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Cosmopolitan Hammer
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Postby Cosmopolitan Hammer » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:39 am

Blueflarst wrote:I have little patience for nations whom forge the information. This repeal adresses the resolution calls biased the supposed facts and says the reasons for the repeal including global tension and opressing of cultures with a cosmopolitan hammer

This resolution is culturaly insensitive and promotes oppression


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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:40 am

Cosmopolitan Hammer wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:I have little patience for nations whom forge the information. This repeal adresses the resolution calls biased the supposed facts and says the reasons for the repeal including global tension and opressing of cultures with a cosmopolitan hammer

This resolution is culturaly insensitive and promotes oppression


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OOC: I was waiting for someone to do this. :lol2:
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Postby Drystar » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:45 pm

While I tend to avoid sticking my nose into things that aren’t my business, I have to question some of the ideas in this repeal. How can you say there are only two genders defined by genitalia, when there are any number of beings born with either some of both types of genitalia, all of both types, or even none. We of the Dominion had issues with the original resolution, but that doesn’t mean we would turn our backs on our citizens by being short sighted. I would politely suggest you come up with firm medical reasons or even a sovereignty argument with reasonable standards to expect our support.

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Postby Araraukar » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:23 pm

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Cosmopolitan Hammer wrote:*snip*

OOC: I was waiting for someone to do this. :lol2:

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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:27 pm

A Great and Free Spain wrote:The Empire of a Great and Free Spain supports the repeal of this legislation.

We believe is idiotic. Gender comes from genitals. No identities or gender fluidity

We remind you and the other anti-transgender nations here that psychological science heavily disagrees with your opinions.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:28 pm

Cosmopolitan Hammer wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:I have little patience for nations whom forge the information. This repeal adresses the resolution calls biased the supposed facts and says the reasons for the repeal including global tension and opressing of cultures with a cosmopolitan hammer

This resolution is culturaly insensitive and promotes oppression


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OOC: This is absolutely amazing.
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Postby BlackLight Covenant » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:59 pm

"If I'm not mistaken, the current argument here is that the targeted resolution forces the agenda of a certain side upon the members of this Assembly, right? If so, that doesn't exactly seem like a very solid argument to me, ambassador, as the same thing could be said about a whole bunch of resolutions passed over the years. Ones related to environmental protection, worker rights, healthcare, and privacy, at least to me, often seem like proposals that impose an agenda upon this Assembly as well, and those most definitely go against the views of some of our fellow members. What makes this specific resolution's conflict with individual member states stand out from any other proposal that conflicts with member polices?

Hell, any nation that joins knows, or well, should know that this Assembly will force regulations upon them, and any nation that considers joining can easily look through the archives to see whether there are any resolutions related to gender issues; doing so would show these nations that the World Assembly actively recognizes the rights of the LGBTQ+ community, and actively recognizes that gender isn't limited to male and female (GA #91). If that goes against their ideals, then surely this resolution would go against said ideals as well. It most certainly damn well seems like it, seeing the majority of the opposition to "Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy", anyway. If they still decided to join regardless of GA #91, and then decide to leave because of the resolution being discussed here, then that's their issue, not ours. They could've expected that something like this would've been proposed and passed sooner or later.

Now if you could point out some proper flaws that go beyond "it goes against the ideas of some of our members and has no place in this Assembly", then maybe this could actually get somewhere. Speaking of which, the idea that the guaranteeing of affordable hormone therapy for transgender people has no place in the World Assembly seems untrue to me. After all, it ensures that certain governments can't clamp down on their civil rights by putting massive government tariffs and other restrictive regulations on hormone therapy. Civil rights are one of this Assembly's main concerns, are they not?"

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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:52 am

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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:54 am

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Araraukar wrote:OOC: For the record, it's not me. :P

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I don't think I suspected it would be you for a moment.

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Postby The Greater Union of Man » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:01 am

Saciu wrote:The backlash of nations wishing to oppress trans people is exactly why we needed this resolution to pass.

The Imperial Union cares not for the fickle matters of diplomacy beyond our ever-closer union. We would not have obeyed it to begin with, and will support any measure to repeal resolutions contradictory to our three values of "Truth, Humanity, Security".

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:08 am

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Saciu wrote:The backlash of nations wishing to oppress trans people is exactly why we needed this resolution to pass.

The Imperial Union cares not for the fickle matters of diplomacy beyond our ever-closer union. We would not have obeyed it to begin with, and will support any measure to repeal resolutions contradictory to our three values of "Truth, Humanity, Security".

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:17 am

The Greater Union of Man wrote:
Saciu wrote:The backlash of nations wishing to oppress trans people is exactly why we needed this resolution to pass.

The Imperial Union cares not for the fickle matters of diplomacy beyond our ever-closer union. We would not have obeyed it to begin with, and will support any measure to repeal resolutions contradictory to our three values of "Truth, Humanity, Security".

Whose truth?
Whose humanity?
Whose security?
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:21 am

Blueflarst wrote:Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings

I would support (OOC-But I have a team of about 20 people developing a repeal on discord.)
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:25 am

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings

I would support, but I have a team of about 20 people developing a repeal on discord.

