vomits"


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