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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Mar 12, 2024 7:38 am

Ancientania wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:I’m not sure what you mean by this. Are you talking about anti-corruption?

Yeah, anti-corruption.

Generally, there is legislation on transparency in the form of GA #196, Freedom of Information Act. Corruption is generally prohibited insofar as its international aspect is concerned by GA #427, Convention on Foreign Political Corruption. However, I don't think that there is any extant legislation against corruption generally since GA #248, Against Corruption was repealed.
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Postby RENT FREE LAND » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:58 am

Shalom Fellow Gentiles ! "We" Shall Liberate A Notorious Fascist Bastion Region So Called "Fifth Empire" I Noticed Every Single Time We Liberate Any Fascist Region The Refugees Flee To "Fifth Empire" ! "We" Can't Allow Any Fascism In The Game I Joined The Region And Saw Many Pro-Trump Messages And Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theories With Blatant Racism & Transphobia, "We" Can't Allow This Keep Going On Fellow Goy's ! It Is In-Oo-A-Deed A Time For Anti-Fascist Action Against These Pro-Russian Troll's ! Hereby I Declare We Need Resolution To Ban All Fascist Nation's In This Game ! Period ! No Queations Asked ! Thank's For Reading Fellow Goy Thank "You" Four "Your" Time Reading This ! Shalom Worker's !
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:12 am

Rent Free Land wrote:Shalom Fellow Gentiles ! "We" Shall Liberate A Notorious Fascist Bastion Region So Called "Fifth Empire" I Noticed Every Single Time We Liberate Any Fascist Region The Refugees Flee To "Fifth Empire" ! "We" Can't Allow Any Fascism In The Game I Joined The Region And Saw Many Pro-Trump Messages And Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theories With Blatant Racism & Transphobia, "We" Can't Allow This Keep Going On Fellow Goy's ! It Is In-Oo-A-Deed A Time For Anti-Fascist Action Against These Pro-Russian Troll's ! Hereby I Declare We Need Resolution To Ban All Fascist Nation's In This Game ! Period ! No Queations Asked ! Thank's For Reading Fellow Goy Thank "You" Four "Your" Time Reading This ! Shalom Worker's !

Welcome to the General Assembly. This Assembly is one of two that form the World Assembly when considered together, with the other being the Security Council. The General Assembly has certain rules and passed resolutions, and the Security Council has its own rules and passed resolutions.

From the perspective of the General Assembly, a draft that mentions specific Regions isn’t allowed under the Metagaming Rule. It is a chamber that deals in roleplayed law in a certain universe, which is one in which Regions, in the mechanical sense, simply don’t exist. For similar reasons, there is an RW Reference Rule, which prohibits any mention of the real world, including to real persons such as Donald Trump. A draft in the General Assembly has to be generic. It would be able to prohibit fascism or religious discrimination generally, but not with mention to the mechanical world of NationStates or to reality.

I’m no expert on the Security Council, so I would recommend having a look over there. However, I believe that governors are still able to impose a password even after a Liberation. That could pose a challenge for using the Security Council as a weapon with which to target the Fifth Empire. There is also a previous Declaration on fascism, albeit with a focus on military action.
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Postby Waaaar » Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:10 am

Lets create a liberation army for the WA

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Postby Waaaar » Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:11 am

You can sign up and everything

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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:24 am

Waaaar wrote:Lets create a liberation army for the WA
Waaaar wrote:You can sign up and everything

If, by “liberation”, you are referring to the type of resolution passed by the Security Council, that is not within the purview of the General Assembly. It also wouldn’t be easily possible, though perhaps achievable through a Declaration, to make an army through the Security Council. I recommend going to Gameplay and looking at Defender organisations for that.

If, conversely, by “liberation”, you are referring to some sort of liberation of citizens from oppressive governments, then that is more the business of the General Assembly. It would not be possible for nations to sign up for that, because that sounds as though it would violate one of the Committee Rule, the Game Mechanics Rule, or the Optionality Rule. However, a military for the General Assembly in general is achievable, albeit likely to be very controversial.
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Postby Waaaar » Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:53 am

no I mean like an army to end an unjust invasion of a region and thank you for the advice

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Postby Waaaar » Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:55 am

and it would be organized with high ranking officials commanding armies, and to achieve that we would have to make a declaration in the to form an army for the SC.

