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Maowi
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Postby Maowi » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:59 am

Drystar wrote:I still find clause 2 and 3.b problematic. You’ve a must statement for a member nation, but no penalty if they don’t. And 3.b has no repercussions for the agency if it does divulge the information. Is there other resolutions that tie in to those to offer recourse?

Clause 3.d then requires that the IHACC present evidence of non-compliance to the WACC for investigation. The IAO inGAR 440 would then assess the necessity and optimal size of, and impose, fines on the non-compliant nation. There would probably also be sanctions placed on the non-compliant nation by other member nations.
As for 3.b, WA committees are by default assumed to be infallible.
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Postby Drystar » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:38 am

Maowi wrote:
Drystar wrote:I still find clause 2 and 3.b problematic. You’ve a must statement for a member nation, but no penalty if they don’t. And 3.b has no repercussions for the agency if it does divulge the information. Is there other resolutions that tie in to those to offer recourse?

Clause 3.d then requires that the IHACC present evidence of non-compliance to the WACC for investigation. The IAO inGAR 440 would then assess the necessity and optimal size of, and impose, fines on the non-compliant nation. There would probably also be sanctions placed on the non-compliant nation by other member nations.
As for 3.b, WA committees are by default assumed to be infallible.


But who punishes the agency if they do divulge the information, who holds them accountable, who docks their paycheck for screwing up? Is there an outside group that holds the agency accountable? If I’m sharing said info with the agency and then they leak that info to possible opposing forces, who punished the agency for violating its own rule.

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Postby Maowi » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:44 am

Drystar wrote:
Maowi wrote:Clause 3.d then requires that the IHACC present evidence of non-compliance to the WACC for investigation. The IAO inGAR 440 would then assess the necessity and optimal size of, and impose, fines on the non-compliant nation. There would probably also be sanctions placed on the non-compliant nation by other member nations.
As for 3.b, WA committees are by default assumed to be infallible.


But who punishes the agency if they do divulge the information, who holds them accountable, who docks their paycheck for screwing up? Is there an outside group that holds the agency accountable? If I’m sharing said info with the agency and then they leak that info to possible opposing forces, who punished the agency for violating its own rule.

As far as I know, in any case, WA committees are staffed by 'goblins' who are just presumed, as a premise for the way the WA and the game work, to be neutral and have total integrity. So it's not possible for a WA committee not to carry out its duties or to be corrupt.
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:32 pm

Maowi wrote:
Drystar wrote:
But who punishes the agency if they do divulge the information, who holds them accountable, who docks their paycheck for screwing up? Is there an outside group that holds the agency accountable? If I’m sharing said info with the agency and then they leak that info to possible opposing forces, who punished the agency for violating its own rule.

As far as I know, in any case, WA committees are staffed by 'goblins' who are just presumed, as a premise for the way the WA and the game work, to be neutral and have total integrity. So it's not possible for a WA committee not to carry out its duties or to be corrupt.

(OOC: They are usually called gnomes, but you are correct. GA gnomes, and therefore also GA committees, are perfectly efficient at carrying out any mandates. They cannot be corrupted, bribed, slowed, or in any other way have their function impaired.)
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Postby Drystar » Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:52 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Maowi wrote:As far as I know, in any case, WA committees are staffed by 'goblins' who are just presumed, as a premise for the way the WA and the game work, to be neutral and have total integrity. So it's not possible for a WA committee not to carry out its duties or to be corrupt.

(OOC: They are usually called gnomes, but you are correct. GA gnomes, and therefore also GA committees, are perfectly efficient at carrying out any mandates. They cannot be corrupted, bribed, slowed, or in any other way have their function impaired.)


Color me skeptical, but if that’s the way it is, so be it. The Dominion can live with these restrictions.

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Postby Maowi » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:38 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Maowi wrote:As far as I know, in any case, WA committees are staffed by 'goblins' who are just presumed, as a premise for the way the WA and the game work, to be neutral and have total integrity. So it's not possible for a WA committee not to carry out its duties or to be corrupt.

(OOC: They are usually called gnomes, but you are correct. GA gnomes, and therefore also GA committees, are perfectly efficient at carrying out any mandates. They cannot be corrupted, bribed, slowed, or in any other way have their function impaired.)

OOC: Oops, yeah, confused the name.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:00 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Maowi wrote:As far as I know, in any case, WA committees are staffed by 'goblins' who are just presumed, as a premise for the way the WA and the game work, to be neutral and have total integrity. So it's not possible for a WA committee not to carry out its duties or to be corrupt.

(OOC: They are usually called gnomes, but you are correct. GA gnomes, and therefore also GA committees, are perfectly efficient at carrying out any mandates. They cannot be corrupted, bribed, slowed, or in any other way have their function impaired.)

Bah at that point we may as well take our plenary power and (Harbinger voice) assume direct control.

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Postby Araraukar » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:51 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: They are usually called gnomes, but you are correct. GA gnomes, and therefore also GA committees, are perfectly efficient at carrying out any mandates. They cannot be corrupted, bribed, slowed, or in any other way have their function impaired.)

Bah at that point we may as well take our plenary power and (Harbinger voice) assume direct control.

OOC: You yourself basically did let them do that. :P

But a general addition to what Kenmoria said: the gnomes are "infallible" only based on the information they receive. If new evidence comes to light or - to use court terms - a new witness comes forward with more information, or new scientific research is conducted, or any such case, then obviously the gnomes previous decision can be considered to be wrong, but only in light of information acquired since that decision was made.
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