[DRAFT] Improving rehabilitation of prisoners

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: It's too bad that incomprehensibility isn't an illegality, if it's otherwise understandable English...

Also stupidities like "mandates that nations may".

OOC:Mandating that X may is basically an inner contradiction.

[Araraukar]

OOC:Mandating that X may is basically an inner contradiction.

OOC: No, it's just stupid wording. There are spots of actual inner contradiction, but internal contradiction hasn't been an actual illegality for a while.

[Widowed Land]

You say that wording is wrong but I legit got few telegrams saying how WA proposals are always written in hardly understandable words and how this one is just simple... so you know, for you its bad, for someone else its wonderful. I am will not scream out how much of a good job I did(even if I did) and moan how everyone must vote for this. Because I am not Marxist Germany who thinks world is going around him.

But fact is fact....

Proposal reached the Quorum.

It was unexpected for you and even me, but I worked REALLY hard for this and no one can really deny it...(some don't know the half of it.) Whether it will last in quorum or some of the delegates will get raided and cast off from approving... or on voting it wil be rejected, overall I am happy with it.

Thanks every person in this thread who helped me, whether you approved this resolution or not(if it will lose I might continue improving it... ofc Marxist Germany doesn't count).

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: This will fail at vote; I can almost guarantee it. There are just far too many internal contradictions and nonsensical clauses for this to gain the approval of voting blocs or experienced players. Getting something to quorum requires only 6% of delegates to approve and, though it does show that the proposal is at least legal and not clearly silly, is not really a mark of achievement.)

[Wrapper]

OOC:

This will fail at vote; I can almost guarantee it.

Agreed. Here’s just one “oops” that will ensure defeat:

Mandates to let the detainee out of a prison for one day

2.) During three days release

[Widowed Land]

OOC:

This will fail at vote; I can almost guarantee it.

Agreed. Here’s just one “oops” that will ensure defeat:

Mandates to let the detainee out of a prison for one day

2.) During three days release

damn, i noticed that yesterday..... Well 82 delegates didn't notice it...

[Kenmoria]

OOC:

Agreed. Here’s just one “oops” that will ensure defeat:

Mandates to let the detainee out of a prison for one day

2.) During three days release

damn, i noticed that yesterday..... Well 82 delegates didn't notice it...

(OOC: That was my point. 6% of delegates to approve a proposal just requires getting the support of less than one in fifteen people. Succeeding in vote requires over one in two people to approve your idea, so people will notice errors such as that.)

[Widowed Land]

(OOC: This will fail at vote; I can almost guarantee it. There are just far too many internal contradictions and nonsensical clauses for this to gain the approval of voting blocs or experienced players. Getting something to quorum requires only 6% of delegates to approve and, though it does show that the proposal is at least legal and not clearly silly, is not really a mark of achievement.)

OOC: Neither it is easy... Alongside my proposal there were like 10 proposals. One will certainly reach quorum after me. Two reached 40ish approvals... others were failures, so npt as easy as you show. And I am not saying that it was some kind of achievement and idk commend me. I just said what was the reality.

[Widowed Land]

damn, i noticed that yesterday..... Well 82 delegates didn't notice it...

(OOC: That was my point. 6% of delegates to approve a proposal just requires getting the support of less than one in fifteen people. Succeeding in vote requires over one in two people to approve your idea, so people will notice errors such as that.)

OOC: Hey, If it will lose(according to you it certainly will), then you'll be here in this thread to fix my previous mistakes and make resolution more acceptable?!! Am I right.. idk about you but i get certainly attached to people for no reason.... Now I'll go sleep because cannot afford being late for highschool again. I might get a warning(never had one, and don't want to have it in the future)

[Wrapper]

Is your goal to get something to vote, or to get something to pass?

If merely the former, I just might start a counter-campaign in fifteen minutes. I have the stamps to do so. And, if it’s still in queue after that, I’m sure the major delegates will take notice of the internal contradictions and will vote against it, ensuring its failure.

If the latter, withdraw it, fix it, and spend some time getting more comments before resubmitting it. Withdrawing something is not a death knell for it; there have been many withdrawn proposals that eventually passed. Patience is the key.

[Widowed Land]

Is your goal to get something to vote, or to get something to pass?

If merely the former, I just might start a counter-campaign in fifteen minutes. I have the stamps to do so. And, if it’s still in queue after that, I’m sure the major delegates will take notice of the internal contradictions and will vote against it, ensuring its failure.

If the latter, withdraw it, fix it, and spend some time getting more comments before resubmitting it. Withdrawing something is not a death knell for it; there have been many withdrawn proposals that eventually passed. Patience is the key.

