by Gebietersland » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:10 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:29 pm
by Gebietersland » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:56 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:"My delegation is opposed to any repeal of Reproductive Freedoms that does not unequivocally call for even greater protections for the right to terminate pregnancies."
by Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:40 pm
Gebietersland wrote:Hello World Assembly. I am new to legislation writing, and would greatly appreciate your help in editing, critiquing, etc. this draft.
The General Assembly,
Mindful of the sensitive, controversial, and wide-reaching issue of reproductive rights,
Alarmed by the unreliable definition of the phrase, “termination of pregnancy”, in GAR#286, since the specific means of termination (e.g. abortion) is not explicitly legalized, which in turn, creates an inadvertent escape clause for member nations to deny abortion,
Deeply disturbed that GAR#286 prohibits member nations to make provisions disallowing the discriminatory and unethical practice of sex-selective abortion- a procedure which undermines gender equality and contributes to detrimental demographic disparities,
Deploring that the ad rem resolution proscribes the enactment of critical legislation aimed to outlaw the egregious practice of eugenic abortion- a practice defined as the purification of a population from undesirable characteristics- as it exacerbates social inequality, undermines the legitimacy of disabled persons, poses a direct threat to diversity, and constitutes a serious ethical dilemma among many member nations,
...Troubled that GAR#286 fails to account for the uniqueness of "termination of pregnancy" as a medical procedure, as women who undergo this procedure are at a severely heightened risk of psychological damage and suicide, and subsequently, fails to include provisions addressing this issue...
by Gebietersland » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:38 pm
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Gebietersland wrote:Hello World Assembly. I am new to legislation writing, and would greatly appreciate your help in editing, critiquing, etc. this draft.
OOC: I advise you in the strongest possible terms to try to cut your teeth on something easier. Far more experienced authors have tried and failed to repeal your current target, and I don't want to watch yet another new person charge this windmill and leave thinking the whole game is impossible just because they couldn't kill a final boss with level 2 weapons (to mix several metaphors at once). I sincerely believe you'll be happier trying something else first.
If you insist, though...The General Assembly,
Mindful of the sensitive, controversial, and wide-reaching issue of reproductive rights,
Alarmed by the unreliable definition of the phrase, “termination of pregnancy”, in GAR#286, since the specific means of termination (e.g. abortion) is not explicitly legalized, which in turn, creates an inadvertent escape clause for member nations to deny abortion,
"Ambassador, this is only true insofar as some highly advanced nations claim to have artificial womb technology that I find frankly indistinguishable from magic. The termination of pregnancy is that, full stop - in most countries, that's just abortion and it's bad faith (and therefore in contravention of GAR #2) to argue otherwise."Deeply disturbed that GAR#286 prohibits member nations to make provisions disallowing the discriminatory and unethical practice of sex-selective abortion- a procedure which undermines gender equality and contributes to detrimental demographic disparities,
Deploring that the ad rem resolution proscribes the enactment of critical legislation aimed to outlaw the egregious practice of eugenic abortion- a practice defined as the purification of a population from undesirable characteristics- as it exacerbates social inequality, undermines the legitimacy of disabled persons, poses a direct threat to diversity, and constitutes a serious ethical dilemma among many member nations,
"Other resolutions protect against the systematic destruction of people and groups. Genocide is outside the remit of the target resolution and is covered elsewhere."...Troubled that GAR#286 fails to account for the uniqueness of "termination of pregnancy" as a medical procedure, as women who undergo this procedure are at a severely heightened risk of psychological damage and suicide, and subsequently, fails to include provisions addressing this issue...
"Ambassador, GAR #97 already requires that people be able to get treatment for medical issues they face. Your allegation here smacks of paternalism and scaremongering. 'Severely heightened risk,' my ass - you know why you don't hear about the women who are pleased with their decision to get an abortion? Precisely because there's no problem there! Wheels that don't squeek don't need grease, and if it ain't broke don't fix it. To the extent that your claim here is in any way true, the WA already has it covered, or possibly could fix any issues in a subsequent resolution: either way, the target resolution doesn't stop us from handling these problems, so there's no need to repeal it to fix them."
by Kenmoria » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:30 pm
by The New Nordic Union » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:36 pm
Gebietersland wrote:However, as pointed out in the cognizant clause, there is no restriction on abortion past viability, which in most populations, constitutes a significant period of time during gestation. Thus, nations (especially, the significant amount of anti-abortion member states) may bypass abortion, which constitutes the death of the fetus, by simply terminating the pregnancy and allowing the infant to live under nurture, since it is by definition viable outside the womb; this, at least in my mind, constitutes a large loophole and a significant ethical dilemma.
