[ABANDONDED] Furtherment of Education

[United Civil Republic]

OOC: Once again, I thank you for your concerns.

I have improved the finance clause, please readdress any issue you have with it.

This idea is all about the design of pedagogy and leadership, "professional development" is exactly as it sounds, the development of a learner/student's professional skills.

Your issue with 2.A should be corrected as well as with 2.B, 2.Ba and 2.Bb.

Also this idea is designed behind the irl IB programme, something that I have had the privilege of experiencing.

As far as your concern with 2.C, this is to be interpreted as written by the committee. A "school year" traditionally would apply to any traditional "school year", I feel that I am leaving it more flexible with my wording.

As far as your concern with 2.Da, it has hereby been removed as it does bring up certain remarks that are not settled.

Article 3 has been pulled and clauses have been moved.

Concerning addressment: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/addressment

I would like assistance in rewriting Article 4 to be fair and considerate of all WA/Non-WA member nations.

Addressing your final statements:

The first two are issues of the committee and not of the resolution itself.

Why?

Every nation promotes its own idea of morals, ethics, culture, and several other things, but how much of it is actually true?(and this is not a debate, I'm just stating my opinion.)
A basic streamlined education will provide students, just that, but many are left asking how it is relevant.
The ability to make an international idea of such ideas and provide students witha relevant, proffesionally developing eductaion, so taht they could become leaders, teachers and othe rprominent positions while understadning how the entire world works, not kjust how the nation works, is important.
I am in no way saying that we should just up and remove the entire education of a country, but I;m saying that we should build on it to improve it.

[Attempted Socialism]

"Why should we vote for a resolution that will clearly not further education, at best be a waste of funds - as 'non-traditional' pedagogy and leadership in this context apparently means 'have not been shown to work' - and at worst diminish our excellent education system as it pulls away resources and students? What are these 'world schools' supposed to accomplish that actual academia cannot develop, study, evaluate and distribute on its own?"

[Bananaistan]

"Our third level education sector is getting along just fine thank you and we do not require an insane one size fits nobody policy.

"Opposed unless this is completely reworked into a statement of general requirements for nations to implement as they see fit without a do nothing committee."

[United Civil Republic]

"Why should we vote for a resolution that will clearly not further education, at best be a waste of funds - as 'non-traditional' pedagogy and leadership in this context apparently means 'have not been shown to work' - and at worst diminish our excellent education system as it pulls away resources and students? What are these 'world schools' supposed to accomplish that actual academia cannot develop, study, evaluate and distribute on its own?"

OCC: It actually has been proven to work, see irl IB programme.

The Representative replies, "Why should students learn chemistry and not learn how to find something new? Are scientific discoveries not necessary? Why should they learn your nation's history and not my nation's history? Is it not important for a foriegn diplomat or buisnessman to know the culture of a place they may travel to? If my culture got into a war, with your country would you want your leader to be a kid who barely passed history, or one who has all of the skills and know-how to reach a peaceful resolution within a week? That last example may have been a little zealous, but I believe that you understand the idea."

[United Civil Republic]

"Our third level education sector is getting along just fine thank you and we do not require an insane one size fits nobody policy.

"Opposed unless this is completely reworked into a statement of general requirements for nations to implement as they see fit without a do nothing committee."

"Excuse me?" a suprised Representative looks at the speaker, "Please do not shame anything any country tries to create for the betterment of society. Now if you would please feel so gracious as to elaborate how a committee that would do what no single nation can do, which is to create an educational system that contains the ingrainments of the culture of our world and just that of our nations into it, is what you would call a 'do-nothing committee' I would gladly listen."

[Attempted Socialism]

"Why should we vote for a resolution that will clearly not further education, at best be a waste of funds - as 'non-traditional' pedagogy and leadership in this context apparently means 'have not been shown to work' - and at worst diminish our excellent education system as it pulls away resources and students? What are these 'world schools' supposed to accomplish that actual academia cannot develop, study, evaluate and distribute on its own?"