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Postby Fachumonn » Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:53 pm

I hate to reveal it to you, but there are many reasons why there is no WA army - I don't particularly want to dive deep here, but just so you know this won't pass.
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Postby Waaaar » Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:08 pm

The army will be for the SC because I can't make the army in the SC but can do it in the WA

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Postby The Overmind » Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:53 pm

Waaaar wrote:The army will be for the SC because I can't make the army in the SC but can do it in the WA


This thread is really for discussing ideas. If you have a draft in mind, you should make a thread on the forum, though I suggest you read the rules, some past resolutions, and some drafting threads to get your bearings.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:19 am

Waaaar wrote:The army will be for the SC because I can't make the army in the SC but can do it in the WA

If you try to create an army for fighting regional invasions in a GA proposal then that would be illegal under the rule against Meta-gaming.
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Postby Waaaar » Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:40 am

No the army will protect the WA's interests and allies and I am already working on a draft.

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Postby Fachumonn » Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:44 am

Waaaar wrote:No the army will protect the WA's interests and allies and I am already working on a draft.

Have fun sunshine... with an illegal proposal that is literally impossible to pass.
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Postby The Overmind » Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:46 pm

Fachumonn wrote:
Waaaar wrote:No the army will protect the WA's interests and allies and I am already working on a draft.

Have fun sunshine... with an illegal proposal that is literally impossible to pass.
Why am I talking to kids on the internet?


There is nothing illegal about the WA having an army per se, with the caveats that it can't mention gameplay, including the Security Council, and that it can't change anything about how the site programming works. It is, however, unlikely to pass.
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Postby Freedom4thepeople » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:57 am

The Overmind wrote:
Fachumonn wrote:Have fun sunshine... with an illegal proposal that is literally impossible to pass.
Why am I talking to kids on the internet?


There is nothing illegal about the WA having an army per se, with the caveats that it can't mention gameplay, including the Security Council, and that it can't change anything about how the site programming works. It is, however, unlikely to pass.



I believe the WA shouldn’t invoke its own military. Many will say it’s for peace, but for the other regions I believe it is best to leave it for them to determine what military they want as well as to what alliances they choose.

I believe the WA should work with legislation that is more towards prevention of harm of people, or the aim at helping regions grow with support rather than introduce military growth in the name of peace.

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Postby The Overmind » Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:11 pm

Freedom4thepeople wrote:
The Overmind wrote:
There is nothing illegal about the WA having an army per se, with the caveats that it can't mention gameplay, including the Security Council, and that it can't change anything about how the site programming works. It is, however, unlikely to pass.



I believe the WA shouldn’t invoke its own military. Many will say it’s for peace, but for the other regions I believe it is best to leave it for them to determine what military they want as well as to what alliances they choose.

I believe the WA should work with legislation that is more towards prevention of harm of people, or the aim at helping regions grow with support rather than introduce military growth in the name of peace.


I am neither arguing for nor against the idea. There is a drafting thread to debate this in. I was just point out that it's not, strictly speaking, illegal.
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Postby Tanbearia » Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:01 pm

Hey, so I have been wanting to get into the GA for Model United Nations practice irl, and was wondering if there has been any resolutions on handling the copyright and fair use issues present in a lot of AI art/writing tools? whole idea I have is that the resolution would require members of the WA to have regulations that while not banning AI tools, require the developers to have clear and direct consent of those included in data sets, and that it must be separate from terms and conditions, preventing issues such as when DeviantArt made the decision to transfer to AI and later had to concede a consent system after a class action lawsuit against the company.
Might include stipulations for monetary compensations if the rules are violated by a company? Not sure how to work that in yet though.

