[PASSED] Reducing Food Waste

[United Massachusetts]

Good luck!

[Araraukar]

“I see no reason why charities cannot handle work that governments do not. It has been specified in the proposal text that the organisations in question must perform useful work to reduce food waste, so all that happens is a different cause results in the same effect. Governments should have money through taxation, whereas charities often rely solely on donations.”

IC: "You say that "goverments do not". Isn't that what the whole proposal is about? To make the governments handle it? Are you saying that the WA giving money to charities allows the governments to choose what to do and what not do? Wouldn't that let nations so inclined to get away with doing nothing, since charities working on WA money will do everything for them? How is that fair for nations whose governments are not corrupt and lazy, and who don't need either a WA committee or a charity to handhold them, but whose money is still bled through the General Fund to pour money into charities."

OOC: Did you give an OOC justification for this before? I'm fairly sure I prodded the issue earlier. Also, Linda is annoyed about the charities, because the Araraukarian official stance more or less is that charities are basically pyramid scams or smokescreens for brainwashing cult-recruiters (they have issues with religions as well, in case you haven't noticed ), so the General Fund -funded charities sounds about as offensive as a suggestion to give money to thieves so that they can thieve some more.

Once more, Araraukar does not reflect my RL opinions.

[Kenmoria]

“I see no reason why charities cannot handle work that governments do not. It has been specified in the proposal text that the organisations in question must perform useful work to reduce food waste, so all that happens is a different cause results in the same effect. Governments should have money through taxation, whereas charities often rely solely on donations.”

IC: "You say that "goverments do not". Isn't that what the whole proposal is about? To make the governments handle it? Are you saying that the WA giving money to charities allows the governments to choose what to do and what not do? Wouldn't that let nations so inclined to get away with doing nothing, since charities working on WA money will do everything for them? How is that fair for nations whose governments are not corrupt and lazy, and who don't need either a WA committee or a charity to handhold them, but whose money is still bled through the General Fund to pour money into charities."

OOC: Did you give an OOC justification for this before? I'm fairly sure I prodded the issue earlier. Also, Linda is annoyed about the charities, because the Araraukarian official stance more or less is that charities are basically pyramid scams or smokescreens for brainwashing cult-recruiters (they have issues with religions as well, in case you haven't noticed ), so the General Fund -funded charities sounds about as offensive as a suggestion to give money to thieves so that they can thieve some more.

Once more, Araraukar does not reflect my RL opinions.

“The whole proposal’s purpose is to reduce food waste. Who does the reduction is immaterial, at least to the extent that it should fall second to achieving less discarding of edible products. Governments are often corrupt, lacking the natural justification of the free market or the self-correcting mission of charities, so may squander the money. At the very least, a significant portion of it will be spent on meetings, possibly about when to hold other meetings.

Charities, on the other hand, will only receive the money if the GA gnomes, in their limitless efficiency, assess that they shall spend it wisely. Besides, a social organisation is held in check by its voluntary donations. If they are not doing well, they shall cease to exist. The same can’t be said for a government subsisting on mandatory and unavoidable taxation.”


(OOC: Amusingly, the official Kenmorian stance on charities is that they are second only to the private market at effectively solving societal issues, hence the rampant enthusiasm from Ambassador Lewitt. You did mention the issue before, and I think I switched the clause about slightly without actually giving a response.

From an OOC standpoint, charities were funded instead of governments since it is possible for a clause to specify that only actually helpful charities get the money. Doing the same for governments would be horribly ambiguous and garner backlash, since money would go to some nations and not others.)

[Ard al Islam]

Submitted? Let's do this! Good luck.

[Flying Eagles]

With the exception of clauses 2, 6, and 8, every single clause has words like “reasonable” that are open to way too much interpretation. I think this is more like a list of desires than specific, enforceable policy.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

Think I would have used "prohibitively expensive" in clause 8. Have voted for regardless.

[Kenmoria]

With the exception of clauses 2, 6, and 8, every single clause has words like “reasonable” that are open to way too much interpretation. I think this is more like a list of desires than specific, enforceable policy.

(OOC: Member nations have to interpret every piece of legislation somewhat reasonably anyway, and there isn’t harm in codifying that. I could have opted for more creative word choice, but the actual effect on member nations would be the same.)

[Youssath]

The Youssathian Ambassador reads the resolution at vote closely, squinting at the words "this august assembly" as his eyesight fails him once more. He calls for more time to understand the bill at hand, and summons his assistant to help him interpret what the resolution means. A group of advisors come along to his side to discuss the bill and to provide expertise for the ambassador.

