student rights & education bill

[Chaos2525]

cONCERNED that without equal oppurnity's the country's youth will have an education but will not be literate and growing poverty
believes in
a)that specialist school's should be instead of regular schools from secondary level

b) that every student rich or poor will have equal opportunities created by the government

c)the government will take care of the education orphans,the physically and mentally challenged and provide them with jobs which they can excel in

d)corporal punishments will be outlawed

e)anti-raging,anti-bullying communities will be recognized by the government

f)the government will protect the interest of the students of all economic classes by giving mid day meals

g)a special police unit will be set-up to scout acts of child labour and child abuse

h)students have a right to post their opinions by becoming the member of the national student council which will be a democratic set-up

i)students will get books by the government at cost price making no profit

j) specialist schools will be classified into (they will have sub category's respectively )




Arts (can be Media, Performing Arts, Visual Arts, or combination of these)
Economics
Business & Enterprise
Engineering
Humanities
Languages
Mathematics & Computing
Music
Science
Sports
Technology
note: English and basic maths as compulsory subjects

k) students have a right to be protected from any injustice done in today's world

[Absolvability]

Good Ambassador, this proposal has some real promise. You touch on several issues that have yet to be dealt with by this World Assembly of ours. However, I do not feel that your initial 'concern' clause adequately describes your reason for the various issues the proposal goes on to address.

I feel you may be trying to do too much all at once. In doing so I feel that you are not paying these important issues enough individual attention, and that you are also inviting opposition from too many angles for this proposal to ever go anywhere.

For example... article F, I feel, is a good idea. It stands to reason that most schools might offer a 'lunchtime,' but it is certainly not yet illegal not to, and so I can respect the article. However, it has little to do with outlawing corporal punishment, don't you think? Either of these would be an excellent idea for a proposal all on its own.

[Free Celtic Lands]

This shows real change that is needed for all nations. But like The Access to Science in Schools Bill I fear this will catch allot of flak for messing with countries education systems. This doesn't mean I am against you. In fact I support this bill strongly. However I am concerned about the reaction that will come out of this bill.

Again though good idea and you have my nations full support behind this bill.

Jacob Free Celtic Lands Ambassador to WA

[Chaos2525]

Good Ambassador, this proposal has some real promise. You touch on several issues that have yet to be dealt with by this World Assembly of ours. However, I do not feel that your initial 'concern' clause adequately describes your reason for the various issues the proposal goes on to address.

I feel you may be trying to do too much all at once. In doing so I feel that you are not paying these important issues enough individual attention, and that you are also inviting opposition from too many angles for this proposal to ever go anywhere.

For example... article F, I feel, is a good idea. It stands to reason that most schools might offer a 'lunchtime,' but it is certainly not yet illegal not to, and so I can respect the article. However, it has little to do with outlawing corporal punishment, don't you think? Either of these would be an excellent idea for a proposal all on its own.

dear sir
article f means that the school will provide meals for free to children this is basically to attract children of socially and economically backward classes usaully these children in devolping countries work in households or other places at very cheap rates and even in factories of the whole nationstates this is a good investment since these children will be the future of the country and by providing basic foodstuff like rice,eggs,vegetables and soft bread we can give a good and economically effieciant diet

[Luchsandria]

I follow Absolvability's line of thinking in that it is a good idea that simply needs to be worded better, both in reason for such a proposal, and in simple grammar. The issue is worded incredibly vaguely, and I believe before it can go anywhere, it needs a rewording, while stating the same principles.

Luchsandria does, however, stand behind this bill.

[Absolvability]

dear sir

You may call me Antonius, if it pleases you to be informal. In which case I hope to learn your name as well. Incidentally, my father's name is "Sir."

article f means that the school will provide meals for free to children this is basically to attract children of socially and economically backward classes usaully these children in devolping countries work in households or other places at very cheap rates and even in factories of the whole nationstates this is a good investment since these children will be the future of the country and by providing basic foodstuff like rice,eggs,vegetables and soft bread we can give a good and economically effieciant diet

Thank you for bringing clarity to that. If you check your proposal, however, I think you'll find that the wording of article F is not sufficient to guarantee schools provide FREE lunches. There are many ways in which one can interpret "give," none of which necessarily precludes recieving money in exchange.