Of course this has to be reworked into an ACTUAL resolution but I just want to make sure this hasn't been done before, since the issue is over a year old now, and i want to make sure I don't end up going through all the effort only to find out there is a pre-existing solution to the issue.
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Mar 29, 2024 4:08 pm

Tanbearia wrote:Hey, so I have been wanting to get into the GA for Model United Nations practice irl, and was wondering if there has been any resolutions on handling the copyright and fair use issues present in a lot of AI art/writing tools? whole idea I have is that the resolution would require members of the WA to have regulations that while not banning AI tools, require the developers to have clear and direct consent of those included in data sets, and that it must be separate from terms and conditions, preventing issues such as when DeviantArt made the decision to transfer to AI and later had to concede a consent system after a class action lawsuit against the company.
Might include stipulations for monetary compensations if the rules are violated by a company? Not sure how to work that in yet though.

Of course this has to be reworked into an ACTUAL resolution but I just want to make sure this hasn't been done before, since the issue is over a year old now, and i want to make sure I don't end up going through all the effort only to find out there is a pre-existing solution to the issue.

Hello. The simple answer is that there is currently no legislation about the extent to which artificial intelligence can be used in creative works, including the application of copyright with regard to this. There is an active draft, Ban on Harmful Deepfakes, which aims to target the use of artificial intelligence in the generation specifically of impersonatory work. However, to my knowledge, there is no pending draft on the interaction of artificial intelligence in art generally.

A hurdle that you will have to clear is the fact that nations of the General Assembly are not strictly based in the real world. GA #354, AI Coexistence Protocol, recognises that there are nations where sapient artificial intelligences live. This can make regulation challenging. The other difficulty is that there is no general law of copyright across the General Assembly. GA #061, WA Copyright Charter, and GA #232, Foreign Copyright Recognition, were attempts, but both have subsequently been repealed. Nonetheless, neither of these barriers is insurmountable.
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Postby Tanbearia » Fri Mar 29, 2024 4:15 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Tanbearia wrote:Hey, so I have been wanting to get into the GA for Model United Nations practice irl, and was wondering if there has been any resolutions on handling the copyright and fair use issues present in a lot of AI art/writing tools? whole idea I have is that the resolution would require members of the WA to have regulations that while not banning AI tools, require the developers to have clear and direct consent of those included in data sets, and that it must be separate from terms and conditions, preventing issues such as when DeviantArt made the decision to transfer to AI and later had to concede a consent system after a class action lawsuit against the company.
Might include stipulations for monetary compensations if the rules are violated by a company? Not sure how to work that in yet though.

Of course this has to be reworked into an ACTUAL resolution but I just want to make sure this hasn't been done before, since the issue is over a year old now, and i want to make sure I don't end up going through all the effort only to find out there is a pre-existing solution to the issue.

Hello. The simple answer is that there is currently no legislation about the extent to which artificial intelligence can be used in creative works, including the application of copyright with regard to this. There is an active draft, Ban on Harmful Deepfakes, which aims to target the use of artificial intelligence in the generation specifically of impersonatory work. However, to my knowledge, there is no pending draft on the interaction of artificial intelligence in art generally.

A hurdle that you will have to clear is the fact that nations of the General Assembly are not strictly based in the real world. GA #354, AI Coexistence Protocol, recognises that there are nations where sapient artificial intelligences live. This can make regulation challenging. The other difficulty is that there is no general law of copyright across the General Assembly. GA #061, WA Copyright Charter, and GA #232, Foreign Copyright Recognition, were attempts, but both have subsequently been repealed. Nonetheless, neither of these barriers is insurmountable.


I see, so making sure to clarify that it involves the use of "Generative artificial intelligence" which I believe is the official term along with maybe basing it off of more that artists/writers should be compensated would work? Along with making sure to not use terms like "fair use" that exist via IRL copyright laws if NS does not have any.
Also not using IRL examples to justify the resolution, instead paring it down to just that companies via the resolution should be held responsible if they violate the guidelines set by the resolution

And, thanks for letting me know, felt like it could have been covered seeing how controversial the issue has been in online spaces for about a year now.
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Mar 29, 2024 4:21 pm

Tanbearia wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:Hello. The simple answer is that there is currently no legislation about the extent to which artificial intelligence can be used in creative works, including the application of copyright with regard to this. There is an active draft, Ban on Harmful Deepfakes, which aims to target the use of artificial intelligence in the generation specifically of impersonatory work. However, to my knowledge, there is no pending draft on the interaction of artificial intelligence in art generally.

