Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

This reactionary windmill-tilting does nought but provide entertainment. Your proposal is doomed and I suggest you abandon it.

[Catsfern]

why is this a thing, well i know why you disagree with the resolution, but it passed overwhelmingly there's no way that a majority would ever repeal it, or heck i doubt it would get the needed support to go to vote. Honestly this just seems in bad taste to me, the resolution just passed too at least give it time to simmer before wanting it repealed.

[Slavakino]

Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings

Thank you my good man, I do not agree with this law that has pasted due to it practically forcing other nations to submit to transgender people or they are "bigoted"

[Refuge Isle]

why is this a thing, well i know why you disagree with the resolution, but it passed overwhelmingly there's no way that a majority would ever repeal it, or heck i doubt it would get the needed support to go to vote. Honestly this just seems in bad taste to me, the resolution just passed too at least give it time to simmer before wanting it repealed.

In a world where tolerance costs nothing, it proves to be very expensive.

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: Your penultimate clause still reads such that it appears to be legislating in a repeal.)

[Al-Diwajah]

[OOC] Well, I find fault with the misunderstanding of gender and sex which is riddled throughout this proposal. Sex and gender are different, but trans identified individuals are without a doubt victim of mental illness. The solution to this is not to pump them with chemicals or coerce them into unnecessary surgeries, but to get to the root of the problem: outdated sex-roles. People simply do not fit into archaic boxes, and by placing men and women into confines from day one, that creates one as a dominator and the other as the dominated, simply does not work. This is where transgender ideology stems from, a disconnect between one's biological sex and the roles they are ascribed. But this is common with everyone, trans identified individuals take it to another level.

In conjunction with this realization, trans identified individuals take up a superiority complex, declaring themselves above others and their "oppression" the worst. They threaten women with violence, hurling slurs at them and harming them to get their way. They police their language and prevent their speech, their speech on their own grievances with patriarchy. While some discrimination exists, their lobbies with stacks of money and power are handed unquestioned potency. The link between trans identified individuals and various mental and social illnesses is also noted by scientists, especially with regards to hypersexuality. But this is not reason for discrimination, and instead, opens up the necessary road to treatment. Treatment should not consist of - in any way - surgeries or chemicals. This is petty individualism, let's focus on the prime issue: hackneyed gender. By shooing away gender, and patriarchy at large, transgenderism won't exist, as gender as a whole won't, and people won't have the burden forced upon them of connecting their personality to their sex, and society won't fix people into boxes based on their sex either. This is the only remedy to the problem, the only liberating route forward...

Forcing on all countries to go against science and reality and legitimatize that which is illegitimate is what some could deem "Orwellian", perhaps this is true. Trans identified people exist, but they cannot change gender (which is decided by virtue of one's birth by society) nor sex. Gender is a social construct, just as race is. If one cannot "change" race, they too cannot "change" gender. If gender causes problems, the only resolution is its abolition, plain and simple.

While concurring with the need to repeal this sickening act, I feel as though this attempt at a repeal will be futile. Furthermore, because much of the virtual world here is diseased with the ideology of capitalism, and the decadent, illegitimate gender politics of the west, it is unlikely the World Assembly will ever accept reality - that biological sex exists, that gender has been constructed, and that hormone therapy is an unjust band-aid to an overall plague of outdated sex-roles. Until this is realized, nothing will change.

[Saciu]

[OOC] Well, I find fault with the misunderstanding of gender and sex which is riddled throughout this proposal. Sex and gender are different, but trans identified individuals are without a doubt victim of mental illness. The solution to this is not to pump them with chemicals or coerce them into unnecessary surgeries, but to get to the root of the problem: outdated sex-roles. People simply do not fit into archaic boxes, and by placing men and women into confines from day one, that creates one as a dominator and the other as the dominated, simply does not work. This is where transgender ideology stems from, a disconnect between one's biological sex and the roles they are ascribed. But this is common with everyone, trans identified individuals take it to another level.