As a suggestion, since proper education systems require a great deal of money, it might be wise to (rather than making meals free for everyone,) institute some sort of provisions for the needy in this regard. Which will take care of the problem, I believe, without cutting off schools from possibly necessary funding when it can be afforded. Furthermore, you might even go so far as to enact a maximum amount of money that can be requested. Also (uh oh, now I'm rambling,) you might want to create some sort of Healthy Food committee to examine and maintain quality/safety standards for school meals.

OOC: Do you see how complicated the issue could be? You'd never be able to confine all the points you address in this proposal into a single category upon official submission time. Furthermore, you'll never be able to cover them sufficiently in the proposal character limit. While it may seem rude of me... I think it is for your own benefit that you scrap this proposal as is, choose some of the issues in it that are of particular importance to you... and have at it. The rest can certainly come later. We've nothing but time.

[Neptune-aughts]

While our people believe strongly in any bill in regards to fair and encouraged education, we too feel that this particular bill imposes far to many restrictions than is necessary.

Clearly, Articles B, D, F, I and K have extreme merit and are a worthy fighting cause. If this Bill stood only on those grounds, we the Kingdom of Neptune-aughts would endorse and support in any way possible.

However, I will touch lightly on the remaining Articles and my concerns in hopes that you may take this as constructive criticism and that with a new evaluated Bill, that you may receive our full support.

On Articles A and J, which are similar in nature, we feel there is no need to impose regulation on the types of schools available nor the need to impose a specialty school at merely the secondary level. To mandate specialty schools at the secondary level would force students to make life altering decisions far beyond their clear direction or skills. We also feel that to impose categories of schools would require future Amendments for schools that did not meet these specifications. This becomes an administrative situation that we feel is best avoided.

On Article C, we believe this is not in regards to the true nature of the Bill. As the overall Bill is to require fair education for all, orphans and mentally and physically challenged individuals would fall into this category. To mandate Employment Law for these individuals is a separate concern. While the concern is of true merit, we believe it is best to go along with either a Humanitarian Bill or Labor Bill.

On Articles E and G, we believe there are sufficient policies in place to ensure the safety and well being of all minors. To mandate each Nation to fulfill these requirements would take far to much money, time and effort to complete. We believe it is up to each Nation to ensure the safety and well being of their students in accordance to previous World Assembly Bills.

On Article H, we feel again that to force each Government to establish a National Student Council is an unnecessary administrative task. By focusing efforts and funds on one specific National Education Program, you will take away from other programs that may be equal or better for specific students. Education requirements and programs can vary so greatly that we feel it is best to leave individual Nations and School in control.

We hope you take our opinion into consideration with the next version of the Bill. We would be happy to review the next version and offer any assistance that we can. We hope to give our support to a re-evaluated version of your Bill.

Sincerely,

Prince Neptune of the Kingdom of Neptune-aughts

[Chaos2525]

While our people believe strongly in any bill in regards to fair and encouraged education, we too feel that this particular bill imposes far to many restrictions than is necessary.

Clearly, Articles B, D, F, I and K have extreme merit and are a worthy fighting cause. If this Bill stood only on those grounds, we the Kingdom of Neptune-aughts would endorse and support in any way possible.

However, I will touch lightly on the remaining Articles and my concerns in hopes that you may take this as constructive criticism and that with a new evaluated Bill, that you may receive our full support.

On Articles A and J, which are similar in nature, we feel there is no need to impose regulation on the types of schools available nor the need to impose a specialty school at merely the secondary level. To mandate specialty schools at the secondary level would force students to make life altering decisions far beyond their clear direction or skills. We also feel that to impose categories of schools would require future Amendments for schools that did not meet these specifications. This becomes an administrative situation that we feel is best avoided.

On Article C, we believe this is not in regards to the true nature of the Bill. As the overall Bill is to require fair education for all, orphans and mentally and physically challenged individuals would fall into this category. To mandate Employment Law for these individuals is a separate concern. While the concern is of true merit, we believe it is best to go along with either a Humanitarian Bill or Labor Bill.

On Articles E and G, we believe there are sufficient policies in place to ensure the safety and well being of all minors. To mandate each Nation to fulfill these requirements would take far to much money, time and effort to complete. We believe it is up to each Nation to ensure the safety and well being of their students in accordance to previous World Assembly Bills.

