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[DRAFT] Right to Transition

Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:39 am

The Confederation has done some serious reflecting, and we have come to an understanding that some of our comments on recent proposals have been somewhat out of line.

As a result, we've decided to take a new approach with our future WA proposals, and have drafted up something a little different.

The proposal builds on some of the existing clauses of GA#91 and GA#457.


Right to Transition
Category: Civil Rights
Strength: Significant

Acknowledging that gender dysphoria is a serious condition that cause great distress in transgender people, leading to mental illness and/or the act of physical self-harm, not excluding suicide.

Asserting that transgender people have the right to identify as their chosen gender, and thus should be allowed to transition free of prejudice.

Explicitly clarifying that gender is the construct of an individual, and no governing authority should presume to dictate otherwise.

Understanding that transgender people often require medical intervention to resolve their inner conflict; requires that all member nations allow transgender people the right to medically transition.

Orders all member nations provide adequate psychological assistance to transgender people, in particular transgender children, with resources determined on a case-by-case basis.

Mandates that nations operating subsidised medicine schemes do not discriminate against transgender people, and must cover treatments including but not limited to hormone replacement therapy and gender reassignment surgery if similarly classed procedures would be covered for non-transgender citizens.

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All comments and/or concerns welcome, we'd also like to hear the opinion of actual trans people on the proposal if possible.
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Postby Jocospor » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:49 am

OOC: Yep, after looking through genuine legislation, we thought that the stuff on this could be further expanded without getting rid of what's already place.
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:58 am

OOC: Exactly what does this do that GA #91, A Convention on Gender doesn't do? Mandate nations to cover gender reassignment costs? Good luck getting that to pass. The antidiscrimination bit is already covered by CoCR, so it should probably be a "reaffirms" or similar.

You need to separate your preamble from your active clauses, they're currently muddled, with an "understanding" clause suddenly having a "requires" in the middle. And then number your active clauses.

Given that this seems to be more about healthcare costs, it should probably be recategorized to Health - Healthcare. And your preamble clauses give no reasons why the active clauses are a good idea (hint: they should do that).
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:25 am

Ooc: I have never been so suspicious of a draft. That said, what Ara has said seems, at first glance, spot on.

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Postby Iciaros » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:39 am

(OOC: I do wonder about this. I agree with Ara in the sense that I think this proposal covers the same bases that GAR#91 does, except for funding SRS. I note as a side note that mental health in general (not insinuating that being trans makes you mentally ill, just that the main damage it causes is mental and psychological) doesn't seem to be covered unless healthcare encompasses mental health.

Regardless, if this is legal, I would definitely vote for it; the problem comes that I'm not sure it would receive majority support. DRSGM came pretty close to the margin, if I recall, and that didn't require an expenditure increase. It looks, at least to me, that you may have an uphill battle on your hands. Best of luck.)
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Postby Marxist Germany » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:41 am

"Against, as we would not like a 3rd resolution on gender"
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:13 am

Marxist Germany wrote:"Against, as we would not like a 3rd resolution on gender"

"Ambassador, you often make it very hard to pick a side."

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Separatist Peoples wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:"Against, as we would not like a 3rd resolution on gender"

"Ambassador, you often make it very hard to pick a side."

"Can you elaborate more on that please, Mr Ambassador."
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Postby Orveila » Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:35 am

"Against. Transgender individuals should have the right and freedom to transition, Orveila supports this strongly, but we will not be ordered by this body to assume those costs for these individuals."
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Postby Aclion » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:37 pm

I can't help but think that the authors idea of "adequate psychological assistance to transgender people" would involve electroshock therapy >.>
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Postby Hijlistan Arg » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:28 pm

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Hijlistan Arg wrote:"We agree with the sentiment on its own, but we find it suspicious that the region proposing this is associated with the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators. It is against our principles to support any potential advancements of nations we suspect of fascism."

OOC:I just don't understand this prejudice against anyone from the CCD, brainwashing too much?
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Postby The Black Party » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:38 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Hijlistan Arg wrote:"We agree with the sentiment on its own, but we find it suspicious that the region proposing this is associated with the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators. It is against our principles to support any potential advancements of nations we suspect of fascism."