After deliberate consideration from his team, the ambassador makes his way towards the podium and makes the following address:

While I must applaud the The Democratic Kingdom of Kenmoria for its noble causes for the betterment of this world, this nation believes that there are more effective and reasonable measures that can be taken to reduce food wastage.

Of course, we cannot aim to eliminate this problem entirely; especially since developed nations with a huge purchasing power often are the main source for food wastage. The idea is not to reduce food production since it can create unprecedented disasters should a natural crisis strikes, but rather a healthy and sustainable development towards food management and sustainability in order to solve this issue at hand.

Hence, while we do agree with the idea of reducing food wastage worldwide, I regret to inform you that this nation must vote against this resolution. Don't take it hard though, we will still enforce it if it passes in the General Assembly. Good luck!

Before leaving, the Youssathian Ambassador passes the Kenmorian Ambassador a detailed note justifying the nation's stance against this resolution. Hopefully, he would come into terms into what he sees in this proposal.

(OOC: It's a good proposal, although I will be challenging some parts of your resolution since they have been tried and tested before. Nevertheless, it does seem that this resolution will be passed. Good luck!

Also, this clickbait title "Why you should vote against today's resolution, even though you agree with it" seems great to describe my stance in general. )

[Kenmoria]

"Good luck ambassador, I'll be voting in favour of this shall it reach vote."

“At long last, this proposal has been submitted.”

'Best of luck, Ambassador.'

Submitted? Let's do this! Good luck.

Good luck!

(OOC: Thanks all!)

The Youssathian Ambassador reads the resolution at vote closely, squinting at the words "this august assembly" as his eyesight fails him once more. He calls for more time to understand the bill at hand, and summons his assistant to help him interpret what the resolution means. A group of advisors come along to his side to discuss the bill and to provide expertise for the ambassador.

After deliberate consideration from his team, the ambassador makes his way towards the podium and makes the following address:

While I must applaud the The Democratic Kingdom of Kenmoria for its noble causes for the betterment of this world, this nation believes that there are more effective and reasonable measures that can be taken to reduce food wastage.

Of course, we cannot aim to eliminate this problem entirely; especially since developed nations with a huge purchasing power often are the main source for food wastage. The idea is not to reduce food production since it can create unprecedented disasters should a natural crisis strikes, but rather a healthy and sustainable development towards food management and sustainability in order to solve this issue at hand.

Hence, while we do agree with the idea of reducing food wastage worldwide, I regret to inform you that this nation must vote against this resolution. Don't take it hard though, we will still enforce it if it passes in the General Assembly. Good luck!

Before leaving, the Youssathian Ambassador passes the Kenmorian Ambassador a detailed note justifying the nation's stance against this resolution. Hopefully, he would come into terms into what he sees in this proposal.

(OOC: It's a good proposal, although I will be challenging some parts of your resolution since they have been tried and tested before. Nevertheless, it does seem that this resolution will be passed. Good luck!

Also, this clickbait title "Why you should vote against today's resolution, even though you agree with it" seems great to describe my stance in general. )

“You raise good points in your dispatch, which I will look at should there be a sudden change in voting and subsequent retry.”

(OOC: When you say ‘tried and tested before’, do you mean in GA legislation or in the actual world?)

[Marxist Germany]

Kluas enters the debate chamber to announce his reasons for not voting, "I would like to announce that I am going to ABSTAIN from voting. I couldn't really decide what to vote so I summoned my assistants and held a vote and we decided to abstain. Although the proposal attempts to reduce food waste, it regulates businesses a lot which is a problem I perceived. I was initially going to vote for before the Youssaithian ambassador provided me with a pamphlet on reasons why to vote against."

[Araraukar]

IC: "As stated before, the use of WA funds to finance charities instead of nations themselves, is the reason we have voted against."

OOC: Youssath, you could probably assemble good enough a case from your dispatch reasoning into a repeal if you wanted. Just be sure to draft in on the forums, because posting it as is, would likely (didn't read it in detail yet) not work.

[PotatoFarmers]

Mr Saribu Kishat walks into the GA hall feeling very tired. After all, he just attended a discussion with regards to the issue of the proposal at vote, and there was lots of discussion on what to vote for the proposal. Nevertheless, he walked to the group of delegates discussing about the proposal, and sits down. "Sorry to interrupt all of you here, but I think we have some important points that we believed should be raised. He hands the group of delegates a piece of paper[/url] each. "In my opinion, this proposal deserves my support. The issue about addressing food waste is something even we didn't think off, and we really have to thank Kenmoria for raising the issue. Unfortunately, we have some reservations about the proposal that leads us to voting Abstain for the proposal. In the event that the proposal fails to pass, which we believe is unlikely to happen, I think our points of concern should be noted and hopefully, a better draft can come out."