On Article H, we feel again that to force each Government to establish a National Student Council is an unnecessary administrative task. By focusing efforts and funds on one specific National Education Program, you will take away from other programs that may be equal or better for specific students. Education requirements and programs can vary so greatly that we feel it is best to leave individual Nations and School in control.

We hope you take our opinion into consideration with the next version of the Bill. We would be happy to review the next version and offer any assistance that we can. We hope to give our support to a re-evaluated version of your Bill.

Sincerely,

Prince Neptune of the Kingdom of Neptune-aughts

dear sir i will definetly look at the points stated

[Chaos2525]

dear sir

You may call me Antonius, if it pleases you to be informal. In which case I hope to learn your name as well. Incidentally, my father's name is "Sir."

article f means that the school will provide meals for free to children this is basically to attract children of socially and economically backward classes usaully these children in devolping countries work in households or other places at very cheap rates and even in factories of the whole nationstates this is a good investment since these children will be the future of the country and by providing basic foodstuff like rice,eggs,vegetables and soft bread we can give a good and economically effieciant diet

Thank you for bringing clarity to that. If you check your proposal, however, I think you'll find that the wording of article F is not sufficient to guarantee schools provide FREE lunches. There are many ways in which one can interpret "give," none of which necessarily precludes recieving money in exchange.

As a suggestion, since proper education systems require a great deal of money, it might be wise to (rather than making meals free for everyone,) institute some sort of provisions for the needy in this regard. Which will take care of the problem, I believe, without cutting off schools from possibly necessary funding when it can be afforded. Furthermore, you might even go so far as to enact a maximum amount of money that can be requested. Also (uh oh, now I'm rambling,) you might want to create some sort of Healthy Food committee to examine and maintain quality/safety standards for school meals.

OOC: Do you see how complicated the issue could be? You'd never be able to confine all the points you address in this proposal into a single category upon official submission time. Furthermore, you'll never be able to cover them sufficiently in the proposal character limit. While it may seem rude of me... I think it is for your own benefit that you scrap this proposal as is, choose some of the issues in it that are of particular importance to you... and have at it. The rest can certainly come later. We've nothing but time.

s i will write everything well sir we can give cheap but good food stuff like eggs ,vegetables

cheers
chaos2525

[Cosmicchaos]

This shows real change that is needed for all nations. But like The Access to Science in Schools Bill I fear this will catch allot of flak for messing with countries education systems. This doesn't mean I am against you. In fact I support this bill strongly. However I am concerned about the reaction that will come out of this bill.

Again though good idea and you have my nations full support behind this bill.

Jacob Free Celtic Lands Ambassador to WA

An Excellent point.
Changes In Education may not be pleasant or unanimous but they are needed
Sure this bill will be looked at with disfavour by some nations
But what is required for the greater good of all has to be done.

You have my nations support Chaos2525

[Cosmicchaos]

cONCERNED that without equal opportunities the country's youth will have some basic education but will not be literate and hence to contain growing poverty due to illiteracy .............

a)that specialist school's should be established instead of regular schools from secondary level to provide in depth Education with reference to the students chosen Subjects

b) that every student rich or poor will have equal opportunities created by the government ( through job welfare?? )

c)the government will take care of the education of orphans,the physically and mentally challenged children and provide them with jobs which they can excel in

d)corporal punishments will be outlawed (how about making the appointment of counselors in every school compulsory??)

e)anti-ragging,anti-bullying communities will be recognized by the government

f)the government will protect the interest of the students of all economic classes by giving mid day meals

g)a special police unit will be set-up to scout acts of child labour and child abuse

h)students have a right to post their opinions by becoming the member of the national student council which will be a democratic set-up(excellent idea!!)

i)students will get books by the government at cost price making no profit (free books for the under privileged maybe???)

j) specialist schools will be classified into (they will have sub category's respectively )




Arts (can be Media, Performing Arts, Visual Arts, or combination of these)
Economics
Business & Enterprise
Engineering
Humanities
Languages
Mathematics & Computing
Music
Science
Sports
Technology
note: English and basic maths as compulsory subjects

k) students have a right to be protected from any injustice done in today's world (this clause doesnt make much sense to me chaos 2525 could you explain it to me)


I just tried to rectify some errors and gave some suggestions,Let me know your views Chaos2525
And they are just suggestions you can implement them if you think they are necessary and they fit into your scheme of things

[Cosmicchaos]

I have a doubt

Would this Bill if passed be applicable only to Government institutions and will Private institution be exempt from it ????

