NATION

PASSWORD

[ABANDONED] Repeal General Assembly Resolution #457

Where WA members debate how to improve the world, one resolution at a time.
User avatar
Ankura
Secretary
 
Posts: 26
Founded: Mar 22, 2018
Ex-Nation

[ABANDONED] Repeal General Assembly Resolution #457

Postby Ankura » Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:33 pm

Name of the resolution ("Defending The Rights Of Sexual And Gender Minorities") didn't fit in the subject bar.


GA Resolution #457 "Defending The Rights Of Sexual And Gender Minorities" shall be repealed.

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZING people of minority genders and/or sexualities should be protected by the WA.

WORRIED that the right to change gender at will could be abused to get past certain diversity quotas set by certain nations and organizations and also could be used to abuse equality laws.

Also NOTING identifying as a specific gender or sexuality that is considered "minority" could be used to get around legal restrictions on civil and political rights of certain individuals or groups.

REMEMBERING World Assembly hasn't done anything about further restrictions on civil and political rights.

CONCLUDING a more extensive resolution is needed and the said resolution is nothing less than an economic burden and also a very abuse-prone one.

Hereby,
REPEALS GA Resolution #457 "Defending The Rights Of Sexual And Gender Minorities"
Last edited by Ankura on Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:03 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:06 pm

"Full support."
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
Kenmoria
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 7914
Founded: Jul 03, 2017
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Kenmoria » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:11 pm

“Your only major complaint is that this ruins diversity quotas and affirmative action. For a start, I doubt that such actions would be necessary given the ban on discrimination in GA #035, which would seem to remove most of the need for these practices. Furthermore, there is an easy way for nations to avoid this problem: don’t use quotas. Hiring people based on ability is far superior.”
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

User avatar
Maowi
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1241
Founded: Jan 07, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Maowi » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:20 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:"Full support."


'You have very low standards for what constitutes a good proposal, ambassador...'

Ankura wrote:WORRIED that the right to change gender at will could be abused to get past certain diversity quotas set by certain nations and organizations and also could be used to abuse equality laws.


OOC: First of all it is extremely rare for a person to change their official gender just in order to 'get past' a quota. So rare that it's almost insulting to transgender people that you bring up the problem. It's like saying marriage should be banned because a tiny minority of people might otherwise get married to strangers just for the tax benefits. And even if you do consider it a problem, GAR 457 does nothing to stop your nation setting a procedure for change of gender which is more inconvenient than dealing with the quota.

'Your second point doesn't make sense, ambassador. Don't equality laws consider everyone... equal? Almost like it wouldn't matter what gender you were?

Also NOTING identifying as a specific gender or sexuality that is considered "minority" could be used to get around legal restrictions on civil and political rights of certain individuals or groups.


'Nowhere in the resolution does the text mention "minorities". And anyway, the resolution abolishes 'legal restrictions on civil and political rights' of any gender or sexuality group. Your point simply does not hold water.

REMEMBERING World Assembly hasn't done anything about further restrictions on civil and political rights.


'To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what this clause means or how it is relevant to GAR 457. Looks like a filler clause to me, ambassador.

'I'm afraid your proposal does not make a single true, relevant point.'
THE SUPINE SOCIALIST SLOTHLAND OF MAOWI

hi!LETHARGY ⭐️ LANGUOR ⭐️ LAZINESShi!

Home | Guide for Visitors | Religion | Fashion

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:47 pm

Maowi wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:"Full support."


'You have very low standards for what constitutes a good proposal, ambassador...'

"The target resolution is ought to be repealed at all costs."
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
Sierra Lyricalia
Senator
 
Posts: 4343
Founded: Nov 29, 2008
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:22 pm

Ankura wrote:WORRIED that the right to change gender at will could be abused to get past certain diversity quotas set by certain nations and organizations and also could be used to abuse equality laws.
"Ambassador, if you can name a single time this has happened outside of a shitty movie, or when the culprit wasn't a criminal with outstanding charges, I will not only vote for this but I will personally wash your car for you. This simply isn't a thing."

Also NOTING identifying as a specific gender or sexuality that is considered "minority" could be used to get around legal restrictions on civil and political rights of certain individuals or groups.

"What sort of restrictions are you talking about? They sound like the kind of thing the WA already outlawed ages ago."
Principal-Agent, Anarchy; Squadron Admiral [fmr], The Red Fleet
The Semi-Honorable Leonid Berkman Pavonis
Author: 354 GA / Issues 436, 451, 724
Ambassador Pro Tem
Tech Level: Complicated (or not: 7/0/6 i.e. 12) / RP Details
.
Jerk, Ideological Deviant, Roach, MT Army stooge, & "red [who] do[es]n't read" (various)
.
Illustrious Bum #279


User avatar
Ankura
Secretary
 
Posts: 26
Founded: Mar 22, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Ankura » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:24 pm

Maowi wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:"Full support."