by Tinfect » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:01 am
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by Bananaistan » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:17 am
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by Gebietersland » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:24 am
The New Nordic Union wrote:Gebietersland wrote:However, as pointed out in the cognizant clause, there is no restriction on abortion past viability, which in most populations, constitutes a significant period of time during gestation. Thus, nations (especially, the significant amount of anti-abortion member states) may bypass abortion, which constitutes the death of the fetus, by simply terminating the pregnancy and allowing the infant to live under nurture, since it is by definition viable outside the womb; this, at least in my mind, constitutes a large loophole and a significant ethical dilemma.
'How does this constitute an ethical dilemma, ambassador? The wish of the pregnant individual to end their pregnancy is respected by this method, as well; if live birth is the method of choice of termination for some member nations, so be it - especially since abortions in the stages you describe usually involve some kind of birthing process as a necessity, anyway. Nowhere does it say that it is the express wish of the pregnant individual to kill the fetus - merely to not be pregnant anymore.'
by Gebietersland » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:07 am
by Kenmoria » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:31 am
Gebietersland wrote:Ambassadors, I apologize if you interpret this as wasting your time. However, the repeated attempts to repeal this resolution can be interpreted as testament to its severe shortcomings. Convincing, is, evidently, a subjective matter, and similar argumentation in other resolutions may just demonstrate that many find such argumentation compelling and critical. I am not advocating for a full revocation of reproductive rights, but simply a more sensible and refined approach on the issue. So have the many other, some more venerable and experienced, authors that have proposed such repeals. In good faith, how is the allowance of sex-selective and eugenic abortion not a convincing argument? Or the inconsideration of a fetus's capacity to feel pain? Or the destruction of a fetus past viability? Or the allowance of birthing a child without the pregnant person's consent?
by Tinfect » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:37 am
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Don't even start. You can view it however way you damn please, but there's a fundamental difference in our positions; ours is based on actual, living human beings, conscious and aware, who are trying to live their lives. Your side is only concerned with the possibility of a human life at some point down the line, placing the rights of something that isn't even properly aware over the rights of human beings. Quite frankly, I don't give a fuck whether it's a human life or not; it's a matter of bodily autonomy. You do not have the right to force someone to go through pregnancy and birth. You do not have the right to force people to radically change their lives as they stand for children that they don't want. You do not have the right to tell a 16 year old rape victim that, even if it is technically legal to have an abortion, she'll always be a murderer in the eyes of God and her family.
Your position is the one that hurts people. That's the final word on the matter; that's the reality of it. I don't give a shit what the intent of your position is. Restriction of abortion forces people into unwanted, unhealthy, and dangerous, situations. Restriction of abortion leads to emotional abuse. Restriction of abortion leads to community isolation. Restriction of abortion hurts people. It hurts women, who are forced to go through pregnancies they don't want. It hurts children, when they're stuck in households that never wanted them, can't support them, or have to give them up. Restriction of abortion hurts people, no matter whether or not you legalize it for rape and incest.
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by Gebietersland » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:40 am
Kenmoria wrote:Gebietersland wrote:Ambassadors, I apologize if you interpret this as wasting your time. However, the repeated attempts to repeal this resolution can be interpreted as testament to its severe shortcomings. Convincing, is, evidently, a subjective matter, and similar argumentation in other resolutions may just demonstrate that many find such argumentation compelling and critical. I am not advocating for a full revocation of reproductive rights, but simply a more sensible and refined approach on the issue. So have the many other, some more venerable and experienced, authors that have proposed such repeals. In good faith, how is the allowance of sex-selective and eugenic abortion not a convincing argument? Or the inconsideration of a fetus's capacity to feel pain? Or the destruction of a fetus past viability? Or the allowance of birthing a child without the pregnant person's consent?
“Although the repeated repeal attempts at this resolution do show that it is somewhat unpopular, I do not think that they show that it is necessarily flawed. It is, fundamentally, an ideological dispute between two lines of thought, pro-choice and pro-life. No matter how good a repeal can possible be, it will always be hated by a large amount of nations based on the ideological leaning.