[Sonnveld]

Sonnveld commends her colleague Chaos2525 for writing this legislation.

However, we wish to express some reservations with the legislation as written.

Referencing Measure K, "k) students have a right to be protected from any injustice done in today's world" This is a very broad and ultimately costly measure to enact. Any attempt to enforce it would likely overshadow the legislation's other provisions in terms of cost and effort. Furthermore, we feel that shielding students from the world's realities is foolish; it's their world and they will be a part of it when they graduate.

We do, however, feel that violence and strife should be kept out of our member nations' collegiate campuses so as to foster an environment where learning and the pursuit thereof can be most efficacious.

On Measure J: Language and Art are subsets of the Humanities.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Too short and it's illegal anyway because the WA can't have a police force.

[Robbenshire]

To put it bluntly, fellow delegates, not every citizen wants to be educated, and for that matter, not every citizen needs to be educated. By putting emphasis on education, we spend billions of tax dollars to keep our children tucked away in schools for twelve years or more, feeling as though they have nothing to contribute to society until they have completed their education, which is a lie. Without plumbers and handymen, for example, where would modern society be? And yet, such trades are not taught in primary school, but rather in trade school, which cannot be attended until after twelve successful years being educated in a school that teaches, for the most part, useless information for the average citizen.

It could be said that the average citizen would be duller and less informed for lack of a broad-spectrum education, but if you've been to high school recently you would know that the average student learns what they need to to pass the test and promptly forgets about it afterward, and your typical post-education individual knows only smatterings of the things taught in school. History, advanced mathematics, science, culture, and more are all advanced subjects that have limited application in life, and where they do apply they require advanced understanding to use in an effective manner, and this understanding is beyond the desire of the average citizen to maintain. Only what is needed, is retained.

Thus, a wiser system, which this proposal touches on in Section A, would be to provide trade education to citizens, allowing them to pursue a field and focus exclusively on those subjects needed to excel in that field. This trade education would not need to start at a young age; children of around twelve or thirteen years could begin apprenticeship with a local business, while those younger can be put to work at home. The formative years of a child's life should be spent learning the importance of hard work, and not knowledge. Such a system would save money by allowing the larger population to get a simpler, more effective trade-based education of perhaps four or five years, including apprenticeship. The money saved on pre-collegiate education could be spent to give those who wish to pursue advanced careers such as science, law, or medicine, a more affordable, if not free, specialized education in a useful field.

[Chaos2525]

CONCERNED that without equal oppurnity's the country's youth will have an education but will not be literate and growing poverty
believes in
a)That, specialist school's should be instead of regular schools from secondary level :Specialist schools these schools start at secondary level .This will allow students to drop subjects irrelevant to their chosen career ,for example a student who wants to become a doctor can drop economics .

b) That, every student rich or poor will have equal opportunities created by the government through giving student equal educational opportunity's .

c)The government will take care of the education orphans,the physically and mentally challenged by providing free education

d)corporal punishments will be outlawed

e)Anti-raging,anti-bullying communities will be recognized by the government

f)The government will protect the interest of the students of all economic classes by giving mid day meals

g)a special police unit will be set-up to scout acts of child labour and child abuse and police presence near the schools at a discrete distance will be encouraged.

h)Students have a right to post their opinions by becoming the member of the national student council which will be a democratic set-up

i)Students will get books by the government at cost price making no profit

j) Specialist schools will be classified into (they will have sub category's respectively )




Arts (can be Media, Performing Arts, Visual Arts, or combination of these)
Economics
Business & Enterprise
Engineering
Humanities
Languages
Mathematics & Computing
Music
Science
Sports
Technology
note: English and basic maths are compulsory subjects

[Rutianas]

