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[Draft] Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"

Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:47 am

There hasn't been an attempt at a repeal this year, so I thought I'd try my luck this time.

I present to you, the longest repeal of #286, that includes almost every argument used in previous repeals!
Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"
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The World Assembly,

Applauding the efforts of the resolution GA#286 to protect the right to access abortion;

Noting that this resolution allows abortion on demand, disregarding the potential for sex-selective abortion, a practice that harms the gender balance and creates societal problems such as; low marriage rates and low birth rates; and other discriminatory reasons for abortion such as disability and skin colour, reasons that this assembly is attempting to eradicate;

Understanding that numerous member states have legitimate ethical concerns regarding the unconditional legality of abortions after fetal viability, especially when alternatives such as adoption are readily available;

Frustrated that the term "termination of pregnancy" forces member nations to legalize Dilation and Extraction procedures, for example, commonly known as partial-birth abortions, procedures in which a living and viable fetus is destroyed despite it being able to experience pain in late term pregnancy;

Disgusted because GA#286 "recognises that the termination of pregnancy is a medical procedure," it permits member nations to require parental consent for any abortion procedure performed on a minor or a mentally disabled person, as per the mandates of GA#29, thus hampering the ability of the minor or mentally disabled adult to access abortion, in case their parent or guardian refuses to allow them to undergo an abortion;

Further frustrated that because the target resolution never mentions abortion and instead mentions "termination of pregnancy", and that because the target requires that member nations provide safe termination of pregnancy, some nations may consider abortions unsafe to foetuses and thus use birth as a method of terminating a pregnancy, rendering GA#286 useless;

Cognisant that because "termination of pregnancy" is a medical procedure, it is therefore protected by resolutions such as GA#29 in emergency cases, as GA#29 states "Patients have the right to emergency medical treatment under circumstances requiring lifesaving procedures", which means that termination of pregnancy must be legalised in life threatening cases;

Acknowledging the resolution GA#128, which allows abortion in cases of extreme disability, rape or incest, and in life threatening conditions;

Aware that the radical approach of the target resolution has only caused division within this assembly, including 5 defeated repeal attempts and dozens of attempted repeal proposals by numerous ambassadors from different nations, and has led to many nations choosing to leave the assembly, thus reducing its power;

Concerned with the many flaws present in the resolution, which should be replaced by a better version that handles the issue in a manner that guarantees the right to abortion whilst placing reasonable restrictions that prevent abuse such as the example mentioned above;

Hereby,

Repeals General Assembly Resolution number 286, titled "Reproductive Freedoms".


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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:49 am

Version 0.1.0:
-Removed the Deploring clause [which mentions physical force and intoxicants as methods of terminating pregnancy]
-Edited the believing clause [changed "forced abortion" with "abuses mentioned above"]

Version 0.2.0:
-Removed Annoyed clause [which mentions the ban of counselling]
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Postby The New Nordic Union » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:56 am

Believing that the issue ought to be handled in a manner than guarantees the right to abortion whilst placing reasonable restrictions that prevent abuses such as forced abortions;


OOC: In what way does the target allow for forced abortions, and how could those be avoided by placing restrictions on the access to abortion?
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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:04 am

The New Nordic Union wrote:
Believing that the issue ought to be handled in a manner than guarantees the right to abortion whilst placing reasonable restrictions that prevent abuses such as forced abortions;


OOC: In what way does the target allow for forced abortions, and how could those be avoided by placing restrictions on the access to abortion?

OOC:The target resolution does not ban forced abortions, thus, a replacement must be drafted that allows for a ban on forced abortions.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:18 am

Marxist Germany wrote:...Deploring the term "termination of pregnancy", which does not specify the means (i.e. Abortion), by which to terminate a pregnancy, leading some nations to use horrific methods such as physical force and intoxicants;

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Believing that the issue ought to be handled in a manner than guarantees the right to abortion whilst placing reasonable restrictions that prevent abuses such as forced abortions;...


OOC: Hi, it's your friendly neighborhood informal GenSec legal opinionator! I believe these two lines are Honest Mistakes.

Firstly, a nation's choice to assault pregnant persons is ludicrously outside the scope of the target resolution - they'd likely be doing something similar with or without it in place and it has nothing to do with the legality of abortion procedures.

Secondly, forced abortions are already prohibited by GAR #128 "On Abortion" and thus already covered whether #286 exists or not. They are therefore unrelated to any issue that the target resolution covers.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:26 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:...Deploring the term "termination of pregnancy", which does not specify the means (i.e. Abortion), by which to terminate a pregnancy, leading some nations to use horrific methods such as physical force and intoxicants;

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Believing that the issue ought to be handled in a manner than guarantees the right to abortion whilst placing reasonable restrictions that prevent abuses such as forced abortions;...


OOC: Hi, it's your friendly neighborhood informal GenSec legal opinionator! I believe these two lines are Honest Mistakes.

Firstly, a nation's choice to assault pregnant persons is ludicrously outside the scope of the target resolution - they'd likely be doing something similar with or without it in place and it has nothing to do with the legality of abortion procedures.

Secondly, forced abortions are already prohibited by GAR #128 "On Abortion" and thus already covered whether #286 exists or not. They are therefore unrelated to any issue that the target resolution covers.

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OOC:I will remove those two issues.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:31 am

Marxist Germany wrote:Concerned with the many flaws present in the resolution, that ought to be replaced by a better replacement that addresses the issue properly

In the absence of a credible aforementioned replacement actually existing in draft form, and having a real chance of passing, you'll encounter a lot of resistance to repealing.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:32 am

OOC: You can't be serious. Without any chance of passing, why even attempt it?


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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:47 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:OOC: You can't be serious. Without any chance of passing, why even attempt it?

