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[Abandoned] Gas Mileage Standards

Postby Azlaake » Thu May 02, 2019 4:11 pm

Gas Mileage Standards
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry
Category: Environmental Industry Affected: Automotive

Noting that over 140 billion gallons of gasoline are used worldwide each year

Further Noting that the exhaust from cars are one of the main culprits of Global warming

Appalled that there has not yet been a proposal for Gas Mileage Standards

Praising the individual nations that have set their own Gas Mileage Standards

Also noting that oil is not a renewable resource and one day we will run out of our reserves

Also Further Noting that Gas Mileage Standards will lower the price of oil worldwide, make our reserves last longer, will significantly lower the rate at which Global Warming is happening, and let people use their oil and gasoline longer

The World Assembly hereby,
Mandates that any and all cars must get at least 32 miles per gallon
Condemns any cars that do not reach this limit and must be made illegal



This is my second attempt at writing a proposal, I will enjoy the feedback and I hope to see this passed!
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Postby Aclion » Thu May 02, 2019 4:30 pm

Keep in mind that the WA is not real life. It's comprised of nation from many worlds. So the number of real life vehicles is of little relevance and many nations may not be on world that are threatened by global warming.
Also know that the WA has a cap and trade system to curb emissions where it is a problem.
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Postby Araraukar » Thu May 02, 2019 10:00 pm

"What the hell are miles and gallons?"
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri May 03, 2019 4:19 am

Araraukar wrote:"What the hell are miles and gallons?"

"See GAR#88, specifically clause 2."

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Postby Araraukar » Fri May 03, 2019 6:04 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Araraukar wrote:"What the hell are miles and gallons?"

"See GAR#88, specifically clause 2."

"That doesn't work on the actual draft as actually posted by the author just now, ambassador," Linda said somewhat testily, pointing to the viewscreen at the front of the room displaying the draft text.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri May 03, 2019 6:56 am

Araraukar wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"See GAR#88, specifically clause 2."

"That doesn't work on the actual draft as actually posted by the author just now, ambassador," Linda said somewhat testily, pointing to the viewscreen at the front of the room displaying the draft text.

"Clause 2 explicitly gives ambassadors the right:

"(a) To use any variation of a mathematical unit they wish to, for whatever application they choose to use it for (including for the purposes of WA documentation);
(b) To use any variation of numeration or mathematical notation they wish to, for whatever application they choose to use it for (including for the purposes of WA documentation);

"It seems inordinately churlish to criticize an ambassador for exercising a right explicitly granted to them by prior WA resolution, ambassador. And if you are unable to do the calculations yourself, the International Measurements Institute is tasked with maintaining a delightful registry of comparative measurements."

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Postby The New Nordic Union » Fri May 03, 2019 7:22 am

Azlaake wrote:Hereby,
Mandates that any and all cars must get at least 32 miles per gallon
Condemns any cars that do not reach this limit and must be made illegal


'However far that is, this outright bans cars that do not run on gasoline, which is unacceptable. Assuming, of course, this actually refers to gasoline, for although it is stated in the preamble that this resolution regards gasoline, the active clauses do not mention this fuel, only "gallon"; gallon of what, one might ask.'
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri May 03, 2019 10:58 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Araraukar wrote:"That doesn't work on the actual draft as actually posted by the author just now, ambassador," Linda said somewhat testily, pointing to the viewscreen at the front of the room displaying the draft text.

"Clause 2 explicitly gives ambassadors the right:

"(a) To use any variation of a mathematical unit they wish to, for whatever application they choose to use it for (including for the purposes of WA documentation);
(b) To use any variation of numeration or mathematical notation they wish to, for whatever application they choose to use it for (including for the purposes of WA documentation);

"It seems inordinately churlish to criticize an ambassador for exercising a right explicitly granted to them by prior WA resolution, ambassador. And if you are unable to do the calculations yourself, the International Measurements Institute is tasked with maintaining a delightful registry of comparative measurements."


A mysterious vortex opens up without warning behind the podium. From it issues the sound of an elderly, cranky-sounding man: "My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead, and that's the way I likes it!" At this, the hole in space and time closes as suddenly as it opened.

What's the difference between a software engineer and a civil engineer?

A civil engineer thinks a kilobyte is 1,000 bytes, and a software engineer thinks a kilometer is 1,024 meters.
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Postby Gebietersland » Fri May 03, 2019 11:06 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:What's the difference between a software engineer and a civil engineer?

A civil engineer thinks a kilobyte is 1,000 bytes, and a software engineer thinks a kilometer is 1,024 meters.
I love this.

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Postby Onabango » Fri May 03, 2019 8:35 pm

We have a shortage of gas here in Onabango

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Postby Azlaake » Fri May 03, 2019 8:38 pm

No one's given me advice about this proposal
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Postby East Meranopirus » Fri May 03, 2019 9:28 pm

Azlaake wrote:No one's given me advice about this proposal

Well, I'll give you some. Give up and try something that could actually work.

I mean it, but I suppose I'll tell you why it doesn't work. Firstly, there's a very fine line between a good, non-overreaching WA proposal and a bad, micromanaging proposal. Unfortunately your proposal falls on the latter side. We already have the Greenhouse Gas Cap and Trade Program that's comprehensive enough to cover all emissions of greenhouse gas. Plus, setting specific limits like you did would be considered serious micromanaging, and piss off a lot of people.