CONCERNED that without equal oppurnity's the country's youth will have an education but will not be literate and growing poverty
believes in
a)That, specialist school's should be instead of regular schools from secondary level :Specialist schools these schools start at secondary level .This will allow students to drop subjects irrelevant to their chosen career ,for example a student who wants to become a doctor can drop economics .

b) That, every student rich or poor will have equal opportunities created by the government through giving student equal educational opportunity's .

c)The government will take care of the education orphans,the physically and mentally challenged by providing free education

d)corporal punishments will be outlawed

e)Anti-raging,anti-bullying communities will be recognized by the government

f)The government will protect the interest of the students of all economic classes by giving mid day meals

g)A special police unit will be set-up to scout acts of child labour and child abuse

h)Students have a right to post their opinions by becoming the member of the national student council which will be a democratic set-up

i)Students will get books by the government at cost price making no profit

j) Specialist schools will be classified into (they will have sub category's respectively )




Arts (can be Media, Performing Arts, Visual Arts, or combination of these)
Economics
Business & Enterprise
Engineering
Humanities
Languages
Mathematics & Computing
Music
Science
Sports
Technology
note: English and basic maths are compulsory subjects

I'll nibble a little.

First, Why should English be compulsory? It's not the 'official' language and some nations don't speak English. Perhaps make it so that a foreign language is required, but don't specify English.

Second, it probably should be that these specialty schools are to be offered, but not replace secondary schools. Some governments require certain subjects for graduation from government funded schools. That would automatically make these specialty schools have to be private.

Paragraph G is unnecessary as per previous resolutions.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

[Sonnveld]

Rutianas makes a good point regarding the promotion of English as the lingua franca of the academic world. We feel that English was arbitrarily chosen. Nevertheless, there should be a universal language that is spoken by all scholars and students.

Science has already designated Latin for its unifying language. Scientists in Mongolia and San Francisco can point to an object — par example, a horse — and say Equus caballus and know what is being spoken of.

Scholars in Mediæval Germany Latinised their names because Latin was the lingua franca of the learned class. The tradition comes down to us today; a German man named Markus is a chronological descendant of a German scholar of the 1300s.

Since the school tradition began in Ancient Hellas, Sonnveld proposes that the educational unifying language be Greek, perhaps mixed with Latin in branches of academia that call for it (such as medicine).

Unfair to non-Greek speakers? Too hard to learn? We ask, if the students aren't there to learn, what the hell are they doing? Beer can be drunk without shelling out tens of thousands of monetary units and shoe-horning oneself into small rooms with strangers. In any learning experience there will be those who ace it and those who have to struggle. The job of the aces is to bring those having difficulty along.

[Rutianas]

Rutianas makes a good point regarding the promotion of English as the lingua franca of the academic world. We feel that English was arbitrarily chosen. Nevertheless, there should be a universal language that is spoken by all scholars and students.

Science has already designated Latin for its unifying language. Scientists in Mongolia and San Francisco can point to an object — par example, a horse — and say Equus caballus and know what is being spoken of.

Scholars in Mediæval Germany Latinised their names because Latin was the lingua franca of the learned class. The tradition comes down to us today; a German man named Markus is a chronological descendant of a German scholar of the 1300s.

Since the school tradition began in Ancient Hellas, Sonnveld proposes that the educational unifying language be Greek, perhaps mixed with Latin in branches of academia that call for it (such as medicine).

Unfair to non-Greek speakers? Too hard to learn? We ask, if the students aren't there to learn, what the hell are they doing? Beer can be drunk without shelling out tens of thousands of monetary units and shoe-horning oneself into small rooms with strangers. In any learning experience there will be those who ace it and those who have to struggle. The job of the aces is to bring those having difficulty along.

You seem to be assuming that all nations use Latin as a unifying language. The Imperial Republic, for one, does not. We didn't even know of Latin until we began studying off-world nations.