In conjunction with this realization, trans identified individuals take up a superiority complex, declaring themselves above others and their "oppression" the worst. They threaten women with violence, hurling slurs at them and harming them to get their way. They police their language and prevent their speech, their speech on their own grievances with patriarchy. While some discrimination exists, their lobbies with stacks of money and power are handed unquestioned potency. The link between trans identified individuals and various mental and social illnesses is also noted by scientists, especially with regards to hypersexuality. But this is not reason for discrimination, and instead, opens up the necessary road to treatment. Treatment should not consist of - in any way - surgeries or chemicals. This is petty individualism, let's focus on the prime issue: hackneyed gender. By shooing away gender, and patriarchy at large, transgenderism won't exist, as gender as a whole won't, and people won't have the burden forced upon them of connecting their personality to their sex, and society won't fix people into boxes based on their sex either. This is the only remedy to the problem, the only liberating route forward...

Forcing on all countries to go against science and reality and legitimatize that which is illegitimate is what some could deem "Orwellian", perhaps this is true. Trans identified people exist, but they cannot change gender (which is decided by virtue of one's birth by society) nor sex. Gender is a social construct, just as race is. If one cannot "change" race, they too cannot "change" gender. If gender causes problems, the only resolution is its abolition, plain and simple.

While concurring with the need to repeal this sickening act, I feel as though this attempt at a repeal will be futile. Furthermore, because much of the virtual world here is diseased with the ideology of capitalism, and the decadent, illegitimate gender politics of the west, it is unlikely the World Assembly will ever accept reality - that biological sex exists, that gender has been constructed, and that hormone therapy is an unjust band-aid to an overall plague of outdated sex-roles. Until this is realized, nothing will change.

Evidence shows that gender is not based in society but instead in the brain.

[Tinfect]

[OOC]

OOC:
I just want to note that this is such offensively wrong nonsense that you're making me respond to it with a broken arm.

Sex and gender are different, but trans identified individuals are without a doubt victim of mental illness.

This is literally scientifically wrong.

The solution to this is not to pump them with chemicals or coerce them into unnecessary surgeries, but to get to the root of the problem: outdated sex-roles. People simply do not fit into archaic boxes, and by placing men and women into confines from day one, that creates one as a dominator and the other as the dominated, simply does not work. This is where transgender ideology stems from, a disconnect between one's biological sex and the roles they are ascribed. But this is common with everyone, trans identified individuals take it to another level.

The entire framing of this is wrong. Hormones are not some scary chemical boogeyman; its the exact same shit as is produced in the bodies of cis people, with the same effects; there is no coercion into transition-related surgeries, I can absolutely assure you that the closest thing to even encouragement on the subject is neutral doctor talk, or even straight up discouragement. Gender roles have absolutely no connection to transgender people; I defied them before transition, and I defy them now. You can find limitless examples of visibly GNC transpeople if you're looking for a specific kind of presentation.

Gender Dysphoria has, similarly, no connection to gender roles; gender is similarly constructed, but distinct from gender roles. I'm not a woman because I... I don't know, enjoy housework, (which I can assure you, I don't,) I'm a woman because I, fundamentally, am a woman, regardless of what some sorely mistaken doctors said before I could speak for myself. Transpeople have no desire to be pigeonholed into the roles that bigoted morons demand; often, we are actively punished for not doing so. I know someone who was denied HRT because she's a butch lesbian and didn't want to wear a dress to an appointment with said bigoted moron who held the keys to her treatment.

In conjunction with this realization, trans identified individuals take up a superiority complex, declaring themselves above others and their "oppression" the worst. They threaten women with violence, hurling slurs at them and harming them to get their way. They police their language and prevent their speech, their speech on their own grievances with patriarchy.

I don't know what to say about this, it's literally just wrong. I can personally assure you, we do not think we're some kind of hyperoppressed minority, that's absurd. Like any other oppressed group, we are uniquely oppressed in specific ways, like the immense transmisogyny you're demonstrating right now. We, like everyone else, have an interest in doing something about hate speech, especially when targeted against us; I hope I don't need to tell you how hate speech is for all intents and purposes violence/calls to violence.

While some discrimination exists, their lobbies with stacks of money and power are handed unquestioned potency.

There is no all-powerful trans lobby. This is plain enough to be self-evident.

The link between trans identified individuals and various mental and social illnesses is also noted by scientists, especially with regards to hypersexuality.

Maybe it has something to do with the abuse, violence, and more systemic oppression we face on a daily basis. Besides the point, why do you underline hypersexuality? Am I supposed to be super disturbed that trans people like to have sex? Most people do.

But this is not reason for discrimination, and instead, opens up the necessary road to treatment. Treatment should not consist of - in any way - surgeries or chemicals.