The idea of a more ‘sensible’ approach is inherently one that restricts the idea of reproductive freedoms. Although very few right should be completely unlimited, it is generally a very bad idea to limit any reproductive freedoms no matter how much there may be a compelling purpose. Sex-selective abortion is no-doubt a terrible decision, but it is not worth restricting reproductive rights. Likewise, no individual can be pressured into having an abortion, so I’m not sure on what you are basing your eugenics argument.”
by The New Nordic Union » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:41 am
Gebietersland wrote:Will it appease the mostly moderate majority that just wants a better resolution, and quite frankly give everyone some room to breathe: I truly believe so.
Tinfect wrote:Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Don't even start. You can view it however way you damn please, but there's a fundamental difference in our positions; ours is based on actual, living human beings, conscious and aware, who are trying to live their lives. Your side is only concerned with the possibility of a human life at some point down the line, placing the rights of something that isn't even properly aware over the rights of human beings. Quite frankly, I don't give a fuck whether it's a human life or not; it's a matter of bodily autonomy. You do not have the right to force someone to go through pregnancy and birth. You do not have the right to force people to radically change their lives as they stand for children that they don't want. You do not have the right to tell a 16 year old rape victim that, even if it is technically legal to have an abortion, she'll always be a murderer in the eyes of God and her family.
Your position is the one that hurts people. That's the final word on the matter; that's the reality of it. I don't give a shit what the intent of your position is. Restriction of abortion forces people into unwanted, unhealthy, and dangerous, situations. Restriction of abortion leads to emotional abuse. Restriction of abortion leads to community isolation. Restriction of abortion hurts people. It hurts women, who are forced to go through pregnancies they don't want. It hurts children, when they're stuck in households that never wanted them, can't support them, or have to give them up. Restriction of abortion hurts people, no matter whether or not you legalize it for rape and incest.
There is no compromise. A compromise to you people, is only ruining some people's lives, and I will not have it. There is no 'moderate majority' on this; the very idea is laughable.
by Marxist Germany » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:42 am
by Gebietersland » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:57 pm
Tinfect wrote:Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Don't even start. You can view it however way you damn please, but there's a fundamental difference in our positions; ours is based on actual, living human beings, conscious and aware, who are trying to live their lives. Your side is only concerned with the possibility of a human life at some point down the line, placing the rights of something that isn't even properly aware over the rights of human beings. Quite frankly, I don't give a fuck whether it's a human life or not; it's a matter of bodily autonomy. You do not have the right to force someone to go through pregnancy and birth. You do not have the right to force people to radically change their lives as they stand for children that they don't want. You do not have the right to tell a 16 year old rape victim that, even if it is technically legal to have an abortion, she'll always be a murderer in the eyes of God and her family.
Your position is the one that hurts people. That's the final word on the matter; that's the reality of it. I don't give a shit what the intent of your position is. Restriction of abortion forces people into unwanted, unhealthy, and dangerous, situations. Restriction of abortion leads to emotional abuse. Restriction of abortion leads to community isolation. Restriction of abortion hurts people. It hurts women, who are forced to go through pregnancies they don't want. It hurts children, when they're stuck in households that never wanted them, can't support them, or have to give them up. Restriction of abortion hurts people, no matter whether or not you legalize it for rape and incest.
There is no compromise. A compromise to you people, is only ruining some people's lives, and I will not have it. There is no 'moderate majority' on this; the very idea is laughable.
by Gebietersland » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:58 pm
The New Nordic Union wrote:Gebietersland wrote:Will it appease the mostly moderate majority that just wants a better resolution, and quite frankly give everyone some room to breathe: I truly believe so.
'If there truly was a majority, this resolution would have been repealed and replaced a long time ago, don't you think?'Tinfect wrote:
There is no compromise. A compromise to you people, is only ruining some people's lives, and I will not have it. There is no 'moderate majority' on this; the very idea is laughable.
OOC: ^This.
by Wallenburg » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:59 pm
by Gebietersland » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:03 pm
Wallenburg wrote:If you are new to the WA, you might want to try something a little less challenging than repealing "Reproductive Freedoms". It is, effectively, unrepealable. Seasoned and experienced authors have tried and failed.
by Kenmoria » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:08 pm
Gebietersland wrote:Wallenburg wrote:If you are new to the WA, you might want to try something a little less challenging than repealing "Reproductive Freedoms". It is, effectively, unrepealable. Seasoned and experienced authors have tried and failed.
"Ambassador, I much appreciate your advice. I will work on other resolutions more plausible in the future. Thank you"
by Gebietersland » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:11 pm
by Marxist Germany » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:26 pm
by Araraukar » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:35 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Gebietersland » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:46 pm
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