OCC: It actually has been proven to work, see irl IB programme.

OOC: What you are suggesting is not the IB programme.

The Representative replies, "Why should students learn chemistry and not learn how to find something new? Are scientific discoveries not necessary? Why should they learn your nation's history and not my nation's history? Is it not important for a foriegn diplomat or buisnessman to know the culture of a place they may travel to? If my culture got into a war, with your country would you want your leader to be a kid who barely passed history, or one who has all of the skills and know-how to reach a peaceful resolution within a week? That last example may have been a little zealous, but I believe that you understand the idea."

Raising again the Ambassador gives off a weary sigh. "The Representative misunderstands both ordinary schooling and their own proposal. Learning chemistry, just to continue the example, at a highschool level, is part of becoming a well-rounded citizen, able to participate in society and make intelligent decisions in some circumstances. Learning chemistry at university level is almost necessarily a prerequisite to making new scientific discoveries within the field of chemistry. Whatever your...", the Ambassador pauses, seemingly to struggle with a word, "err... let's be charitable and say learning-adjacent proposal does, it would not facilitate either. History in the Solidarity Movement covers world history. Naturally at greater depth if you study history at university, but adequately at the highschool level as well. Cultural studies are part of all language studies, and available independently as well. Lastly, to your point about ministerial education, the member of our government with the shortest education is our Minister of Justice, with only a MD in law and a MD in Public Administration. Diminishing our government down to your proposed level would be an absurd step back. As I said, at best this proposal would be a waste of good resources. If you want your 'world school' to do something positive for the world, scrap your current draft."
The last two lines are delivered as a mic drop moment before the irate Ambassador sits down again.

[Araraukar]

OCC: It actually has been proven to work, see irl IB programme.

OOC: Major difference, IB program (not programme, at least in English) is voluntary.

[United Civil Republic]

OCC: It actually has been proven to work, see irl IB programme.

OOC: What you are suggesting is not the IB programme.

The Representative replies, "Why should students learn chemistry and not learn how to find something new? Are scientific discoveries not necessary? Why should they learn your nation's history and not my nation's history? Is it not important for a foriegn diplomat or buisnessman to know the culture of a place they may travel to? If my culture got into a war, with your country would you want your leader to be a kid who barely passed history, or one who has all of the skills and know-how to reach a peaceful resolution within a week? That last example may have been a little zealous, but I believe that you understand the idea."

Raising again the Ambassador gives off a weary sigh. "The Representative misunderstands both ordinary schooling and their own proposal. Learning chemistry, just to continue the example, at a highschool level, is part of becoming a well-rounded citizen, able to participate in society and make intelligent decisions in some circumstances. Learning chemistry at university level is almost necessarily a prerequisite to making new scientific discoveries within the field of chemistry. Whatever your...", the Ambassador pauses, seemingly to struggle with a word, "err... let's be charitable and say learning-adjacent proposal does, it would not facilitate either. History in the Solidarity Movement covers world history. Naturally at greater depth if you study history at university, but adequately at the highschool level as well. Cultural studies are part of all language studies, and available independently as well. Lastly, to your point about ministerial education, the member of our government with the shortest education is our Minister of Justice, with only a MD in law and a MD in Public Administration. Diminishing our government down to your proposed level would be an absurd step back. As I said, at best this proposal would be a waste of good resources. If you want your 'world school' to do something positive for the world, scrap your current draft."
The last two lines are delivered as a mic drop moment before the irate Ambassador sits down again.

The Representative just looks at the Ambassador for a moment. "Fine. If you believe that it is unnecessary, the just vote against it. If you have any concerns that GenSec could say, please tell me now, otherwise, good day sir."

[United Civil Republic]

OCC: It actually has been proven to work, see irl IB programme.

OOC: Major difference, IB program (not programme, at least in English) is voluntary.