Again, your framing is absurd. Second; you're rejecting what are the proven, scientifically successful treatment methods.

This is petty individualism, let's focus on the prime issue: hackneyed gender. By shooing away gender, and patriarchy at large, transgenderism won't exist, as gender as a whole won't, and people won't have the burden forced upon them of connecting their personality to their sex, and society won't fix people into boxes based on their sex either. This is the only remedy to the problem, the only liberating route forward...

Again, this presents the patently wrong idea that transgender people's identities rest on patriarchal bullshit. This, again, is wrong. Trans people cannot be wished away by abolishing gender; it's more than that.

Oh, and, I can't help but laugh at the idea that we should refuse individual treatment in favor of frankly reactionary idealism. You don't get to use the language of liberation to promote such absurdity.

Forcing on all countries to go against science and reality and legitimatize that which is illegitimate is what some could deem "Orwellian", perhaps this is true.

Science is not on your side.

Gender is a social construct, just as race is. If one cannot "change" race, they too cannot "change" gender.

Race is not a remotely equivalent construct to gender.

If gender causes problems, the only resolution is its abolition, plain and simple.

I agree; it's a construct that society would frankly be better off without. But Trans People will continue to exist.

Furthermore, because much of the virtual world here is diseased with the ideology of capitalism, and the decadent, illegitimate gender politics of the west,

Frankly, this is reactionary Strasserite rhetoric, and if you claim to be a leftist of any stripe, you should know better.

Finally, the fact that you call this a western thing is hilariously wrong; trans people have existed long before modernity, and countless cultures have had accommodation and recognition of trans and non-binary people, that the west wiped out.

[Luna Amore]

Casual reminder since this was also a problem in the original proposal thread: this is a GA proposal, not an NSG debate.

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: I suggest, on a more general note, Bluefarst, that you try and add some clauses about things other than gender and sex being synonymous and transgender people being incorrect. As this is not supported by science, it will probably have to be removed at some point anyway, so I suggest adding some more points about different topics to your proposal.)

[BlackLight Covenant]

"Now I might be mistaken here, but I recall there being another, older resolution that also confirms the existence of transgender as a real thing, in which case you will be forced to repeal not one but two resolutions to have your "nullifies the transgender denomination legal meaning" idea come true, so I would suggest removing that bit. I'd also suggest trying to fix the grammar and overall way of writing of your proposal, or to alternatively find someone who wants to do it for you, as in its current state, the whole text flow is rather...awkward.

Of course, I would first of all strongly recommend not even trying to actually work on this repeal in the first place, as the resolution it seeks to repeal was passed with an overwhelming majority. Listening to the recordings of the heated debate that accompanied the voting process, I strongly doubt that your ideas of "transgenderism is only a mental illness" will gather much support. You are free to try, though."

[Araraukar]

(OOC: I suggest, on a more general note, Bluefarst, that you try and add some clauses about things other than gender and sex being synonymous and transgender people being incorrect. As this is not supported by science, it will probably have to be removed at some point anyway, so I suggest adding some more points about different topics to your proposal.)

OOC: It's not that, though, that makes it unreasonable on the repeal attempts for the target, it's that it's literally mandated in #91, rather than just stated like the target.

"Now I might be mistaken here, but I recall there being another, older resolution that also confirms the existence of transgender as a real thing, in which case you will be forced to repeal not one but two resolutions to have your "nullifies the transgender denomination legal meaning" idea come true"

OOC: Exactly. And it's GA #91, A Convention On Gender.

[Al-Diwajah]

The entire framing of this is wrong. Hormones are not some scary chemical boogeyman; its the exact same shit as is produced in the bodies of cis people, with the same effects; there is no coercion into transition-related surgeries, I can absolutely assure you that the closest thing to even encouragement on the subject is neutral doctor talk, or even straight up discouragement. Gender roles have absolutely no connection to transgender people; I defied them before transition, and I defy them now. You can find limitless examples of visibly GNC transpeople if you're looking for a specific kind of presentation.

Sure, hormones are natural. But pumping it into people unnecessarily with an unreachable goal is straight-up stupid. The effect of introducing cross-sexed hormones in the body is usually never good. Some can die, and there is an increased risk of heart attacks and stroke. People who undergo these "treatments" still are glued to mental illness, and potential long-term consequences thus it is not an effective treatment.