Secondly, it's important for any new author to keep in mind that not all nations are like RL nations. Gallons and miles could very well mean nothing to some nations, like Araraukar pointed out. It's never a good idea to set specific numbers with RL units, and if you look through past proposals, I believe not a single one of them has done that.

So, my advice is basically this: Read through the guides, read through past resolutions, and find something that will work next time.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri May 03, 2019 11:02 pm

East Meranopirus wrote:I mean it, but I suppose I'll tell you why it doesn't work. Firstly, there's a very fine line between a good, non-overreaching WA proposal and a bad, micromanaging proposal. Unfortunately your proposal falls on the latter side. We already have the Greenhouse Gas Cap and Trade Program that's comprehensive enough to cover all emissions of greenhouse gas. Plus, setting specific limits like you did would be considered serious micromanaging, and piss off a lot of people.

Please establish clearly a standard for what defines micromanagement and then why this falls across that line. If you want to make a political claim, that's a separate kind of claim and also one which is up for considerable debate between different members of the Assembly. The idea that the Assembly has no role to play in setting motoring policy is laughable in light of the two already-passed (and both, in this case, repealed) automobile emission restriction resolutions.

East Meranopirus wrote:Secondly, it's important for any new author to keep in mind that not all nations are like RL nations. Gallons and miles could very well mean nothing to some nations, like Araraukar pointed out. It's never a good idea to set specific numbers with RL units, and if you look through past proposals, I believe not a single one of them has done that.

Time units such as years are widely used. See, for example, Ban on Leaded Fuel. As Sep spoke of earlier, the use of certain length units is not proscribed by resolution, in fact, the ability to do is a right guaranteed by resolutions.



To the OP:

Azlaake wrote:No one's given me advice about this proposal

More generally, the past commenters are correct on the question of carbon dioxide being a contributor to global warming. We did that already. Global cap and trade programmes which price carbon emissions to the proper level have already been implemented in the world of the General Assembly. Separately, however, that does not mean environmental regulations are irrelevant or impossible.

Instead, if I were to pursue this topic, I would do something along the lines of a drug development rewards programme which would reward innovation in the production of new vehicles or vehicle inputs which use less fuel and have a lower footprint to produce writ large. This would spur technological innovation on the matter. One could also recommend subsidies, but if we are evaluating on a carbon dioxide basis, prices would have already reflected that lowered CO2 footprint by avoidance of carbon dioxide penalties. Perhaps followed then by regulations which prohibit backsliding: that member nations may not allow the sale of vehicles for the same purpose which are substantively less efficient than those already existing.
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Postby East Meranopirus » Fri May 03, 2019 11:21 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
East Meranopirus wrote:I mean it, but I suppose I'll tell you why it doesn't work. Firstly, there's a very fine line between a good, non-overreaching WA proposal and a bad, micromanaging proposal. Unfortunately your proposal falls on the latter side. We already have the Greenhouse Gas Cap and Trade Program that's comprehensive enough to cover all emissions of greenhouse gas. Plus, setting specific limits like you did would be considered serious micromanaging, and piss off a lot of people.

Please establish clearly a standard for what defines micromanagement and then why this falls across that line. If you want to make a political claim, that's a separate kind of claim and also one which is up for considerable debate between different members of the Assembly. The idea that the Assembly has no role to play in setting motoring policy is laughable in light of the two already-passed (and both, in this case, repealed) automobile emission restriction resolutions.

East Meranopirus wrote:Secondly, it's important for any new author to keep in mind that not all nations are like RL nations. Gallons and miles could very well mean nothing to some nations, like Araraukar pointed out. It's never a good idea to set specific numbers with RL units, and if you look through past proposals, I believe not a single one of them has done that.

Time units such as years are widely used. See, for example, Ban on Leaded Fuel. As Sep spoke of earlier, the use of certain length units is not proscribed by resolution, in fact, the ability to do is a right guaranteed by resolutions.

Well, the fact that both resolutions were repealed and not replaced should say something about this topic. And for your information. I wasn't saying that managing cars is necessarily a bad idea, but the fact that he specifically used "32 miles per gallon" as an arbitrary standard without any justification.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri May 03, 2019 11:57 pm

Next, we'll hear that because an international court was never established after repeal, we should never establish one.

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Postby Araraukar » Sat May 04, 2019 8:41 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
What's the difference between a software engineer and a civil engineer?

A civil engineer thinks a kilobyte is 1,000 bytes, and a software engineer thinks a kilometer is 1,024 meters.

OOC: Actually, kilobyte is 1000 bytes these days, an has been since start of 1999. Kibibyte is 1024 bytes. :P
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat May 04, 2019 10:05 am

Araraukar wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
What's the difference between a software engineer and a civil engineer?

A civil engineer thinks a kilobyte is 1,000 bytes, and a software engineer thinks a kilometer is 1,024 meters.

OOC: Actually, kilobyte is 1000 bytes these days, an has been since start of 1999. Kibibyte is 1024 bytes. :P

Ooc: this is why lawyers are better than both computer techs and engineers.

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Postby Gebietersland » Sat May 04, 2019 10:34 am

Araraukar wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
What's the difference between a software engineer and a civil engineer?

A civil engineer thinks a kilobyte is 1,000 bytes, and a software engineer thinks a kilometer is 1,024 meters.

OOC: Actually, kilobyte is 1000 bytes these days, an has been since start of 1999. Kibibyte is 1024 bytes. :P


That is true; however, a kilobyte is still referred to as 1,024 bytes all the time, especially when working with binary. Many big software companies still use this informal denotation as well. It was funny nonetheless.
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