It's rather unprofessional to orchestrate important international political legislation via a chat platform designed for people who play video games, ambassador.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:40 am

^ Come on. People use Discord for all sorts of stuff and chat on all sorts of matters. If you really don't think it's do-able, come to the WA discord and find out.

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:46 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:^ Come on. People use Discord for all sorts of stuff and chat on all sorts of matters. If you really don't think it's do-able, come to the WA discord and find out.

OOC: In character, which is presumably also the state of Israeli Commonwealth given the lack of specification, it's rather unprofessional to mention it explicitly in my opinion.
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Postby Morover » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:50 am

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings

I would support, but I have a team of about 20 people developing a repeal on discord.

OOC: Would it be out of place to ask for an invitation to this server? Just to give my thoughts on it. 20 people seems like a lot to me.
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:35 am

Morover wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:I would support, but I have a team of about 20 people developing a repeal on discord.

OOC: Would it be out of place to ask for an invitation to this server? Just to give my thoughts on it. 20 people seems like a lot to me.

OOC- My discord is How Are You Today#1383
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:35 pm

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:41 pm

Blueflarst wrote:Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.

Transgender is indeed not a gender, it indicates a transition from a gender assigned at birth to a gender reflecting the identity of the individual. Male and females are not the sum of all humans, though.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.

Again, correct. Gender is a social construct wholly occupying the mind, the anatomy of any particular person is irrelevant to their gender, even if there are certain common correlations.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.

This is scientifically incorrect, highly offensive, and contradictory of WA law.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

The World Assembly is abolishing gender? Daaaamn, how progressive! Welcome to the post-gender reality everyone!
Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.

But you said we were "considering irrelevant the gender identity", and that gender is not "something real out of the mind". If it is just a social construct and wholly irrelevant, why are you anchoring it to genitalia?
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing

No thanks.
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings

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Postby Dilyu » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:56 pm

Blueflarst wrote:Repeal Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

The World Assembly rectifies and repeals the passed resolution stating

Transgender people are not a gender denomination there are only males and females.
Denies the gender identities as something real out of the mind.
Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.
As something only existent in the mind as idea the World Assembly considers irrelevant the gender identities

Denies the gender identity relevance towards the real life and defines the people gender by the genitals.
Repeals the World Assembly regulation towards hormone therapy and draws back the previous state of laws upon this repealing
Nullifies the transgender denomination legal meanings


This repeal is not only in terribly bad faith, but it also contravenes legislation passed by this assembly.

Resolution 124 is breached in relation to the provision of MED defined in Resolution 124.

Resolution 91 is breached in relation to the provision of GAP services that are defined in Resolution 91.

Resolution 31 is breached for not complying with the following:

IV: articulate and advise governments on health matters with information that is both ethical and evidence-based

Resolution 457 is breached for the following:

MANDATES that every member nation must grant exactly the same rights, powers, permissions and services to individuals of all sexualities and genders, subject to exactly the same qualifying conditions. Such conditions may not include the sexuality or gender of the individual(s) concerned.

MANDATES that all member nations must allow each of their citizens to choose or change their own gender, and that member nations must officially recognise and accept the individual's chosen gender.

Resolution 29 is breached for the following:

(II) All persons who are lawfully present within any WA member nation have the right to undergo any non-emergency medical procedure deemed necessary and beneficial to the patient by their physician or other medical professional, which is legal for that person in the nation where the procedure is performed, and for which confirmed funding is available.

(III) Patients have the right to be involved in decisions concerning their care and to be given full and accurate information about the nature of their illnesses, diagnostic procedures, risks and necessity of alternative procedures, the proposed treatment and the costs involved, provided that such information does not violate the medical confidentiality of other persons.

Furthermore this proposal is an honest mistake. Please review the following legislation in a logical, purposeful manner before descending into what is clearly tacit, transphobic grandstanding.
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:51 am

Wallenburg wrote:Transgender is indeed not a gender, it indicates a transition from a gender assigned at birth to a gender reflecting the identity of the individual.

OOC: Well, it can be a gender identity, actually, though it's an adjective. And the word you're looking for is "transitioning". "Transgender" is also an umbrella term for gender identities that don't conform with the birth-assigned gender, so it includes non-binary people. These are the kinds of words (like practically all attempts to categorize people in general) that don't have One True Meaning, nevermind what some dictionary might say, but "transgender" can be a gender identity, if the individual says so.

I literally classify as non-binary male transgender, if you want the whole litany. But I'm fine to go with male terms (he/his/him, etc.).
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Postby Blueflarst » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:44 am

A Great and Free Spain wrote:The Empire of a Great and Free Spain supports the repeal of this legislation.

We believe is idiotic. Gender comes from genitals. No identities or gender fluidity


First reasonable soul i spot in the thread
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:50 am

Blueflarst wrote:
A Great and Free Spain wrote:The Empire of a Great and Free Spain supports the repeal of this legislation.

We believe is idiotic. Gender comes from genitals. No identities or gender fluidity


First reasonable soul i spot in the thread

OOC: Instead of just agreeing with the echoes, you could try to answer some of the criticism. Just a suggestion.
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