If you want a universal language, write a proposal for one. Until then, no single foreign language should be mandated in all WA schools. Too many nations have too many languages. We have English, German, and Rutian. We will not learn Greek, French, Russian, Japanese, or whatever, just to satisfy some nation that thinks we need to. For that matter, why not just learn Rutian for a common language? It's a much smoother language than German or English and it just sounds better. This will, of course, the the argument from many nations. Use our language. No, use ours. Just state that a foreign language is required, don't demand what language it is, and be done with it.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

[Chaos2525]

CONCERNED that without equal oppurnity's the country's youth will have an education but will not be literate and growing poverty
believes in
a)That, specialist school's should be instead of regular schools from secondary level :Specialist schools these schools start at secondary level .This will allow students to drop subjects irrelevant to their chosen career ,for example a student who wants to become a doctor can drop economics .

b) That, every student rich or poor will have equal opportunities created by the government through giving student equal educational opportunity's .

c)The government will take care of the education orphans,the physically and mentally challenged by providing free education

d)corporal punishments will be outlawed

e)Anti-raging,anti-bullying communities will be recognized by the government

f)The government will protect the interest of the students of all economic classes by giving mid day meals

g)A special police unit will be set-up to scout acts of child labour and child abuse

h)Students have a right to post their opinions by becoming the member of the national student council which will be a democratic set-up

i)Students will get books by the government at cost price making no profit

j) Specialist schools will be classified into (they will have sub category's respectively )




Arts (can be Media, Performing Arts, Visual Arts, or combination of these)
Economics
Business & Enterprise
Engineering
Humanities
Languages
Mathematics & Computing
Music
Science
Sports
Technology
note: one language and basic maths are compulsory subjects

[Rutianas]

Paragraph g is still illegal. Child labour and child abuse are already illegal, therefore, no special police units are needed.

I still have my initial concern. Some nations have strict rules as to what classes a student must take for graduation. You're telling them that they must change their laws in order to provide these specialty schools as you do state that the government must create the opportunity for education.

Now, with setting up an education system, you toss in that the government is responsible for orphans and physically and mentally challenged individuals. That further states that these schools must be government funded if these people are getting free education. In other words, public education. I would think that most nations have a public education system. These individuals are likely getting a free education already.

The Imperial Republic has a similar system to what you're proposing. We require everyone to have a broad education as well as their specialty. Our Diplomats take science, music, technology, and humanities, among other things, and are much better off for it in the future. We require these classes for a reason and for you to tell us that we don't have to require them anymore tells us that you don't understand the benefits of a broad education. It tells me that the Ambassador from Chaos2525 is just irritated that he had to take specific classes in order to graduate.

Instead of helping education, I do think you'd be hurting it by saying that 'if someone in one specialty doesn't want to take what the government thinks they should, then they don't have to take it and the government has to provide for it'. If you want to create this type of education system, do not mandate that the government must put a single penny into it in any way, shape, or form.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

[Cosmicchaos]

I agree paragraph g is obsolete and not needed

[Morlago]

Article G is definitely redundant, but other than that I am givng this proposal almost 100% support. What does this proposal actually do? You say "Concerned by the fact that.........", but no clause says encourages/mandates/requires. Are you just making a point that you are concerned about this matter, or are you going one step beyond that and do something about it? I cannot tell from this proposal.

[Morlago]

I'm quite sorry, but now I see what you want to do. I didn't read it fully. However, where you say the government will do this and that should be a separate clause as it is where you not describe the matter but describe the actions of this proposal.

[Chaos2525]

CONCERNED that without equal oppurnity's the country's youth will have an education but will not be literate and growing poverty
believes in
a)That, specialist school's should be instead of regular schools from secondary level :Specialist schools these schools start at secondary level .This will allow students to drop subjects irrelevant to their chosen career ,for example a student who wants to become a doctor can drop economics .

b) That, every student rich or poor will have equal opportunities created by the government through giving student equal educational opportunity's .

c)The government will take care of the education orphans,the physically and mentally challenged by providing free education

d)corporal punishments will be outlawed

e)Anti-raging,anti-bullying communities will be recognized by the government

f)The government will protect the interest of the students of all economic classes by giving mid day meals

g)The local police units will scouts acts of child labour and child abuse

h)Students have a right to post their opinions by becoming the member of the national student council which will be a democratic set-up

i)Students will get books by the government at cost price making no profit

j) Specialist schools will be classified into (they will have sub category's respectively )




Arts (can be Media, Performing Arts, Visual Arts, or combination of these)
Economics
Business & Enterprise
Engineering
Humanities
Languages
Mathematics & Computing
Music
Science
Sports
Technology
note: one language and basic maths are compulsory subjects