[Kenmoria]

Mr Saribu Kishat walks into the GA hall feeling very tired. After all, he just attended a discussion with regards to the issue of the proposal at vote, and there was lots of discussion on what to vote for the proposal. Nevertheless, he walked to the group of delegates discussing about the proposal, and sits down. "Sorry to interrupt all of you here, but I think we have some important points that we believed should be raised. He hands the group of delegates a piece of paper[/url] each. "In my opinion, this proposal deserves my support. The issue about addressing food waste is something even we didn't think off, and we really have to thank Kenmoria for raising the issue. Unfortunately, we have some reservations about the proposal that leads us to voting Abstain for the proposal. In the event that the proposal fails to pass, which we believe is unlikely to happen, I think our points of concern should be noted and hopefully, a better draft can come out."

(OOC: One of the points you raised can be addressed here. Social justice was chosen as the category choice for reasoning explained in the preamble - food waste hurts greatly poorer citizens by driving up prices as well as halting access to food. Either category would be correct, and I chose social justice to emphasise that the proposal doesn’t damage industry, only regulates. Thanks for the feedback.)

[Youssath]

The Youssathian Ambassador reads the resolution at vote closely, squinting at the words "this august assembly" as his eyesight fails him once more. He calls for more time to understand the bill at hand, and summons his assistant to help him interpret what the resolution means. A group of advisors come along to his side to discuss the bill and to provide expertise for the ambassador.

After deliberate consideration from his team, the ambassador makes his way towards the podium and makes the following address:

While I must applaud the The Democratic Kingdom of Kenmoria for its noble causes for the betterment of this world, this nation believes that there are more effective and reasonable measures that can be taken to reduce food wastage.

Of course, we cannot aim to eliminate this problem entirely; especially since developed nations with a huge purchasing power often are the main source for food wastage. The idea is not to reduce food production since it can create unprecedented disasters should a natural crisis strikes, but rather a healthy and sustainable development towards food management and sustainability in order to solve this issue at hand.

Hence, while we do agree with the idea of reducing food wastage worldwide, I regret to inform you that this nation must vote against this resolution. Don't take it hard though, we will still enforce it if it passes in the General Assembly. Good luck!

Before leaving, the Youssathian Ambassador passes the Kenmorian Ambassador a detailed note justifying the nation's stance against this resolution. Hopefully, he would come into terms into what he sees in this proposal.

(OOC: It's a good proposal, although I will be challenging some parts of your resolution since they have been tried and tested before. Nevertheless, it does seem that this resolution will be passed. Good luck!

Also, this clickbait title "Why you should vote against today's resolution, even though you agree with it" seems great to describe my stance in general. )

“You raise good points in your dispatch, which I will look at should there be a sudden change in voting and subsequent retry.”

(OOC: When you say ‘tried and tested before’, do you mean in GA legislation or in the actual world?)

"You are welcome, ambassador. We hope that we can bring upon meaningful contributions towards your notion for a better world."

(OOC: It's more of economic theory to be honest. A few market examples about how free market works in different types of industries (healthcare, food etc) is what that forms the basis of this argument. So no, my argument doesn't derive examples from the actual world, although economic theories and management do somewhat stem from them. I hope this brings clarification!)

IC: "As stated before, the use of WA funds to finance charities instead of nations themselves, is the reason we have voted against."

OOC: Youssath, you could probably assemble good enough a case from your dispatch reasoning into a repeal if you wanted. Just be sure to draft in on the forums, because posting it as is, would likely (didn't read it in detail yet) not work.

(OOC: Aye, that works too. But I will see what I can come up with since I feel that my dispatch is still lacking... somewhat.)

[Inderlanda3]

THis resolution is Great and is one that we can all support

[East Meranopirus]

Wait, Kenmoria joined the WA for this?

[Halston Sage]

The representative from Halston Sage speaks into the mic.

"The Great Matriarchy of Halston Sage strongly votes AGAINST this resolution and encourages other nations around the world to vote the same.

The solution to world hunger should not be to restrict personal and commercial freedoms in nations that are more well off, but to work alongside these capabilities. Foreign aid from nations willing and able to provide, using already existing distribution networks. Providing more options for everyone, not less.