As for whether or not gender roles have a connection to trans identified people or not, I would disagree with your conception. In truth, gender is circumscribed to - you guessed it - gender! Trans identified people think they can escape their sex-roles - that is, gender, created by patriarchy - by identifying out of them, calling biology dead, and that through, at times, unfixable cosmetic surgeries and chemical "treatments", they can transition fully and totally. This is illogical. You cannot identify out of gender in the same way you can't with any other social construct. You can't identify out of race, and you can't call pigmentation dead. It's illogical, one exists and the other doesn't. The solution is to throw out what doesn't exist and limits people's freedoms and keep what's real and cannot be gotten rid of! Abolish race, not pigmentation. Abolish gender, not sex. It's simple.

Gender Dysphoria has, similarly, no connection to gender roles; gender is similarly constructed, but distinct from gender roles. I'm not a woman because I... I don't know, enjoy housework, (which I can assure you, I don't,) I'm a woman because I, fundamentally, am a woman, regardless of what some sorely mistaken doctors said before I could speak for myself. Transpeople have no desire to be pigeonholed into the roles that bigoted morons demand; often, we are actively punished for not doing so. I know someone who was denied HRT because she's a butch lesbian and didn't want to wear a dress to an appointment with said bigoted moron who held the keys to her treatment.

Gender is stereotypes, it is sex-roles, created by the patriarchy. Men are told to be strong, thus they dominate, and women are told to be weak and subservient, thus through the socialization and internalization of gender, and the systemic power of men, they are oppressed. Gender is how women under patriarchy are oppressed.

Yes, you are right about not being a woman, because being a woman is not an identity, but a biological reality. A woman is an adult human being. Housework, which is usually dictated to woman, is a part of gender, but this does not create womanhood, but rather, contributes to the construct of femininity as a whole.

You seek to imprison yourself to the laws and principles of femininity, even while keeping hold of some aspects of masculinity (because every male has been socialized into this box). Again, femininity ≠ womanhood. You have yet to define and explain what makes you a woman, outside of a vague "I am a woman because I said so." Again, womanhood is based in biological sex, not gender. You can try to be feminine, but it is a created sex-role, and just downright is illogical. Women are trying to escape femininity, why do you find pleasure in joining its ranks? It makes no sense. If you are not content with masculinity, join the movement - eliminate gender, don't create more boxes, or restrict yourself to another.

I don't know what to say about this, it's literally just wrong. I can personally assure you, we do not think we're some kind of hyperoppressed minority, that's absurd. Like any other oppressed group, we are uniquely oppressed in specific ways, like the immense transmisogyny you're demonstrating right now. We, like everyone else, have an interest in doing something about hate speech, especially when targeted against us; I hope I don't need to tell you how hate speech is for all intents and purposes violence/calls to violence.

Maybe you don't, but many trans identified individuals see themselves as the most oppressed group to exist. In reality, this is not the case - they are not hyperoppressed. While trans identified individuals do face legal troubles - sometimes (other times, they get away with breaking the law and initiating violence against women) and on a personal basis, face violence inflicted by men and various types of mental illness, this should not override the gains of woman's rights. But it has. Your idea of hate speech is any speech you hate; when women talk about their own biology, the challenges they face, and also scientific explorations into biology which confute the lies of your movement. This speech is shut down and censored by the anti-woman lobbies and ideological, men's rights movements that you possess.

As for transmisogyny, in order for it to exist, it would have to be that men are women. This is not true, thus transmisogyny is not a thing. I display no misogyny towards you or anyone else, because misogyny is sex-based, and sex is unchangeable - decided by God, through sexual determination, with gonads, chromosomes, and genitals, and other biological pieces of humanity. I seek to eradicate misogyny by any means necessary, and guarantee female liberation. But your movement is against this, and seeks to trample it.

There is no all-powerful trans lobby. This is plain enough to be self-evident.

This is erogenous, and an outright lie. They shut down the speech of women and force biological men into women's prisons and sex-only spaces, even going as far as forcing biological men - with higher muscle mass - into woman's sports. This is the power of a lobby, where money is sucked up from big corporations, backed by wealthy white men in the first-world (beneficiaries of settler-colonialism, imperialism, and capitalism). It has done everything it can to abolish womanhood and unleashes censorship onto women's groups. The transgender movement is a sexist, anti-woman, elite group of primarily white, privileged men.

Again, if you want to escape the bounds of gender, the solution is abolishing gender, not appropriating womanhood.