OOC: Well, yes and no. This is currently taken out of context, this was in an address concerning how the as 'non-traditional' pedagogy and leadership in this context apparently means 'have not been shown to work'. This was not concerning the program itself. Also, the formal name for the program is programme. Please see the official site for more information. And I do want to say that though my resolution proposition is based on the IB programme, as this is NS and not RL, I have taken creative liberties to design what I think is a better program, much like what Max Berry did with the WA after the UN incident.

[East Meranopirus]

The Representative just looks at the Ambassador for a moment. "Fine. If you believe that it is unnecessary, the just vote against it. If you have any concerns that GenSec could say, please tell me now, otherwise, good day sir."

IC: "It seems to me the ambassador does not remotely care about the fact that everyone who has voiced their opinion on this proposal has been against it, and rather thinks he can somehow push through the proposal as long as it's legal. Well let me tell you ambassador, legality is a pretty low bar, and a legal proposal is far from the same as a good proposal. The ambassador should step down from his high horse and actually think about the criticisms offered by various delegations."

[Araraukar]

OOC: Well, yes and no. This is currently taken out of context, this was in an address concerning how the as 'non-traditional' pedagogy and leadership in this context apparently means 'have not been shown to work'.

OOC: Major difference, again: your system is just a huge mess with nothing well-defined about it. IB program is a Real Life system that's well-defined and has actually been set up by actual professionals.

The Representative replies, "Why should students learn chemistry and not learn how to find something new? Are scientific discoveries not necessary? Why should they learn your nation's history and not my nation's history? Is it not important for a foriegn diplomat or buisnessman to know the culture of a place they may travel to? If my culture got into a war, with your country would you want your leader to be a kid who barely passed history, or one who has all of the skills and know-how to reach a peaceful resolution within a week? That last example may have been a little zealous, but I believe that you understand the idea."

IC: "It is impossible to make "new scientific discoveries" if you don't have the basics, ambassador," Linda replied somewhat crossly, "and what the fuck are you talking about, with the national histories? Why the hell should we teach our youths - which reminds me, you haven't specified this thing isn't for little kids just starting school - the history of some nation that doesn't even reside in the same universe and which we have nothing to do with? And there are some twenty thousand WA nations. Were you planning to teach the history of all of them? And diplomacy is not a normal school subject. I studied political sciences in university, doing my Master's thesis on the foreign interactions involved in the nuclear weapons ban a couple of decades ago, and only then was I eligible to apply for the Diplomatic Corps training academy. So why the fuck should we let in some kid who's barely old enough to enroll into a university, to do anything on the international stage? If you really think that science and history and whatever the fuck this "leadership" nonsense is, can be taught comprehensively alongside something as intricate as diplomacy, you're frankly speaking just insane. Our school system is basically world benchmark that others seek to emulate, so why should we let you mess it up with this nonsense?"

OOC: Araraukarian school system is based on my real life nation's, and Araraukar is currently in top 1% of smartest citizens in the WA. So the ambassador isn't just pulling things out of her ass.

[United Civil Republic]

OCC: It actually has been proven to work, see irl IB programme.

OOC: What you are suggesting is not the IB programme.

OCC: No, it is a creative representation of the IB programme. The design of the program is based off of a high school level proffessional development non-traditional learning system that is used around the World to allow students a harder level of in-depth and more-rounded learning. Now if that is not what I am proposing, please tell me how to fix my resolution to do so. I also want to make note that my program is more of Secondary schooling option rather than high school, but more or less so, to the degree that you have discussed it, it is a clear representation of the program.

[Attempted Socialism]

OCC: It actually has been proven to work, see irl IB programme.

OOC: Major difference, IB program (not programme, at least in English) is voluntary.

OOC: Programme is the British spelling. Both are correct here.

The Representative just looks at the Ambassador for a moment. "Fine. If you believe that it is unnecessary, the just vote against it. If you have any concerns that GenSec could say, please tell me now, otherwise, good day sir."