Dude..... You know have much energy have I lost MANUALLY sending hundreds of telegrams. And aside from this forum, people really compliment my resolution(and they have read it.) So I will not rely only on reviews on this forum. I get enough amounts of positive comments to have a hope for victory.


P.S. and that's kinda mean. you'll lose your stamps and time to destroy something that i worked on for week(s)? Even if you don't like it or HATE it... Just vote against I guess

[The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper]

Changing to non-mod account, because reasons.

Is your goal to get something to vote, or to get something to pass?

If merely the former, I just might start a counter-campaign in fifteen minutes. I have the stamps to do so. And, if it’s still in queue after that, I’m sure the major delegates will take notice of the internal contradictions and will vote against it, ensuring its failure.

If the latter, withdraw it, fix it, and spend some time getting more comments before resubmitting it. Withdrawing something is not a death knell for it; there have been many withdrawn proposals that eventually passed. Patience is the key.

Dude..... You know have much energy have I lost MANUALLY sending hundreds of telegrams. And aside from this forum, people really compliment my resolution(and they have read it.) So I will not rely only on reviews on this forum. I get enough amounts of positive comments to have a hope for victory.


P.S. and that's kinda mean. you'll lose your stamps and time to destroy something that i worked on for week(s)? Even if you don't like it or HATE it... Just vote against I guess

Hoo boy, have you missed the point.

I think this is worth salvaging. I also think you screwed up. Do you want to fix it or not?

Tell you what. You withdraw it and fix it, and instead of using my stamps for a counter-campaign, I’ll use them to send out your next campaign telegram instead. If you really want this to pass, that is THE best path for you to take.

The choice is yours.

[Widowed Land]

Changing to non-mod account, because reasons.

Dude..... You know have much energy have I lost MANUALLY sending hundreds of telegrams. And aside from this forum, people really compliment my resolution(and they have read it.) So I will not rely only on reviews on this forum. I get enough amounts of positive comments to have a hope for victory.


P.S. and that's kinda mean. you'll lose your stamps and time to destroy something that i worked on for week(s)? Even if you don't like it or HATE it... Just vote against I guess

Hoo boy, have you missed the point.

I think this is worth salvaging. I also think you screwed up. Do you want to fix it or not?

Tell you what. You withdraw it and fix it, and instead of using my stamps for a counter-campaign, I’ll use them to send out your next campaign telegram instead. If you really want this to pass, that is THE best path for you to take.

The choice is yours.

OOC: 1.) I work with phone so making stuff is harder and typos occur more than on computers.
2.) Let's say I said: "heck my work of several days and even weeks" and remove the resolution to improve it without letting it to reach the voting.
3.) Then theoretically I trust you... What is it for you? Why would you waste your stamps and TIME on telegramming delegates? To make wish of random kid come true?

Tbh I would agree to that proposal... but I kinda want to hear answer to that question.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Stamps take zero time.

[Widowed Land]

Stamps take zero time.

OOC: stamps take money... right?

oh and congratulations, your proposal will soon reach the quorum I see.

[The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper]

1. I can relate. I’m on the road five days a week (only three more weeks to go!) and I’ve been stuck using an iPad. I’ve made so many typos and edits on this damn thing, it’s inspired me to make another puppet, Ducking Auto Cucumbers. That said, I’ll be home tomorrow, and I can help make edits for you from my PC.

2. You haven’t wasted your time on this if you’ve learned from your mistakes.

3. Two reasons. One, it’s an easy co-author credit. Two, I’ve done this before. For one, I helped out Kaboomlandia after he’d alienated much of the GA population, because I liked his enthusiasm and I noticed some significant improvement over his earliest attempts, that I thought a helpful boost would be beneficial to his work and his standing in the WA community. Since then, he’s done extremely well, especially on the SC side of things. Three — okay, I lied, three reasons, not two — I appreciate how much work it takes to do a manual campaign. My first proposal, I did a manual campaign, and I got some pity approvals, but of course the proposal failed. Big time. I learned a few things from that experience, and the next time, I took my time with the proposal, learned when to accept criticism and when to stand pat, got close to quorum and wanted to withdraw it so I could fix a critical problem with it (back then only mods could remove a proposal), fixed it, resubmitted it, and watched it pass by a record-breaking margin (a record that was just recently broken). I don’t think we’ll break any records with this one, but I think there are some significant changes to be made here that would ensure its passing.

Also, for the record, this is OOC, and OOCly I have never done something so dishonorable as to make a promise to get someone to do something, and then break it. That’s not my style, nor has it ever been.