Maybe it has something to do with the abuse, violence, and more systemic oppression we face on a daily basis. Besides the point, why do you underline hypersexuality? Am I supposed to be super disturbed that trans people like to have sex? Most people do.

You may face abuse or violence, but that's because of - and get ready for this - men. When people try to leave their sex-roles, there is a systemic effort to keep them inside their boxes. I am not saying you do not face issues, you do, but the solution is the abolition of gender as a whole.

As for hypersexuality, it is deplorable. Lust destroys one's consciousness and eliminates energy. It wastes time when its just for pleasure. It's especially wasteful when people are addicted to it, as the drug it is. It releases and pumps out heaps of dopamine, so it has the effects of drugs, and it can easily become an addiction. This is especially true, for whatever reason, with trans identified individuals. Perhaps their identity is tethered to a desire for sex; maybe its an expression of sexual desire. I don't know, but some scientists have suggested this to be true. You are so swept away by psychology, you should therefore look into transvestic fetishism and autogynephilia.

Again, your framing is absurd. Second; you're rejecting what are the proven, scientifically successful treatment methods.

Psychology today is by-and-large a pseudo-science. Very little of it is effective, especially when it's commercialized and fitted into the capitalist profit system. Rather than looking at individuals, let's peak at the system, and analyze it. Enough of the liberalism, let's get systemic.

Again, this presents the patently wrong idea that transgender people's identities rest on patriarchal bullshit. This, again, is wrong. Trans people cannot be wished away by abolishing gender; it's more than that.

Trans identified people exist as a result of patriarchy, as gender is itself a product of patriarchy. I never said that trans identified people can be wished away, but with the abolition of gender, the system will no longer give rise to them or so-called "cis-gendered people". If gender is done away with, no one can identity into it, and no one would be forced to internalize it.

Oh, and, I can't help but laugh at the idea that we should refuse individual treatment in favor of frankly reactionary idealism. You don't get to use the language of liberation to promote such absurdity.

Yes, psychology is bound to the folly of individualism. Down with it, and furthermore, even if it did "work", it doesn't. It's a short-term solution that does not fix anything. We must look beyond the confines of this system, to the future. Ultimately, the final solution is to abolish gender, or at the very least, see that it withers away. To rid the world of gender is liberating, as it smashes old boxes and allows people to expand outside of them, and resist gender oppression, something you wish to perpetuate.

Science is not on your side.

You are the one who thinks a social construct is a personal identity, and rejects the biological and scientific basis of sex. But sure, I am the unscientific one here...

Race is not a remotely equivalent construct to gender.

They were both constructed to defend systems of oppression. Race was made to defend colonialism, gender was made to defend patriarchy. They are both social constructs with no biological basis, created to serve oppressors.

I agree; it's a construct that society would frankly be better off without. But Trans People will continue to exist.

They won't exist, neither will your invention of "cis people". Gender won't exist, so what is there to transition to? Trans identified people and "cis-gendered" people won't exist. Same way that when race is abolished, "white" and "black" people won't exist.

Frankly, this is reactionary Strasserite rhetoric, and if you claim to be a leftist of any stripe, you should know better.

I am not a Strasserite. I am not a Strasserite, I am a Muslim - a progressive one. You are a regressive, far-right, anti-woman racist.

Finally, the fact that you call this a western thing is hilariously wrong; trans people have existed long before modernity, and countless cultures have had accommodation and recognition of trans and non-binary people, that the west wiped out.

This just is all a lie, you are appropriating other cultures and their history for your ideology. There have been so many indigenous cultures, and in a Eurocentric manner, you just swoop them all up and claim them as one, monogamous being. And all societies have had gender, so therefore, non-binary people have never existed, as per the existence of patriarchy. The system would never allow the opportunity for people to escape boxes and power relations. That's liberal, postmodern nonsense. And your conceptions are racist. Try harder, patriarch.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

This observing delegation believes that we should rejoice over the extremely offended comments delivered by medieval mullahs who unfortunately seems to be stuck in the age of Flagellants and Witch-burners.

[Cekoviu]

The Cekovian delegation would like to remind the ambassadors from Tinfect and Al-Diwajah that we are discussing this repeal rather than debating your personal opinions on the matter of transgender rights.