The impractical tasks of measures such as screening, repackaging and repurposing second-hand food for redistribution will cost citizens more and create an even larger negative impact on the environment with the necessary facilities, collection and shipping infrastructure needed for such. That's more vehicles needed, more electricity used, more carbon emissions in the air.

On paper this resolution may sound like a noble task, but one must question who these measures would truly benefit. A population with less options and more restrictions? No. A third world nation suffering from other underlying conditions, such as instability and war, that explains the actual real root cause of their hunger inequality? Not if distractions like these are used to keep nations from having their real underlying issues addressed. Or is it the radical Food Welfare Organisation who is the true benefactor here? Let more rational minds prevail this day, and leaders around the world vote responsibly to ensure their citizens the rights and freedoms they deserve. All nations should strive to have a utopian surplus and find the best methods that works on their lands for taking care of the unfortunate without lowering everyone's quality of life to the same level.

Thank you."

[Kenmoria]

Wait, Kenmoria joined the WA for this?

(OOC: From an IC perspective, no. The only reason I’ve switched my WA status from Kenmoria WA Mission to Kenmoria is so that I get the badge in my main nation. As soon as this passes, or possibly fails, I’ll switch back to normal.)

[Losthaven]

In retrospect, this probably should not have been given a "mild" effect given the broad new mandates imposed by this law. 'Commanding' nations to provide every citizen with food storage education, obliging food producers to limit waste as far as reasonably possible, mandating food recycling, ordering nations to establish a food welfare program, requiring business to take 'every' reasonable step to delay food spoilage... there is no way this is a mere mild proposal. There's nothing that can be done to fix this now of course, but this really should have been significant or even strong.

We see a few problems with some provisions of this proposal but the overall aim is benign. We won't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch (to use a bad pun) or let good be the enemy of great. Losthaven votes FOR.

[Araraukar]

In retrospect, this probably should not have been given a "mild" effect given the broad new mandates imposed by this law. 'Commanding' nations to provide every citizen with food storage education, obliging food producers to limit waste as far as reasonably possible, mandating food recycling, ordering nations to establish a food welfare program, requiring business to take 'every' reasonable step to delay food spoilage... there is no way this is a mere mild proposal.

OOC: I think it was based on "because reasonable nations/businesses would already be doing this anyway", so it's not exactly introducing a lot of new stuff for most of the nations.

[Losthaven]

In retrospect, this probably should not have been given a "mild" effect given the broad new mandates imposed by this law. 'Commanding' nations to provide every citizen with food storage education, obliging food producers to limit waste as far as reasonably possible, mandating food recycling, ordering nations to establish a food welfare program, requiring business to take 'every' reasonable step to delay food spoilage... there is no way this is a mere mild proposal.

OOC: I think it was based on "because reasonable nations/businesses would already be doing this anyway", so it's not exactly introducing a lot of new stuff for most of the nations.

Maybe, although I generally have problems with the logic that says folks are likely doing this anyway so we're really not asking much. And, in any case, it's not clear that the principle applies to things like the specific requirements for directing food waste toward particular ends and mandating food storage education.

[Kenmoria]

In retrospect, this probably should not have been given a "mild" effect given the broad new mandates imposed by this law. 'Commanding' nations to provide every citizen with food storage education, obliging food producers to limit waste as far as reasonably possible, mandating food recycling, ordering nations to establish a food welfare program, requiring business to take 'every' reasonable step to delay food spoilage... there is no way this is a mere mild proposal.

OOC: I think it was based on "because reasonable nations/businesses would already be doing this anyway", so it's not exactly introducing a lot of new stuff for most of the nations.

(OOC: You’re correct. Also, it was because a lot of the clauses have a lot of leeway for members nations due to use of ‘reasonable.)

[Dirty Americans]

I am shocked to see a resolution like this on the floor. I didn't think the delegates would have it in them to support such a fine and outstanding resolution that actually addresses an important issue. I have voted for this and you have my full support.

[Youssath]

I am shocked to see a resolution like this on the floor. I didn't think the delegates would have it in them to support such a fine and outstanding resolution that actually addresses an important issue. I have voted for this and you have my full support.

"Oh, it's a fine proposal alright, ambassador. If you look closely enough, you can find some glaring issues that need to be tackled appropriately, especially since we are establishing the precedent here."

The Youssathian Ambassador hands you a note similar to what he gave the Kenmorian Ambassador, except that this one has an apparent coffee smudge on it.

[A Great and Free Spain]

This Empire votes Against.

This proposal is so, so sad.