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[Legality Challenge] On National Security and Migration

Postby Araraukar » Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:52 am

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Proposal's thread: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=468835

On National Security and Migration

Category: Political Stability
Strength: Significant

Proposed by: Greater Austrian Danube

The World Assembly,

Understands the role of economic and cultural migrants.

Discerning the right to secure borders and achieve stability.

Deducing the ability for a nation to legislate its own federal laws and protect its border(s) and civilians from outside harm.

Describing the role of the World Assembly in migration as an international agency which is not to infringe on member states’ abilities.

Hereby,

Defines the following for the purpose of this resolution:

a. An “Immigrant” is an individual that moved into a nation for residency without obtaining citizenship but may continue the path to naturalization.

b. “National security” is the act of a nation protecting itself from attack or danger from entering its nations border.

c. A “Migrant” is any person who moves from one place to another for work or better living conditions.

d. A “Refugee” is an individual forced to leave their country due to political or economic oppression, persecution, natural disaster, or any other type of warfare.

e. An “Asylum Seeker” is an individual seeking political refuge; see subclause ‘1.d’ for all the types in which refugee status can be granted.

2. Demands that:

I. Nations have the right to deny migrants access into its borders for the purpose of protecting its citizens and society from harm, therefore nations are allowed to deny entry into the nation to any non-legal migrant unless defined as a legal refugee; seeking asylum.

II. Nations are not allowed to pick which individual migrant is allowed entry for a discriminatory reason; However, they can deny their entry on the basis of national security and risk of lacking cultural integration.

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Rules broken: Category, Contradiction, (maybe Duplication and Strength)

In a real hurry (5 minutes and out the door), but there's no way "you have to let these people into the nation whether you want to or not" can be Political Stability. And the "risk of lacking cultural integration" is a random reductive category if I ever saw one, thus violating CoCR (especially as presumably such cultural thing would rely on ethnicity, religion, etc.).

Alternatively this is nothing but duplication or so largely covered by existing resolutions that it can't be Significant strength.

Will add more once back home.

EDIT: Others below pretty much posted what I meant to add. If I can think of something else once my brain has stopped being a melted puddle, I'll add later.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:58 am

You'll be surprised to hear this one, Ara, but I actually agree with you, in part. The category is wrong, it should probably be Moral Decency if we operate on the presumption that entrance into a nation is a civil right, statistics affect populations, and removing the right to enter would lower civil rights. Under the Secretariat's current operating practice, which is of "one best category" (however that is adjudicated post hoc...), that'd meet the Category burden.

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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:05 am

Clause 2-II is a duplication of CoCR, if one assumes that national security and cultural integration are compelling practical purpose. Alternatively, it would be contradiction, if one doesn’t assume this meets the standard. Either way, the proposal must be illegal for one of the two reasons.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:48 am

Clause I is duplication of Refugee Protection GA#57, and Clause II is either duplication or contradiction of GA#35 Charter of Civil Rights.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:13 am

Agreed about category.
Considering the other points raised.

Also, I'm dubious about whether "Demands that" is actually a valid operative clause given that it doesn't seem to be addressed to anybody: It looks like the author themselves demanding this of the GA, rather than something written -- as proposals are supposed to be -- from the GA's viewpoint.

EDIT: I've marked it as illegal on the basis of category, so the balance is currently 2:1 rather than 2:0.
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Postby Bananaistan » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:32 pm

Hmmm. On second thoughts the argument regarding contradiction with COCR (given GenSec precedent on that resolution) does look like an issue. I'll return to this with my full thoughts later.
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:33 am

Bananaistan wrote:Hmmm. On second thoughts the argument regarding contradiction with COCR (given GenSec precedent on that resolution) does look like an issue. I'll return to this with my full thoughts later.

What about the category? Full thoughts later is totally fine, though, as I'm about to head out into the possibly last day of heat to melt my brain at lakeside and in a lake (stupid airbreathing species that we are, the head needs to be mostly abovewater)... 8)
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:35 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:You'll be surprised to hear this one, Ara, but I actually agree with you, in part. The category is wrong, it should probably be Moral Decency if we operate on the presumption that entrance into a nation is a civil right, statistics affect populations, and removing the right to enter would lower civil rights. Under the Secretariat's current operating practice, which is of "one best category" (however that is adjudicated post hoc...), that'd meet the Category burden.

This is my reading, and I marked it illegal accordingly.

I have not reached the duplication issue. I will not be able to before this either makes or fails quorum.

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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:58 am

For the author's reference, in case they eventually submit a revised proposal _

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Postby Bananaistan » Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:32 am

Araraukar wrote:
Bananaistan wrote:Hmmm. On second thoughts the argument regarding contradiction with COCR (given GenSec precedent on that resolution) does look like an issue. I'll return to this with my full thoughts later.

What about the category? Full thoughts later is totally fine, though, as I'm about to head out into the possibly last day of heat to melt my brain at lakeside and in a lake (stupid airbreathing species that we are, the head needs to be mostly abovewater)... 8)


Yeah, I agree with the rest of GenSec regarding the category also. I have marked illegal now as well including for contradiction of COCR.
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On National Security and Migration

Postby LaVeyio » Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:41 pm

If we act on the fact that migration being a human right then how will that show up statistally speaking?
This could have a drastic effect on a Country's population and increase a countries crime rate causing a nation to face more problems down the road.


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Postby Wayneactia » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:10 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:You'll be surprised to hear this one, Ara, but I actually agree with you, in part. The category is wrong, it should probably be Moral Decency if we operate on the presumption that entrance into a nation is a civil right, statistics affect populations, and removing the right to enter would lower civil rights. Under the Secretariat's current operating practice, which is of "one best category" (however that is adjudicated post hoc...), that'd meet the Category burden.


Looks like International Security/Mild to me.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:27 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:You'll be surprised to hear this one, Ara, but I actually agree with you, in part. The category is wrong, it should probably be Moral Decency if we operate on the presumption that entrance into a nation is a civil right, statistics affect populations, and removing the right to enter would lower civil rights. Under the Secretariat's current operating practice, which is of "one best category" (however that is adjudicated post hoc...), that'd meet the Category burden.


Looks like International Security/Mild to me.

It's not increasing military spending
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Postby Wayneactia » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:14 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:
Looks like International Security/Mild to me.

It's not increasing military spending


"Nations have the right to deny migrants access into its borders for the purpose of protecting its citizens and society from harm, therefore nations are allowed to deny entry into the nation to any non-legal migrant unless defined as a legal refugee; seeking asylum."

Increases law enforcement spending.


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