[Lichpocalypsis]

The Empire of Lichpocalypsis says:

"Why our glorious Empire must approve hormone therapy only because some countries decided to do so? It's not the type of question which must be solved by World Assembly - it must be solved by each particular country"

OOC: ATHT resolution simply ruins fun for people who want to play countries with hatred towards non-traditional sexual orientation and etc.

[The New California Republic]

OOC: ATHT resolution simply ruins fun for people who want to play countries with hatred towards non-traditional sexual orientation and etc.

OOC: Leaving the WA is always an option...

[The New Nordic Union]

OOC: ATHT resolution simply ruins fun for people who want to play countries with hatred towards non-traditional sexual orientation and etc.

OOC: Leaving the WA is always an option...

OOC: Also, neither the resolution nor this draft repeal talk about sexual orientation.

[Catsfern]

So there is a held legal proposal to repeal the last proposal and honestly I agree with it, It points out the honest flaws of the proposal and argues for its repeal not because they disagree with transgender people having access to hormone therapy, but because the original proposal was unclear and at times self contradictory.

[Tinfect]

Sure, hormones are natural. But pumping it into people unnecessarily with an unreachable goal is straight-up stupid.

It is not your place to decide what is and isn't necessary for one's mental health. Second, there's nothing unreachable about it, the physical effects are obvious, and transpeople often experience psychological benefits in the form of relief from gender dysphoria.

The effect of introducing cross-sexed hormones in the body is usually never good. Some can die, and there is an increased risk of heart attacks and stroke. People who undergo these "treatments" still are glued to mental illness, and potential long-term consequences thus it is not an effective treatment.

This is just not true, literally none of this. I've gone over this extensively in other posts, you can search for them should you so desire, it's had enough to just do this with a broken arm.

As for whether or not gender roles have a connection to trans identified people or not, I would disagree with your conception. In truth, gender is circumscribed to - you guessed it - gender! Trans identified people think they can escape their sex-roles - that is, gender, created by patriarchy - by identifying out of them,

Nothing you are saying has any relation to our actual motivations, literally none of it. Please talk to some trans people instead of making shit up. It has nothing to do with gender-roles; I am not transitioning away from one box into another, I am living my life as I am, boxes be damned.

calling biology dead,

Disregarding the actual science on the matter does you no favors for the record.

This is illogical. You cannot identify out of gender in the same way you can't with any other social construct. You can't identify out of race, and you can't call pigmentation dead.

You keep comparing gender to race like it's some kind of trump card, when, all you're really doing is displaying your own ignorance on the subject matter. Race, is in no way, equivalent to Gender; they are both constructed, but not all social constructs are equal and interchangeable. Besides this point, trans people aren't 'identifying' out of anything, we are choosing to live as how we are, how we have always been. I was always a woman, I was forced to live much of my life otherwise, but I have always been a woman.

Gender is stereotypes, it is sex-roles, created by the patriarchy.

No. gender-roles are gender-roles, gender itself is distinct from them.

Yes, you are right about not being a woman

I'll point out that if you want to stay on the right side of the rules, you'll knock it off with the misgendering.

You seek to imprison yourself to the laws and principles of femininity,

No, I really don't. You know nothing about me, or trans people.

(because every male has been socialized into this box).

Bullshit. I am a trans woman, I was socialized as one. I wasn't socialized as a man because I'm fucking not one.

You can try to be feminine,

I don't.

Women are trying to escape femininity, why do you find pleasure in joining its ranks?

I'm not.

Maybe you don't, but many trans identified individuals see themselves as the most oppressed group to exist.

I know dozens of transpeople. At this point, I've probably talked to hundreds in passing. This is a lie.

While trans identified individuals do face legal troubles - sometimes (other times, they get away with breaking the law and initiating violence against women)

This is also a lie; legal troubles, among other things, are stock and standard for transpeople - being treated fairly is distinctly not the norm. And no, we don't get away with breaking the law, that's absurd.

this should not override the gains of woman's rights. But it has.

Prove it. Literally nowhere have trans rights come at the expense of women's rights.

Your idea of hate speech is any speech you hate;

Yeah, no, it's not. It's just, not, this is childish.

As for transmisogyny, in order for it to exist, it would have to be that men are women. This is not true, thus transmisogyny is not a thing. I display no misogyny towards you or anyone else, because misogyny is sex-based, and sex is unchangeable - decided by God, through sexual determination, with gonads, chromosomes, and genitals, and other biological pieces of humanity. I seek to eradicate misogyny by any means necessary, and guarantee female liberation. But your movement is against this, and seeks to trample it.