OOC:I just don't understand this prejudice against anyone from the CCD, brainwashing too much?

Precisely.

"The CCD was never an ally, nor anyone to sympathise with. A firm stance against this draft, and against the region."
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The Black Party wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:I just don't understand this prejudice against anyone from the CCD, brainwashing too much?

Precisely.

"The CCD was never an ally, nor anyone to sympathise with. A firm stance against this draft, and against the region."

OOC:You shouldn't judge someone based on what region they reside in is my point. You also shouldn't be against a proposal because the author is from a region you dislike
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Postby The Black Party » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:44 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
The Black Party wrote:Precisely.

"The CCD was never an ally, nor anyone to sympathise with. A firm stance against this draft, and against the region."

OOC:You shouldn't judge someone based on what region they reside in is my point. You also shouldn't be against a proposal because the author is from a region you dislike

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Postby Marxist Germany » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:26 pm

The Black Party wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:You shouldn't judge someone based on what region they reside in is my point. You also shouldn't be against a proposal because the author is from a region you dislike

wwwwwwwwwwwhy?

OOC:Unless you dislike the author himself (which you probably do)
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:39 pm

(OOC: There isn’t a need to dislime any and all proposals made by anyone from the CoCD solely because of the region. Although I recognise there have been some bad attempts, this one is not only a legitimate piece of legislation, it also looks completely in good-faith.)

“Convention on Gender, GA #091, exists and is a very important bill in the area within which you are looking to legislate. Although there might be enough left over for you to avoid too much duplication, it will be hard to do so without looking awkward due to the obvious areas being excluded.

What you have currently is mandate of psychological support and for member nations to cover the cost of transitioning. You could try and expand on these points to provide a more inepdendent mandate, or make more clauses that haven’t been covered by 91. I also urge you to look at this from multiple perspectives, as a lot of opposition will be encountered based solely on the subject matter.”
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Postby Catgirl Harems » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:15 pm

OOC: I agree with Ara, please fix your formatting, this draft is borderline unreadable and only serves to further suspicion. I'd also like for more concrete details on what costs are covered and what forms of mental health treatment are required from member nations.
In addition this never defines what a transgender individual is and who is contained within that term according to the author.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:11 pm

The bulk of this is plain old duplication. I see no need for this proposal.
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Orders all member nations provide adequate psychological assistance to transgender people, in particular transgender children, with resources determined on a case-by-case basis.

This is raising red flags, even with the standing ban on "conversion therapy".
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:08 pm

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Sorry, I am more than happy to take a position on Legislation based on where it comes from; I have absolutely no reason to believe that this is a genuine, good faith effort by the CCD. Opposed.
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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:47 pm

Against on Principle - WA should stay out of these types of things that are on a nation-by-nation basis and only regulate things in which when a certain nation makes a national decision it has an international impact. This is not one such issue. How a country treats transgenders is not a thing that carries over international borders.
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:51 pm

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Against on Principle - WA should stay out of these types of things that are on a nation-by-nation basis and only regulate things in which when a certain nation makes a national decision it has an international impact. This is not one such issue. How a country treats transgenders is not a thing that carries over international borders.


OOC:
There is a lot of precedent that the WA can and does legislate on Civil Rights.
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Postby New Bremerton » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:03 am

OOC: Sounds good to me, duplication issues aside. It shouldn't matter what region is proposing this. This is the GA, not the SC. The content of the proposal is all that matters to me.

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New Bremerton wrote:OOC: Sounds good to me, duplication issues aside. It shouldn't matter what region is proposing this. This is the GA, not the SC. The content of the proposal is all that matters to me.


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Postby Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:39 am

Asserting that transgender people have the right to identify as their chosen gender, and thus should be allowed to transition free of prejudice.

This is duplication of a certain clause from "protecting gender and sexual minorities"

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New Bremerton wrote:OOC: Sounds good to me, duplication issues aside. It shouldn't matter what region is proposing this. This is the GA, not the SC. The content of the proposal is all that matters to me.


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So, we should trust a pro-choice resolution coming out of Right to Life then? Or a resolution restricting religious discrimination from Auralia? Or a Free Trade resolution coming from me?

Very fair point :eyebrow:
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