"First, I do not want you to 'sir' me. If you do want to use gendered titles, I will answer to Madam Ambassador - though the gender-neutral Ambassador is strongly preferred. If this is an example of the culture, skills and know-how that your 'world school' might offer, I don't think your proposal needs any further evaluation for us to reach a decision. I requested that you explain why your proposal before us had any merit, and your response is asking for help to clear the lowest bar possible! Mere technical legality? Are we done here?"

[The New Nordic Union]

offering professional development that improves pedagogy and leadership

OOC: I assume from this wording the professional development is offered to the students (and why only offered, and not achieved?). In how far students developping professionally would improve pedagogy, i.e., the method and practice of teaching, especially as an academic field, is unclear to me.

[United Civil Republic]

The Representative just looks at the Ambassador for a moment. "Fine. If you believe that it is unnecessary, the just vote against it. If you have any concerns that GenSec could say, please tell me now, otherwise, good day sir."

IC: "It seems to me the ambassador does not remotely care about the fact that everyone who has voiced their opinion on this proposal has been against it, and rather thinks he can somehow push through the proposal as long as it's legal. Well let me tell you ambassador, legality is a pretty low bar, and a legal proposal is far from the same as a good proposal. The ambassador should step down from his high horse and actually think about the criticisms offered by various delegations."

The Representative is quick to reply. " At this time only two nations have concerns that I have not addressed, Also might I say, most of the opinions the ambassador sights have been based on legality of the proposal. We agree with the ambassador, but we also believe that if it is not the will of the people, it will be seen after a legal approval, we are willing to address actual issues with our resolution, but we will not appeal to opinions, especially when they are stated so rudely. Also if you would address me by my actual title, thank you."

[Araraukar]

OCC: No, it is a creative representation of the IB programme. The design of the program is based off of a high school level proffessional development non-traditional learning system that is used around the World to allow students a harder level of in-depth and more-rounded learning.

OOC: And yours isn't. So please stop using IB program as an excuse for this to be anything proven to work. Especially as RL systems, like IB, do not necessarily exist in even the majority of WA nations. So you saying "it works" is just your word for it. You need better arguments than that.

Now if that is not what I am proposing, please tell me how to fix my resolution to do so.

You can't. Not if you want to pig-headedly keep all the nonsense of quotas and completely ignoring the basic education requirements and nations' different school systems that work.

[United Civil Republic]

OOC: Well, yes and no. This is currently taken out of context, this was in an address concerning how the as 'non-traditional' pedagogy and leadership in this context apparently means 'have not been shown to work'.

OOC: Major difference, again: your system is just a huge mess with nothing well-defined about it. IB program is a Real Life system that's well-defined and has actually been set up by actual professionals.

OOC: You do have to remember that it was also not set up in a legal system with a mandate. I am also a student of that program so I do know the system that I am looking at. Now I am not going to retort to rude opinionated comments any further.

The Representative replies, "Why should students learn chemistry and not learn how to find something new? Are scientific discoveries not necessary? Why should they learn your nation's history and not my nation's history? Is it not important for a foriegn diplomat or buisnessman to know the culture of a place they may travel to? If my culture got into a war, with your country would you want your leader to be a kid who barely passed history, or one who has all of the skills and know-how to reach a peaceful resolution within a week? That last example may have been a little zealous, but I believe that you understand the idea."

IC: "It is impossible to make "new scientific discoveries" if you don't have the basics, ambassador," Linda replied somewhat crossly, "and what the fuck are you talking about, with the national histories? Why the hell should we teach our youths - which reminds me, you haven't specified this thing isn't for little kids just starting school - the history of some nation that doesn't even reside in the same universe and which we have nothing to do with? And there are some twenty thousand WA nations. Were you planning to teach the history of all of them? And diplomacy is not a normal school subject. I studied political sciences in university, doing my Master's thesis on the foreign interactions involved in the nuclear weapons ban a couple of decades ago, and only then was I eligible to apply for the Diplomatic Corps training academy. So why the fuck should we let in some kid who's barely old enough to enroll into a university, to do anything on the international stage? If you really think that science and history and whatever the fuck this "leadership" nonsense is, can be taught comprehensively alongside something as intricate as diplomacy, you're frankly speaking just insane. Our school system is basically world benchmark that others seek to emulate, so why should we let you mess it up with this nonsense?"