A hurdle that you will have to clear is the fact that nations of the General Assembly are not strictly based in the real world. GA #354, AI Coexistence Protocol, recognises that there are nations where sapient artificial intelligences live. This can make regulation challenging. The other difficulty is that there is no general law of copyright across the General Assembly. GA #061, WA Copyright Charter, and GA #232, Foreign Copyright Recognition, were attempts, but both have subsequently been repealed. Nonetheless, neither of these barriers is insurmountable.


I see, so making sure to clarify that it involves the use of "Generative artificial intelligence" which I believe is the official term along with maybe basing it off of more that artists/writers should be compensated would work? Along with making sure to not use terms like "fair use" that exist via IRL copyright laws if NS does not have any.

Yes, as long as you clarify that this is talking about artificial intelligences that transform input into output without intermediate action of sapience, you should be fine. “Generative artificial intelligence” is a good term for that. Utilising the standard of fair use is unproblematic, but you’ll need to define what that means in the proposal. In other words, you can’t rely on that already being there as a baseline; it has to be something that you create. Good luck!
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Postby The Overmind » Fri Mar 29, 2024 4:54 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Tanbearia wrote:
I see, so making sure to clarify that it involves the use of "Generative artificial intelligence" which I believe is the official term along with maybe basing it off of more that artists/writers should be compensated would work? Along with making sure to not use terms like "fair use" that exist via IRL copyright laws if NS does not have any.

Yes, as long as you clarify that this is talking about artificial intelligences that transform input into output without intermediate action of sapience, you should be fine. “Generative artificial intelligence” is a good term for that. Utilising the standard of fair use is unproblematic, but you’ll need to define what that means in the proposal. In other words, you can’t rely on that already being there as a baseline; it has to be something that you create. Good luck!


Another pair of terms often used is "general AI" and "strong AI," but there needn't be a preexisting term used in the proposal since it is generally better to define such terms in the proposal itself anyway to avoid any ambiguity that might, for instance, come along with the evolution of language. It would probably be sufficient to include an exception for sapient AI in the definition, since protected AI are defined by their sapience in extant resolutions.
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Postby Tanbearia » Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:04 pm

Tanbearia wrote:Hey, so I have been wanting to get into the GA for Model United Nations practice irl, and was wondering if there has been any resolutions on handling the copyright and fair use issues present in a lot of AI art/writing tools? whole idea I have is that the resolution would require members of the WA to have regulations that while not banning AI tools, require the developers to have clear and direct consent of those included in data sets, and that it must be separate from terms and conditions, preventing issues such as when DeviantArt made the decision to transfer to AI and later had to concede a consent system after a class action lawsuit against the company.
Might include stipulations for monetary compensations if the rules are violated by a company? Not sure how to work that in yet though.

Of course this has to be reworked into an ACTUAL resolution but I just want to make sure this hasn't been done before, since the issue is over a year old now, and i want to make sure I don't end up going through all the effort only to find out there is a pre-existing solution to the issue.


Made it to the drafting stage here, hoping this fits, dealt with any sort of IRL references, while trying to protect natsov, etc
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Postby Joaozinho » Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:34 pm

Is there any resolution on preserving the wonders of the world?

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:59 pm

Joaozinho wrote:Is there any resolution on preserving the wonders of the world?

If you mean the “wonders of the world” in the sense of the very recent game mechanic, there is no resolution on preserving them. However, this is because such a resolution would be illegal. Resolutions of the General Assembly operate in a fictional universe of roleplay, where mechanics such as regions, issues, and wonders don’t exist.
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Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

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