Yeah, sorry, I am a woman. A transwoman, even! Gosh, imagine that. And you, in denying what I am and spreading misogynistic nonsense about me personally and transpeople as a whole are being... trans...misogynistic. Huh. What a word. If only there were a word for that,

This is erogenous, and an outright lie. They shut down the speech of women and force biological men into women's prisons and sex-only spaces, even going as far as forcing biological men - with higher muscle mass - into woman's sports. This is the power of a lobby, where money is sucked up from big corporations, backed by wealthy white men in the first-world (beneficiaries of settler-colonialism, imperialism, and capitalism). It has done everything it can to abolish womanhood and unleashes censorship onto women's groups. The transgender movement is a sexist, anti-woman, elite group of primarily white, privileged men.

You're... literally just making most of this up. Transwomen, as, uh, women, go into women's prisons, for the same reasons that women go into women's prisons. This goes for other places too. We're women. The bit about sports, yeah, you don't understand that either; there's no evidence at all that transpeople have any particular advantage in sports; indeed, forcing us into the groupings of our assigned gender leads to nonsense like a transman on Testosterone, being set against cis women.

I, for the record, am Native American; I am poor, I don't know a single transperson who isn't poor as shit, and a hell of a lot of us are POC.

You may face abuse or violence, but that's because of - and get ready for this - men. When people try to leave their sex-roles, there is a systemic effort to keep them inside their boxes. I am not saying you do not face issues, you do, but the solution is the abolition of gender as a whole.

Yeah, sorry, no, men aren't somehow inherently abusive. Y'all are just as capable of abuse.

As for hypersexuality, it is deplorable. Lust destroys one's consciousness and eliminates energy. It wastes time when its just for pleasure. It's especially wasteful when people are addicted to it, as the drug it is.

This is hilarious, actually.

Grow up.

You are so swept away by psychology, you should therefore look into transvestic fetishism and autogynephilia.

I assure you, I have. They're not real things.

Psychology today is by-and-large a pseudo-science. Very little of it is effective, especially when it's commercialized and fitted into the capitalist profit system. Rather than looking at individuals, let's peak at the system, and analyze it. Enough of the liberalism, let's get systemic.

Ah, the scientology argument; 'psychology is evil'. I agree that psychology is often running on very capitalist logic these days, and that's a problem; but in a lot of ways, it's also the most effective it's ever been, and that, is undeniable.

Yes, psychology is bound to the folly of individualism.

What the fuck? Where did this come from? This is nonsense. Nevermind, I don't agree with you, because apparently you think psychology is inherently capitalistic rather than a science that, like all things, is affected by the socioeconomic system in which it exists.

To rid the world of gender is liberating, as it smashes old boxes and allows people to expand outside of them, and resist gender oppression, something you wish to perpetuate.

Mate, I literally agree with you that gender as a construct is worth getting rid of.

They won't exist, neither will your invention of "cis people". Gender won't exist, so what is there to transition to? Trans identified people and "cis-gendered" people won't exist. Same way that when race is abolished, "white" and "black" people won't exist.

If that's what your idea of abolishing race is, I don't want anything to do with it.

I am not a Strasserite. I am not a Strasserite, I am a Muslim - a progressive one. You are a regressive, far-right, anti-woman racist.

You're couching emancipatory language in rhetoric of decadence and degeneracy; that's pretty strasserite friend.

And, uh, I'm a communist feminist native american. So. No, I'm not a far-right regressive racist.

This just is all a lie, you are appropriating other cultures and their history for your ideology. There have been so many indigenous cultures, and in a Eurocentric manner, you just swoop them all up and claim them as one, monogamous being. And all societies have had gender, so therefore, non-binary people have never existed, as per the existence of patriarchy. The system would never allow the opportunity for people to escape boxes and power relations. That's liberal, postmodern nonsense. And your conceptions are racist. Try harder, patriarch.

Don't you fucking dare accuse me of appropriating my own goddamned culture. I am Native American, Chukchansi, both by cultural standards and the imposed blood quantum. Not once did I presume native cultures as a monolith. Your eurocentrist ass is the one imposing a monolithic 'system' upon countless varied cultures and their unique conceptions of gender.

Tanta' ma' migaana' gos.