In response, Sorry Madam, slip of the tounge," the representative replies calmly "And I will remind the ambassador that my resolution clearly states that it is to take the role of a grad school or vocational school. So any concern that the ambassador has stated is clearly incorrect. Thank you madam."

OOC: Araraukarian school system is based on my real life nation's, and Araraukar is currently in top 1% of smartest citizens in the WA. So the ambassador isn't just pulling things out of her ass.

OOC: My World Schools program is based off of the IB program which is included in your education system: Today, FIBS has over one thousand members, all of whom study in one of Finland’s 18 IB schools. More information here.

[The New Nordic Union]

OOC: My World Schools program is based off of the IB program which is included in your education system: Today, FIBS has over one thousand members, all of whom study in one of Finland’s 18 IB schools. More information here.

OOC: Which is less than one permille of all students in Finland...

[United Civil Republic]

OCC: No, it is a creative representation of the IB programme. The design of the program is based off of a high school level proffessional development non-traditional learning system that is used around the World to allow students a harder level of in-depth and more-rounded learning.

OOC: And yours isn't. So please stop using IB program as an excuse for this to be anything proven to work. Especially as RL systems, like IB, do not necessarily exist in even the majority of WA nations. So you saying "it works" is just your word for it. You need better arguments than that.

OOC: I'm not going to humor this argument any longer. That's the point of this legislation, how do you know that anything works before you try it?

Now if that is not what I am proposing, please tell me how to fix my resolution to do so.

You can't. Not if you want to pig-headedly keep all the nonsense of quotas and completely ignoring the basic education requirements and nations' different school systems that work.

I don't take kindly to rude remarks made, please be more respectful. Quotas are necessary as to ensure that every nation is supporting its program adequately. And if a nation believes that it has a working system, it doesn't have to vote to pass my resolution.

[Attempted Socialism]

OOC:

OOC: My World Schools program is based off of the IB program which is included in your education system: Today, FIBS has over one thousand members, all of whom study in one of Finland’s 18 IB schools. More information here.

You keep saying so, we keep telling you that it's only you who can see any similarity. Your draft doesn't do what you want it to do, partially because you dismiss any advice that might improve it, like so:

OOC: I'm not going to humor this argument any longer. That's the point of this legislation, how do you know that anything works before you try it?

Now if that is not what I am proposing, please tell me how to fix my resolution to do so.

I don't take kindly to rude remarks made, please be more respectful. Quotas are necessary as to ensure that every nation is supporting its program adequately. And if a nation believes that it has a working system, it doesn't have to vote to pass my resolution.

You keep trying to pass the basic hurdle of mere legality. To be blunt, that's a shit goal to have. If you can't tell us why we should vote for, and have to keep referring to a system that is nothing like your proposed one (Regardless of how many ways you can phrase 'creative interpretation'), maybe you should take a step back and either redraft your proposal or drop it if you can't.

Edit: Fixed quote tags.

[United Civil Republic]

Ok. Officially my statement to all concerns on why someone should vote for this resolution:

The creation of World Schools would allow for a multi-cultural curriculum taht would also allow for less than priveleged students to learn in a more expressive way. I do not seek to make any offical mandates of the program becuase as I have stated previously is the job of the WSC. I ask that countries support the resolution in an attempt to seek progress. Soem nations have brought up the idea that their already existing schools do the same job. I am not going to argue on this, that is their opinion and they can vote against my resolution, but soem countries don't have the ability or their leadership doesn't want to conform to what other countries beleive. I can not stress how important it is for all countries to provide this level of education, that is why I am creating this resolution. To proivide that every student in every WA nation can have the ability to have the same high level of education.

