[PASSED] Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy

[The New Nordic Union]

Why are we trying to normalize this mental disorder instead of trying help those with it?

'If you read the proposed resolution, you can clearly see that its aim is to help transgender people, even though it is not a mental disorder.'

[Wallenburg]

Why are we trying to normalize this mental disorder instead of trying help those with it?

Why are you trying to normalize hatred instead of trying to help those who suffer from that hatred?

[Dr Neela Rasgotra]

Why are we trying to normalize this mental disorder instead of trying help those with it?

It is not a mental disorder. Trust me, I'm a doctor!

[Bears Armed]

OOC: That gender and sex are fundamentally different things is well established academic consensus. To claim otherwise is to argue against the body of experts that study these things for a living.

OOC
Consensuses change. Phlogiston, Luminiferous Ether, and 'Young Earth' Creationism, to name but three examples, were all held to be true by "well established academic consensus"... until they weren't.

[Vlender Tusdeta]

Vlender Tusdeta supports this issue in concept, and conveys in concept the support of Tusdeta, across which region Vlender believes that analogous legislation already found in all nations. The affordability mandate is however concerning, as is the potential for controversy sufficient to disunite the World Assembly. Does this issue constitute tyranny of the majority? Is it fair to vote in favor on the grounds of it being no imposition to Vlender, knowing it would be an imposition to other nations in the World Assembly?

Indeed, the presence of similar legislation ubiquitously in Tusdeta raises a question of itself. What kind of imposition would it be? That information is beyond Tusdeta's sociology; we acknowledge the reality of transgenderism as a matter of course, and have only minor uncertainty in the matter of funding. To what kind of society would this legislation be new? Can the World Assembly guarantee the safety of transgenderism in nations to which this legislation brings something new?

With some reservations, Vlender shall be voting in favor of this legislation; the assistance of the international community in ensuring that the rights of transgender individuals are respected is a service appreciated in Vlender itself, which determination is the foremost obligation of judgment of the government of Vlender.

OOC: That gender and sex are fundamentally different things is well established academic consensus. To claim otherwise is to argue against the body of experts that study these things for a living.

OOC
Consensuses change. Phlogiston, Luminiferous Ether, and 'Young Earth' Creationism, to name but three examples, were all held to be true by "well established academic consensus"... until they weren't.

OOC: Sex and gender aren't going to be a collapsing consensus. What is the sex of an AI, and what is its gender? This question presently verges on nonsense; we have not any AI capable of having their own opinion on the matter, so it is akin to asking, "What is the sex of a boat, and what is its gender?" Still, research into the nature of cognition is ongoing, and it is likely that the question of AI gender will eventually achieve the total reality expressed in a self-questioning identity. When that happens, it should be readily apparent that an AI cannot have a sex, yet it can have a gender. In like manner, that which is beloved in humanity is not that humans have gametes, but that humans have intelligence, and so HI can have a gender in the same way that AI can have a gender.

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

This Proposal violates Freedom of Religion, as it is forcing religious members of WA to accept what is against their beliefs. You can expect that I am very much Against this vote.

[South World]

2. Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex.

4. Any distress arising from this real disconnect between sex and gender is referred to as gender dysphoria -- like any mental condition, it ought to be treated.

Well, which is it?

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

2. Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex.

4. Any distress arising from this real disconnect between sex and gender is referred to as gender dysphoria -- like any mental condition, it ought to be treated.

Well, which is it?

I guess it's mental illness when they need it to be.

[Saciu]

Gender dysphoria is a mental condition, though debatably not an illness. GD is 100% required to be trans. The best way to treat GD is through physical and social transition.

[Kenmoria]

2. Their experiences are not the product of "mental illness," "confusion," "disease," or anything of the sort -- rather, their understanding of their relationship to the world in the lens of gender does not correspond with their biological sex.

4. Any distress arising from this real disconnect between sex and gender is referred to as gender dysphoria -- like any mental condition, it ought to be treated.

Well, which is it?

(OOC: Being transgender is not a mental illness. However, the resultant disconnect between gender and sex is a mental condition. To use an example, having a peanut allergy is not a physical conditions, but resultant rashes from being around peanuts might be. I recognise this is an awful analogy, but it’s the best of which I could think.)

[Kolm]

Nobody's going to point out that no substantial evidence to support the extraordinary claim that transgender people are the gender to which they claim to be? Any difference in the brain to what it is supposed to be automatically must be classified as a mental DISORDER. We must treat it as such, and not as a real, perceivable thing that allows transgender people to believe they really are the gender to which they claim to be. I once had a conversation with another person that said "Genderfluid people exist because they say genderfluid exists," which is a terrible mindset and ideologues like that will lead to the inevitable disunity of the WA.

[Ransium]

Any difference in the brain to what it is supposed to be automatically must be classified as a mental DISORDER.

Who gets to decide “what is supposed to be”?

[Kenmoria]

Nobody's going to point out that no substantial evidence to support the extraordinary claim that transgender people are the gender to which they claim to be? Any difference in the brain to what it is supposed to be automatically must be classified as a mental DISORDER. We must treat it as such, and not as a real, perceivable thing that allows transgender people to believe they really are the gender to which they claim to be. I once had a conversation with another person that said "Genderfluid people exist because they say genderfluid exists," which is a terrible mindset and ideologues like that will lead to the inevitable disunity of the WA.

(OOC: There are numerous studies proving the existence of a gender identity distinct from biological sex. I also don’t feel how this will lead to disunity, as it must be passed by a majority due to the nature of the World Assembly.)

