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[DRAFT] Creation of an International Criminal Database

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Kontara
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[DRAFT] Creation of an International Criminal Database

Postby Kontara » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:06 pm

Strength: Significant

Understanding that the smuggling of illegal items into and out of territories of member nations harms the economy and people within the territories of such member nation.

Realizing that criminals remain active through their 'career' and cause havoc where they possibly go.

Supporting the fact of an International Database made to track crimes of high profile criminals and other persons of interest.

The World Assembly enacts the following;
Defines a criminal as one whom as committed a felon or crime by definition of member nation.
Further defines of 'High Level Profiles' as those whom may break crimes in various countries
Enforces the laws of member nations as to keep the rates of crime down.
Requires member nation 'Border Patrol Agencies' which protect member nation borders within a [minimum] seventy-five mile radius of border zone to detain and extradite criminals confirmed within such International Database.
Enacts the creation of an International Crime Database for the betterment of International Security.


Strength: Significant

Understanding that the smuggling of illegal items into and out of territories of member nations harms the economy and people within the territories of such member nation.

Realizing that criminals remain active through their 'career' and cause havoc where they possibly go.

Supporting the fact of an International Database made to track crimes of high profile criminals and other persons of interest.

The World Assembly enacts the following;
Defines a criminal as one whom as committed a felon or crime by definition of member nation.
Further defines of 'High Level Profiles' as those whom may break crimes in various countries
Enforces the laws of member nations as to keep the rates of crime down.
Requires member nation 'Border Patrol Agencies' which protect member nation borders within a [minimum] seventy-five mile radius of border zone to detain and extradite criminals confirmed within such International Database.
Enacts the creation of an International Crime Database for the betterment of International Security.


Strength: Significant

Understanding that the smuggling of illegal items into and out of territories of member nations.

Realizing that criminals remain active through their 'career' and cause havoc where they possibly go.

Supporting the fact of an International Database made to track crimes of high profile criminals and other persons of interest.

The World Assembly enacts the following;
Defines a criminal as one whom as committed a felon or crime by definition of member nation.
Further defines of 'High Level Profiles' as those whom may break crimes in various countries
Enforces the laws of member nations as to keep the rates of crime down.
Requires member nation 'Border Patrol Agencies' which protect member nation borders within a [minimum] seventy-five mile radius of border zone to detain and extradite criminals confirmed within such International Database.
Enacts the creation of an International Crime Database for the betterment of International Security.
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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:07 pm

"So...this is an extradition treaty for criminals within a certain distance from a border?"

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Postby Kontara » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:08 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"So...this is an extradition treaty for criminals within a certain distance from a border?"


"In a sense, yes. Criminals who go international are never treated for their proper crimes, and prevent justice from being served. As well, the same crime may be illegal in another area of a Member Nation."

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:11 pm

Kontara wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"So...this is an extradition treaty for criminals within a certain distance from a border?"


"In a sense, yes. Criminals who go international are never treated for their proper crimes, and prevent justice from being served. As well, the same crime may be illegal in another area of a Member Nation."

"Ah. Ok. Opposed. The C.D.S.P. will only extradite to those nations with a criminal justice system that meets our exacting standards."

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Kontara
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Postby Kontara » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:13 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Kontara wrote:
"In a sense, yes. Criminals who go international are never treated for their proper crimes, and prevent justice from being served. As well, the same crime may be illegal in another area of a Member Nation."

"Ah. Ok. Opposed. The C.D.S.P. will only extradite to those nations with a criminal justice system that meets our exacting standards."

"We're merely looking for input before we put this onto the floor for the Assembly. We just merely see this as an addition to International Security."

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:13 pm

Kontara wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ah. Ok. Opposed. The C.D.S.P. will only extradite to those nations with a criminal justice system that meets our exacting standards."

"We're merely looking for input before we put this onto the floor for the Assembly. We just merely see this as an addition to International Security."

"I appreciate that, ambassador. I'm merely signaling my intention to vote against based on the policy point I have raised."

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Postby Orveila » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:31 pm

"Orveila can certainly appreciate an international criminal database that identifies and keeps track of criminals that transcend national borders but we believe our own standards of criminal justice is more than sufficient in determining extradition."
From the Office of The Ambassador of the Federal Republic of Orveila to the World Assembly Ronald A. Ashcroft III

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Kontara
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Postby Kontara » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:38 pm

Orveila wrote:"Orveila can certainly appreciate an international criminal database that identifies and keeps track of criminals that transcend national borders but we believe our own standards of criminal justice is more than sufficient in determining extradition."

"This saves time on whether or not people should be extradited in circumstances of an international criminal, which in this, is defined as a criminal who goes from the nation of which had their laws broken by said person, to another nation."

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:53 pm

OOC: Please lose the centering code, it currently looks like a particularly weird poem, not a proposal draft. >_<

Also, what category?

You should create the thing you use (the database) before you use it. You should define very specifically what kind of information can and can not be recorded in it, how law enforcement of any one nation will actually use it and how they can enforce it (because, like, if someone hops in a plane, do you force the plane to turn back/land somewhere within that distance from the border, or do you use the international airport's customs booth as the starting line for the distance?), because the WA itself can't have police forces, so it can't really "Enforce the laws of member nations", and also, if spitting on the sidewalk is a crime in Nation A but not in Nation B, why should Nation B care about someone doing something that's perfectly legal in their nation?

Definition of criminal seems to count the laws in all member nations, not just the one where the crime was committed.

Also, shouldn't people be detained by police if they're not within the actual border zone, rather than whatever "Border Patrol Agencies" are?

Considering that the WA holds the "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" to be true, is this thing supposed to work on people who ran after the trial, or people who are merely suspected of something?

Also, are "high level profiles" the only people stored in the database, or are the low level profiles too? Also, just because someone may do something, you're not allowed to actually detain them.

And lastly, there are resolutions that talk about extraditing people, read those carefully, because any contraction will mean your proposal won't have a passing chance.
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Postby Hatzisland » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:35 pm

No thanks. An international crime database? What's next, an international fingerprint database? That can be used for international security. We'll pass.
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Postby Maowi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:51 pm

"This proposal is far too sweeping and generic to do any more good than the significant problems it would cause. Unless very major revisions are made, we are firmly against."

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Araraukar wrote:OOC: Please lose the centering code, it currently looks like a particularly weird poem, not a proposal draft. >_<


This, and the grammar needs tidying up.
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:33 am

“What is the intended category for this proposal? Also, lot’s of your clauses don’t make much sense. What is ‘Enforces the laws of member nations as to keep the rates of crime down.’ supposed to mean? Who’s doing the enforcing? Overall, however, the larger concern is that is overly restrictive on member nations and concludes with a violation of sovereignty.”

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:10 am

"This is astonishingly vague for a serious anti-crime proposal, ambassador. As you add the various necessary details, please keep in mind the existing Resolution #147, particularly its emphasis on cases in which a nation must refuse to extradite a suspected criminal. You'd do well to try to narrow the number of criminals subject to cataloguing, the types of crimes required for entry, and that kind of thing. My government is not about to start sending your non-violent drug offenders back to you just because you crazy bastards have a hard-on for prison labor."



OOC: Currently, by not placing any restrictions on the duty to extradite or on what crimes the alleged criminals being sought must be accused of, this proposal is illegal for contradiction of GA Res. 147. If you want to move forward, this needs to be toned down and reigned in.
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