'You have very low standards for what constitutes a good proposal, ambassador...'

Ankura wrote:WORRIED that the right to change gender at will could be abused to get past certain diversity quotas set by certain nations and organizations and also could be used to abuse equality laws.


OOC: First of all it is extremely rare for a person to change their official gender just in order to 'get past' a quota. So rare that it's almost insulting to transgender people that you bring up the problem. It's like saying marriage should be banned because a tiny minority of people might otherwise get married to strangers just for the tax benefits. And even if you do consider it a problem, GAR 457 does nothing to stop your nation setting a procedure for change of gender which is more inconvenient than dealing with the quota.

'Your second point doesn't make sense, ambassador. Don't equality laws consider everyone... equal? Almost like it wouldn't matter what gender you were?

Also NOTING identifying as a specific gender or sexuality that is considered "minority" could be used to get around legal restrictions on civil and political rights of certain individuals or groups.


'Nowhere in the resolution does the text mention "minorities". And anyway, the resolution abolishes 'legal restrictions on civil and political rights' of any gender or sexuality group. Your point simply does not hold water.

REMEMBERING World Assembly hasn't done anything about further restrictions on civil and political rights.


'To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what this clause means or how it is relevant to GAR 457. Looks like a filler clause to me, ambassador.

'I'm afraid your proposal does not make a single true, relevant point.'

I must quote you your own legislation, ambassador.
MANDATES that all member nations must allow each of their citizens to choose or change their own gender, and that member nations must officially recognise and accept the individual's chosen gender.

Changing official gender at will calls for abuse.

You and your friends are also doing a "Texas sharpshooter" fallacy, ambassador. My conclusion properly cited a more extensive resolution is needed since WA resolutions can't be changed. You're creating excuses to keep your resolution simply because of your political beliefs.
Last edited by Ankura on Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Kenmoria
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 7914
Founded: Jul 03, 2017
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Kenmoria » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:39 pm

Ankura wrote:
Maowi wrote:
'You have very low standards for what constitutes a good proposal, ambassador...'



OOC: First of all it is extremely rare for a person to change their official gender just in order to 'get past' a quota. So rare that it's almost insulting to transgender people that you bring up the problem. It's like saying marriage should be banned because a tiny minority of people might otherwise get married to strangers just for the tax benefits. And even if you do consider it a problem, GAR 457 does nothing to stop your nation setting a procedure for change of gender which is more inconvenient than dealing with the quota.

'Your second point doesn't make sense, ambassador. Don't equality laws consider everyone... equal? Almost like it wouldn't matter what gender you were?



'Nowhere in the resolution does the text mention "minorities". And anyway, the resolution abolishes 'legal restrictions on civil and political rights' of any gender or sexuality group. Your point simply does not hold water.



'To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what this clause means or how it is relevant to GAR 457. Looks like a filler clause to me, ambassador.

'I'm afraid your proposal does not make a single true, relevant point.'

I must quote you your own legislation, ambassador.
MANDATES that all member nations must allow each of their citizens to choose or change their own gender, and that member nations must officially recognise and accept the individual's chosen gender.

Changing official gender at will calls for abuse.

You and your friends are also doing a "Texas sharpshooter" fallacy, ambassador. My conclusion properly cited a more extensive resolution is needed since WA resolutions can't be changed. You're creating excuses to keep your resolution simply because of your political beliefs.

(OOC: There isn’t much potential for abuse that can’t be easily prevented by member nations that want to do so. I somebody changes his gender to female, then there is nothing stopping a government from basing affirmative action on biological sex.)
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

User avatar
The New Nordic Union
Diplomat
 
Posts: 599
Founded: Jul 08, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The New Nordic Union » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:40 pm

Ankura wrote:I must quote you your own legislation, ambassador.
MANDATES that all member nations must allow each of their citizens to choose or change their own gender, and that member nations must officially recognise and accept the individual's chosen gender.

Changing official gender at will calls for abuse.


'At will does not mean instantly, ambassador. Also, you have yet to demonstrate the abuse you presume to happen.'
Permanent Representative of the Nordic Union to the World Assembly: Katrin við Keldu

User avatar
Tinfect
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5235
Founded: Jul 04, 2014
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tinfect » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:00 am

OOC:
This argumentation is among the most absurd I have ever read.