[Separatist Peoples]

This Proposal violates Freedom of Religion, as it is forcing religious members of WA to accept what is against their beliefs. You can expect that I am very much Against this vote.

"Your freedom of religion as a nation is not protected. Freedom of religion only applies to individuals under WA law, ambassador."

Nobody's going to point out that no substantial evidence to support the extraordinary claim that transgender people are the gender to which they claim to be? Any difference in the brain to what it is supposed to be automatically must be classified as a mental DISORDER. We must treat it as such, and not as a real, perceivable thing that allows transgender people to believe they really are the gender to which they claim to be. I once had a conversation with another person that said "Genderfluid people exist because they say genderfluid exists," which is a terrible mindset and ideologues like that will lead to the inevitable disunity of the WA.

"Since sex is biological and gender is sociological, and sociological constants...well, aren't constant, I'm not sure what evidence you need, ambassador. Just based on the conception of gender, we know that what defines a particular gender trait is inherently fluid. Even if you disagree, what possible harm is there in letting people express as they feel? It seems the epitome of selfishness to put your confusion or zealotry over their comfort when it costs you nothing to tolerate it."

[A Cornstar]

Gender is the new fursona. I'll ignore it because it's a. not real, and b. totes gross. Given sex is not gender it can and should be regulated by different standards. I'd just as soon accept AIDS burgers for school lunches as I would "reassignment"(Bahometism)

[Thorackistan]

IC: "The Supreme Dictator fails to see how people of this sort should be getting medication that is NOT for the treatment of psychosis. We do not tolerate these ideas in Thorackistan. We have a healthcare system that provides psychotherapies and medications for the treatment of such diseases. "

[Union of Sovereign States and Republics]

Nobody's going to point out that no substantial evidence to support the extraordinary claim that transgender people are the gender to which they claim to be? Any difference in the brain to what it is supposed to be automatically must be classified as a mental DISORDER. We must treat it as such, and not as a real, perceivable thing that allows transgender people to believe they really are the gender to which they claim to be. I once had a conversation with another person that said "Genderfluid people exist because they say genderfluid exists," which is a terrible mindset and ideologues like that will lead to the inevitable disunity of the WA.

My cousin in female to male transgender. He has a beard, no breasts, a mustache, chest hair; he's male in all sense except genitals (and even then, he is getting surgery to get male genitalia).

[Otaku Stratus]

I've never been more disappointed in you, NS.
Looking forward to the repeal.

[Savoir]

"I quote the proposal, 'Any distress arising from this real disconnect between sex and gender is referred to as gender dysphoria -- like any mental condition, it ought to be treated.' We agree with the proposal's authors that gender dysphoria is a mental condition that ought to be treated. However, the treatment mandated by the proposal is not the kind of treatment that we believe is appropriate. As such, we are against the proposal."

[Kenmoria]

Gender is the new fursona. I'll ignore it because it's a. not real, and b. totes gross. Given sex is not gender it can and should be regulated by different standards. I'd just as soon accept AIDS burgers for school lunches as I would "reassignment"(Bahometism)

(OOC: Your entire argument revolves around gender not being real, which it demonstrably is as can be evidenced by merely observing human civilisation, and gender being gross, which isn’t an argument at all. Lots of surgery is ‘gross’, but very necessary. The General Assembly shouldn’t consider these arguments, and doesn’t appear to agree with you, based on the voting margins.)

[Morover]

"I quote the proposal, 'Any distress arising from this real disconnect between sex and gender is referred to as gender dysphoria -- like any mental condition, it ought to be treated.' We agree with the proposal's authors that gender dysphoria is a mental condition that ought to be treated. However, the treatment mandated by the proposal is not the kind of treatment that we believe is appropriate. As such, we are against the proposal."

"The proposal doesn't mandate the use of hormone therapy, it simply requires the option to be out there for transgender individuals. I fail to see how one wishes to go about treating gender dysphoria should be up to their government - it should be made as a personal decision, no?"

I've never been more disappointed in you, NS.
Looking forward to the repeal.

OOC: We should probably wait until later on in the vote before talking about repeals (which I will not support if there is no replacement). It's still early enough for anything to happen.

[Scherzinger]

surely you dont think this is a good idea. Anywhom, there are only 2 genders, and anyone who thinks otherwise has been....removed.....already. I dont believe this will have any effect on our nation's daily routines, even if we are against this....proposal

[Fulford]

We here at Fulford are very liberal and have already created this law within our own nation through our parliament, now it is time for the globe to follow!

- Adam Salt, President of Fulford

[Morover]

surely you dont think this is a good idea. Anywhom, there are only 2 genders, and anyone who thinks otherwise has been....removed.....already. I dont believe this will have any effect on our nation's daily routines, even if we are against this....proposal

"Ambassador, it would appear that you are already in violation of GAR#91, as well as several other resolutions. I suggest you reevaluate your national policies, in order to come better in compliance with World Assembly resolutions. We don't want any lengthy trials on our hands, now, do we?"

We here at Fulford are very liberal and have already created this law within our own nation through our parliament, now it is time for the globe to follow!

- Adam Salt, President of Fulford

"I appreciate your support, Mr. President."

[Savoir]

"The proposal doesn't mandate the use of hormone therapy, it simply requires the option to be out there for transgender individuals.

"I should instead have said that the proposal mandates that governments provide the option of hormone therapy for transgender individuals."

"I fail to see how one wishes to go about treating gender dysphoria should be up to their government - it should be made as a personal decision, no?"

"We do not believe this. In our view, it is not good for a government to make available a treatment that we have reason to believe is potentially harmful."