[Widowed Land]

OOC: All the grammar mistakes have been edited. at least those I found during 2 AM. Okay, I will withdraw it(even if it is so hard to click that delete button), for the greater insurance that you'll use stamps and spread the word(again). Oh and co-author should submit his initiative tomorrow as promised either on this forum or via telegram or I can send you my discord account. I wanted to say something more but I forgot so yea bye i guess... Talk to you tomorrow my resolution remover.

[Grays Harbor]

OOC: withdrawing, improving, and resubmitting is *never* a waste of time. Seriously, listen to Wrapper. While I personally disagree with much in this proposal (not going into that now as those points have been argued to death by others already), you appear to now have a good ally in this. Don’t throw that opportunity away.

[Widowed Land]

OOC: withdrawing, improving, and resubmitting is *never* a waste of time. Seriously, listen to Wrapper. While I personally disagree with much in this proposal (not going into that now as those points have been argued to death by others already), you appear to now have a good ally in this. Don’t throw that opportunity away.

I (after several failed attempts) withdrew my resolution. So yea... deed is done. lol, no turning back

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: withdrawing, improving, and resubmitting is *never* a waste of time. Seriously, listen to Wrapper. While I personally disagree with much in this proposal (not going into that now as those points have been argued to death by others already), you appear to now have a good ally in this. Don’t throw that opportunity away.

I (after several failed attempts) withdrew my resolution. So yea... deed is done. lol, no turning back

OOC:If you really want this to pass, you should remove the mandated parole clause.

[Separatist Peoples]

Is your goal to get something to vote, or to get something to pass?

If merely the former, I just might start a counter-campaign in fifteen minutes. I have the stamps to do so. And, if it’s still in queue after that, I’m sure the major delegates will take notice of the internal contradictions and will vote against it, ensuring its failure.

If the latter, withdraw it, fix it, and spend some time getting more comments before resubmitting it. Withdrawing something is not a death knell for it; there have been many withdrawn proposals that eventually passed. Patience is the key.

Dude..... You know have much energy have I lost MANUALLY sending hundreds of telegrams. And aside from this forum, people really compliment my resolution(and they have read it.) So I will not rely only on reviews on this forum. I get enough amounts of positive comments to have a hope for victory.


P.S. and that's kinda mean. you'll lose your stamps and time to destroy something that i worked on for week(s)? Even if you don't like it or HATE it... Just vote against I guess

Ooc: people who have read your draft and complimented it either dont have your best interests at heart or dont understand what a quality resolution looks like. I wouldn't take advice from people without experience in this.

[Araraukar]

Ooc: people who have read your draft and complimented it either dont have your best interests at heart or dont understand what a quality resolution looks like.

OOC: ^^^^THIS.

Now, what you really need to do, is a re-think. Your proposal is currently all over the place. Are you interested in 1. mandating quality rehabilitation, 2. reducing prison overcrowding (where it is an issue), 3. mandating (despite everyone telling you it's a bad idea) house arrest as part of the prison sentence, or 4. trying to enhance ex-convicts' chances of getting a job and becoming model citizens after getting out? You should only pick one of those. (I didn't include the "prison infrastructure", because that's basically a no-go because of duplication issues.)

[Wrapper]

Your proposal is currently all over the place. Are you interested in 1. mandating quality rehabilitation, 2. reducing prison overcrowding (where it is an issue), 3. mandating (despite everyone telling you it's a bad idea) house arrest as part of the prison sentence, or 4. trying to enhance ex-convicts' chances of getting a job and becoming model citizens after getting out? You should only pick one of those.

Already headed down that road. Thanks for stealing my thunder.

[East Meranopirus]

Now, what you really need to do, is a re-think. Your proposal is currently all over the place. Are you interested in 1. mandating quality rehabilitation, 2. reducing prison overcrowding (where it is an issue), 3. mandating (despite everyone telling you it's a bad idea) house arrest as part of the prison sentence, or 4. trying to enhance ex-convicts' chances of getting a job and becoming model citizens after getting out? You should only pick one of those. (I didn't include the "prison infrastructure", because that's basically a no-go because of duplication issues.)

Seems to me like the first one, quality rehabilitation, is the easiest to do. Prison overcrowding is kind of micromanaging a bit (mandating house arrest is even more), and letting ex-cons become model citizens and guaranteeing jobs seems like it could get a lot of problems.

Already headed down that road. Thanks for stealing my thunder.

Hey, everyone, jump on the bandwagon! You can have 3 co-authors after all

[Widowed Land]

OOC: I had school, the highschool club(I am the leader), bla bla bla... Finally home to upload new and arguably improved version of the resolution. Check it out, like it, hate it, criticize it, improve it, debate me one on one on the ring bros... You know what you should do... Waiting for your responses.


P.S. No more co-authors. Ik it was a joke.