In case it hasn't been said enough times, this does not happen. It just doesn't. People don't go through massive, fundamental shifts in their identity and expression simply to edge in on minority benefits. There is no debate on this subject; it literally does not happen. The only people who change their legal gender frivolously, are transphobes, who are explicitly out to cause problems. It does not happen in practical reality.

Stop. For the love of god, stop.
Raslin Seretis, Imperial Diplomatic Envoy, He/Him
Tolarn Feren, Civil Oversight Representative, He/Him
Jasot Rehlan, Military Oversight Representative, She/Her


Bisexual, Transgender (She/Her), Native-American, and Actual CommunistTM.

Imperium Central News Network: EMERGENCY ALERT: ALL CITIZENS ARE TO PROCEED TO EVACUATION SITES IMMEDIATELY | EMERGENCY ALERT: ALL FURTHER SUBSPACE SIGNALS AND SYSTEMS ARE TO BE DISABLED IMMEDIATELY | EMERGENCY ALERT: THE FOLLOWING SYSTEMS ARE ACCESS PROHIBITED BY STANDARD/BLACKOUT [Error: Format Unrecognized] | Indomitable Bastard #283
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Ankura
Secretary
 
Posts: 26
Founded: Mar 22, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Ankura » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:30 am

Very well. After massive criticism, I will scratch this one and write another draft.

User avatar
Separatist Peoples
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 16989
Founded: Feb 17, 2011
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:53 am

Ankura wrote:Very well. After massive criticism, I will scratch this one and write another draft.

"The delegation from Marxist Germany will be so disappointed. Best send them conciliatory flowers. And a note: "Sorry you still have to treat transgender people like people.""

His Worshipfulness, the Most Unscrupulous, Plainly Deceitful, Dissembling, Strategicly Calculating Lord GA Secretariat, Authority on All Existence, Arbiter of Right, Toxic Globalist Dog, Dark Psychic Vampire, and Chief Populist Elitist!
Separatist Peoples should RESIGN!

User avatar
Battlion
Diplomat
 
Posts: 588
Founded: Aug 01, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Battlion » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:14 am

Was no the last 30 times, still no now.

User avatar
Ankura
Secretary
 
Posts: 26
Founded: Mar 22, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Ankura » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:10 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Ankura wrote:Very well. After massive criticism, I will scratch this one and write another draft.

"The delegation from Marxist Germany will be so disappointed. Best send them conciliatory flowers. And a note: "Sorry you still have to treat transgender people like people.""

No we don't and we will show you that.

User avatar
Kenmoria
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 7914
Founded: Jul 03, 2017
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Kenmoria » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:55 am

Ankura wrote:Very well. After massive criticism, I will scratch this one and write another draft.

(OOC: In that case, you ought to change the tag from [DRAFT] to [ABANDONED].)
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

User avatar
Sierra Lyricalia
Senator
 
Posts: 4343
Founded: Nov 29, 2008
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:46 am

Ankura wrote:Very well. After massive criticism, I will scratch this one and write another draft.


OOC: Good call! There are plenty of possibilities for resolution writing that don't involve the repeal of a resolution whose only serious counterarguments are blind NatSov and bigotry. If you have trouble coming up with ideas, maybe try one of these?
Principal-Agent, Anarchy; Squadron Admiral [fmr], The Red Fleet
The Semi-Honorable Leonid Berkman Pavonis
Author: 354 GA / Issues 436, 451, 724
Ambassador Pro Tem
Tech Level: Complicated (or not: 7/0/6 i.e. 12) / RP Details
.
Jerk, Ideological Deviant, Roach, MT Army stooge, & "red [who] do[es]n't read" (various)
.
Illustrious Bum #279


User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:39 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Ankura wrote:Very well. After massive criticism, I will scratch this one and write another draft.

"The delegation from Marxist Germany will be so disappointed. Best send them conciliatory flowers. And a note: "Sorry you still have to treat transgender people like people.""

Ambassador Erich can be heard screaming from the bathroom stalls
Last edited by Marxist Germany on Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:59 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO

User avatar
THX1138
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 102
Founded: Dec 15, 2012
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby THX1138 » Wed May 01, 2019 3:29 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: Good call! There are plenty of possibilities for resolution writing that don't involve the repeal of a resolution whose only serious counterarguments are blind NatSov and bigotry.


Au contraire, it remains a deeply flawed and discriminatory piece of legislation that continues to violate the principles of GAR#035, and to which no nation can comply in conjunction with GAR#035, unless applying the most perverse available interpretation of 'compelling practical purposes' as justification.


Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General Assembly

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Advertisement

Remove ads