[Kyoki Chudoku]

Knowing that the debate of this issue was going to a be an enjoyable combination between child’s playground and political minefield, Tokiko Suou brought along two of her associates- Gikochinai and Naosu. The former, as ever, wore a maid costume of all things, even to an offical diplomatic event. The latter was more professionally dressed in a white doctor’s coat, though her mouth was covered by a surgical mask. Naosu was here to represent Kyoki Chudoku’s medical interests. Gikochinai was technically here to represent cultural interests, but her love for everyone was the real reason for her presence. If they weren’t going to be able to make any progress towards repealing the resolution, Tokiko could at least get some fun out of this.

“Well,” began Tokiko, “I’m takin’ a back seat today. I wish my compatriots well.” With that she sat down, and Naosu stepped forward.

“There is some debate over the status of transgenderism and its relation to mental illness,” began Naosu. “Kyoki Chudoku does not characterise it as such. While we have limited experiences with the condition, we do not currently consider it a psychological aberration to correct. Kyoki Chudoku’s primary concern with the resolution for which a repeal is sought remains the requirement of constantly supplying imprisoned traitors with their desired hormones, despite their refusal to acknowledge the law and therefore being undeserving of such an act. We support a real based purely upon such aspects. For those who wish to debate the mental aberration component of this discussion, however, I present Gikochinai. This is not because she is an expert in this field, but because her endurance with regard to conversation is boundless, and she retains a substantial inability to suffer annoyance at others, a capability which I most definitively lack.”

At this, Naosu sat down and Gikochinai jumped into a standing position. Tokiko could clearly be seen consuming handfuls of popcorn as Gikochinai began her overexcited speech. “Hello! Hi! Hi everyone! So! I like people! Like! A lot! They’re all really nice to me! Except the ones who aren’t. But that’s ok! Anyway! I’m just here to talk about things if people ask, because Naosu and Tokiko really don’t want to. So! I think that it’s sad that so many people think that the- um! Sorry! I forget what it’s called again! The people who don’t think their- it’s really complicated! But I think it’s sad that people think they’re crazy because of it. I’d be really sad if people thought I was crazy!” Of course, many did, but that was beside the point. “And it doesn’t really count as crazy. So I think it’s fair that they be seen as not crazy!” Of course, she wasn’t really trying to make much of an actual point- she was just here to serve as an impenetrable shield against the discussions that Tokiko and Naosu didn’t want to deal with.

[United Constancia]

The Free State, being represented by T1aZ Planning/Diplomacy Unit numbered TZ-459, and assisted by assistant Attache Tony Ligotti, present the following arguments.

1. This is written with a very bad grasp of language, in addition to bringing up points very central only to certain cultures, and does not belong on the floor.

2. This is not the only trans resolution, and the previous resolution managed to pass with a resounding Yes.

We politely tell you to retract this and educate yourself on these matters before making yourself look like a fool.

[The New California Republic]

OOC: Leaving the WA is always an option...

OOC: Also, neither the resolution nor this draft repeal talk about sexual orientation.

OOC: That too.

[Araraukar]

And all societies have had gender, so therefore, non-binary people have never existed

OOC: Reality would like to disagree with you.

Now, the proposal at hand remains illegal and Bloody Stupid, unless it's changed dramatically, but the author most likely is literally incapable of doing that. Not to mention I've yet to see a single repeal attempt that wasn't about "transgender people don't exist" or "muh religious right to discriminate!" Neither of which address the target resolution, nor are valid reasons for a repeal.

[Blueflarst]

The World Assembly recants about the submitted facts in the World Assembly resolution 467.

Calling this facts false and biased.

Acknowledging the World Assembly is not a place for political fights but an organization to promote international peace.
Acknowledging the General Assembly is not an international parliament but a global council to promote freedom and international stability.
Expressing anger towards the gender ideology campaigners imposing their agenda to the World and using this resolution to force their political views to all.
Acknowledging the World Assembly is not a stabbing TV show but a place for resolutions to improve the World without raising tension and political conflicts.
Acknowledging this resolutions has already raised political conflicts among the World Assembly with several nations protesting while others try to evade the international law.

Affirming the World Assembly protecting motive of existence towards ALL the nations inside it.
Noting this resolution goes againist the World Assembly objetives as it raises political conflicts and international conflicts.
Noting this resolution raises global tension.

Repeals the 467 General Assembly resolution and all the laws made of it as it goes againist the spirit of the resolutions.