OOC:Just to prove that it's impossible to pass, because reading through every past repeal, this is the most fleshed out in terms of length.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:48 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Concerned with the many flaws present in the resolution, that ought to be replaced by a better replacement that addresses the issue properly

In the absence of a credible aforementioned replacement actually existing in draft form, and having a real chance of passing, you'll encounter a lot of resistance to repealing.

OOC:A replacement exists in the form of General Assembly Resolution number 128 titled "On Abortion".
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Marxist Germany wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:OOC: You can't be serious. Without any chance of passing, why even attempt it?

OOC:Just to prove that it's impossible to pass, because reading through every past repeal, this is the most fleshed out in terms of length.

I can't stop you, but this sounds like a terrible reason to attempt to legislate. Have you considered what this attempted repeal (And especially your reason for it) might do to your credibility and thus your other drafts?


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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:52 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:Just to prove that it's impossible to pass, because reading through every past repeal, this is the most fleshed out in terms of length.

I can't stop you, but this sounds like a terrible reason to attempt to legislate. Have you considered what this attempted repeal (And especially your reason for it) might do to your credibility and thus your other drafts?

OOC:If simply a failed repeal attempt will ruin my credibility, then the problem isn't me. And the last repeal attempt according to IAs website was in 2017
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:58 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:In the absence of a credible aforementioned replacement actually existing in draft form, and having a real chance of passing, you'll encounter a lot of resistance to repealing.

OOC:A replacement exists in the form of General Assembly Resolution number 128 titled "On Abortion".

That's not a replacement, it's a fallback. And you specifically say replaced by a better replacement, so don't try to pull a fast one.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:01 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:A replacement exists in the form of General Assembly Resolution number 128 titled "On Abortion".

That's not a replacement, it's a fallback. And you specifically say replaced by a better replacement, so don't try to pull a fast one.

OOC:I think GA#128 is in fact a much better replacement, as it puts reasonable restrictions on Abortion, and it's safe to say 128 is staying a lot longer than 286.
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Attempted Socialism wrote:OOC: You can't be serious. Without any chance of passing, why even attempt it?

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Marxist Germany wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:That's not a replacement, it's a fallback. And you specifically say replaced by a better replacement, so don't try to pull a fast one.

OOC:I think GA#128 is in fact a much better replacement, as it puts reasonable restrictions on Abortion, and it's safe to say 128 is staying a lot longer than 286.

It. Is. Not. A. Replacement. Saying that a previous resolution is a replacement is an argument in ridiculously bad faith.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:18 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:I think GA#128 is in fact a much better replacement, as it puts reasonable restrictions on Abortion, and it's safe to say 128 is staying a lot longer than 286.

It. Is. Not. A. Replacement. Saying that a previous resolution is a replacement is an argument in ridiculously bad faith.

OOC:I can't write a replacement similar to 128 without it being illegal for duplication.
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Marxist Germany wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It. Is. Not. A. Replacement. Saying that a previous resolution is a replacement is an argument in ridiculously bad faith.

OOC:I can't write a replacement similar to 128 without it being illegal for duplication.

I'm not asking you to. I'm asking for a replacement for 286, like your draft says.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:24 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:I can't write a replacement similar to 128 without it being illegal for duplication.

I'm not asking you to. I'm asking for a replacement for 286, like your draft says.

OOC:But why aren't you satisfied by 128 as a "fallback". I think its a good compromise and will finally end the abortion debate.Now if only we can repeal that and...
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Marxist Germany wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I'm not asking you to. I'm asking for a replacement for 286, like your draft says.

OOC:But why aren't you satisfied by 128 as a "fallback". I think its a good compromise and will finally end the abortion debate.

Because you specifically mention a replacement in your draft.

And it won't end the debate at all, as there was a need for 286 after all...
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The New California Republic wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:But why aren't you satisfied by 128 as a "fallback". I think its a good compromise and will finally end the abortion debate.

Because you specifically mention a replacement in your draft.

And it won't end the debate at all, as there was a need for 286 after all...

OOC:Would mentioning 128 as a fallback instead of a replacement satisfy you? Because it's right there in one of the clauses.
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Marxist Germany wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Because you specifically mention a replacement in your draft.

And it won't end the debate at all, as there was a need for 286 after all...

OOC:Would mentioning 128 as a fallback instead of a replacement satisfy you? Because it's right there in one of the clauses.

No it wouldn't, because I don't see any need to repeal 286 in the first place. I find the arguments less than convincing. And the fact that you are not willing to make a replacement doesn't really sit well with me. And it won't sit well with many others either. It makes it look like a stepping stone towards attacking 128.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:39 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:Would mentioning 128 as a fallback instead of a replacement satisfy you? Because it's right there in one of the clauses.

No it wouldn't, because I don't see any need to repeal 286 in the first place. I find the arguments less than convincing. And the fact that you are not willing to make a replacement doesn't really sit well with me. And it won't sit well with many others either. It makes it look like a stepping stone towards attacking 128.

OOC:Trust me, 128 is as safe as NAPA and Rights and Duties of Member States.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:40 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:No it wouldn't, because I don't see any need to repeal 286 in the first place. I find the arguments less than convincing. And the fact that you are not willing to make a replacement doesn't really sit well with me. And it won't sit well with many others either. It makes it look like a stepping stone towards attacking 128.

OOC:Trust me, 128 is as safe as NAPA and Rights and Duties of Member States.

Irrelevant. If you are not willing to draft a replacement then I'm against by default. Sorry.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the complete victory over Caesar's Legion, and the pacification and annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.
Current President of The NCR: Aaron Kimball.
Current NCR Ambassador to The World Assembly: Colonel James Hsu, NCR Army (Ret.)
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