[Attempted Socialism]

Ok. Officially my statement to all concerns on why someone should vote for this resolution:

The creation of World Schools would allow for a multi-cultural curriculum taht would also allow for less than priveleged students to learn in a more expressive way. I do not seek to make any offical mandates of the program becuase as I have stated previously is the job of the WSC. I ask that countries support the resolution in an attempt to seek progress. Soem nations have brought up the idea that their already existing schools do the same job. I am not going to argue on this, that is their opinion and they can vote against my resolution, but soem countries don't have the ability or their leadership doesn't want to conform to what other countries beleive. I can not stress how important it is for all countries to provide this level of education, that is why I am creating this resolution. To proivide that every student in every WA nation can have the ability to have the same high level of education.

OOC: I think you should write that resolution, then.
After reading these two:
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viewtopic.php?p=6551614#p6551614

[Imperium Anglorum]

OCC: It actually has been proven to work, see irl IB programme.

OOC: Major difference, IB program (not programme, at least in English) is voluntary.

Programme. I was an IB student. https://ibo.org/programmes/

[Araraukar]

OOC: My World Schools program is based off of the IB program which is included in your education system: Today, FIBS has over one thousand members, all of whom study in one of Finland’s 18 IB schools

OOC: Which is less than one permille of all students in Finland...

OOC: And that's out of 5 million people. Araraukar has 2100 million people, give or take a few million.

(EDIT: Also, I find Finnish sources that say 15 schools, not 18 (and many of them are not IB-specialized, looking at the list of them). And also looking at the way things are taught, the students are no better in terms of learning and worse off in terms of freedom to choose their interests than students in regular gymnasiums.)

Ok. Officially my statement to all concerns on why someone should vote for this resolution

OOC: Such statements are what the preamble is for.

The creation of World Schools would allow for a multi-cultural curriculum

You're mandating a school per nation. I don't see anything about multiculturalism or, to be honest, anything international.

taht would also allow for less than priveleged students to learn in a more expressive way.

...why would not "less than privileged" (you have lots of typos, by the way) students not have the same level of education to begin with? Also, what is "more expressive way"? If you're not teaching the basics to the kids, they're not going to be any use for anything more advanced either.

I do not seek to make any offical mandates of the program becuase as I have stated previously is the job of the WSC.

Which is bullshit. The proposal should at the very least outline the limits for the comittee. Otherwise you could easily bankrupt a small poor nation.

I ask that countries support the resolution in an attempt to seek progress.

Then maybe you should write a proposal that adds some progress, rather than random requirements and unnecessary bureaucracy.

Soem nations have brought up the idea that their already existing schools do the same job. I am not going to argue on this, that is their opinion and they can vote against my resolution

Bad proposals shouldn't get to the voting stage. It's just wasting the WA's time.

but soem countries don't have the ability or their leadership doesn't want to conform to what other countries beleive.

So you admit that some nations don't have the ability to do what you want them to do? Then why mandate it? Also, I wasn't aware that nations are capable of having beliefs. And furthermore, you're completely ignoring nations that have superb or even good educational systems already. If you want to target nations that don't have good educational systems, you should target those nations. And in some other way than establishing yet another school that they can't afford.

I can not stress how important it is for all countries to provide this level of education

And if they already do? See above response.

To proivide that every student in every WA nation can have the ability to have the same high level of education.

So maybe you should do that rather than establish a random school.

*snip*

OOC: Still not the point as the proposal doesn't actually have anything to do with it.

[Bears Armed]

4.A., should have "its" instead of "it's", mention of Regional specifically in that manner is a Metagaming violation (making this illegal), "assistance" is mis-spelled,?

But proposals in this category always feature grammar or spelling mistakes! It's a tradition...