[DRAFT] Repeal "Individual Working Freedoms"

[Desmosthenes and Burke]

OOC: If they're not explicitly tied to a country, I don't see why not. "Pounds" might be difficult because it's so strongly tied to the UK, but the "Spanish dollar" (pieces of eight, hence a U.S. quarter is "two bits") was so widely used that it b came nearly synonymous with "currency" generally. And I do prefer to err on the side of legality if my extremely uptight side can be put down long enough.

OOC: For what it may be worth to any member of GenSec, I have no trouble understanding "culte du dollar" in French media as being a colloquial reference to western materialism in a general sense, regardless of what currency I am actually paying for things with. I hate the phrase for other reasons (namely it being far too encumbered with additional meanings and commentary in my opinion for a legal argument), but I would have never confused UM as referring to literal "dollars" any more than I would confuse "Trojan horse" to be referring to the literal mythological construct used to infiltrate Ilium. Cult of Mammon would seem more problematic to me as an explicitly Abrahamic reference.

I do not support the repeal regardless, but I fail to see any utility in interpreting clearly non-literal language in such a literal way. Though I suppose "Cult of Wealth" or "Cult of Money" or perhaps more accurately "Cult of Avarice" would all work equally well and could not possibly be interpreted as a RL reference.

IC: We have no desire to repeal the target resolution. As the language makes clear to us, the replacement envisaged by the author would further push the WA into the embrace of destructive anti-life ideologies, which we have no interest in abetting.

[Bears Armed]

OOC: If they're not explicitly tied to a country, I don't see why not. "Pounds" might be difficult because it's so strongly tied to the UK, but the "Spanish dollar" (pieces of eight, hence a U.S. quarter is "two bits") was so widely used that it b came nearly synonymous with "currency" generally. And I do prefer to err on the side of legality if my extremely uptight side can be put down long enough.

Well, "dollars" is rarely used as a generic term for currency here in the UK...

[Liberimery]

OOC: If they're not explicitly tied to a country, I don't see why not. "Pounds" might be difficult because it's so strongly tied to the UK, but the "Spanish dollar" (pieces of eight, hence a U.S. quarter is "two bits") was so widely used that it b came nearly synonymous with "currency" generally. And I do prefer to err on the side of legality if my extremely uptight side can be put down long enough.

Well, "dollars" is rarely used as a generic term for currency here in the UK...

Now when we say dollars as a currency, do you mean USD? Or Spanish Dollars? Or Canadian Dollars? Or New Zealand Dollars? Or Australian Dollars (formerly known as the Dollarydoo)? Or Sand Dollars (not a currency per say but an animal)?

[Wallenburg]

Since when did UM become a syndicalist?

[Desmosthenes and Burke]

Since when did UM become a syndicalist?

OOC:
Under the last few Pontiffs, the Holy Mother Church has taken a renewed interest in social justice. His Holiness, Pope Francis has not been remotely shy about not liking successful economic systems (capitalism).

[Bananaistan]

"Opposed. The Bananamen workforce do not require a WA bureaucrat telling when they should and shouldn't work."

OOC: The target is a great blocker of bullshit one size fits nobody working week proposals. I couldn't support its repeal.

[Hatzisland]

Though we somewhat dislike GAR #302, we will vote against this, fearing a socialist like replacement. Our delegation is firmly capitalist, and thinks we should be allowed to decide our own policy.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I agree with Banana on the OOC portion for opposing repeal. There's no room for any regulation beyond 'reasonable for those people' which is broad unto meaningless.

I'd also chime in that I concur with BA and D&B in that a dollar isn't a generic form of currency, but a form of currency which happens to just be all over the place. Under that, we should be permitted to say pounds, because that's not necessarily sterling, in that it could be... the Tuvalu Pound (No idea if that exists). Moreover, francs should be generic too, because it doesn't refer to French francs, but could refer to Luxembourgish or Swiss ones.

The mark should also definitely be on that list, especially since it could be a mark (ie tally) on a piece of paper or a unit of account a la the East German mark. (etc, etc, etc) But on the shekel and history: The Shekel emerged in Ancient Sumer as a unit of account for rations to be distributed to workers. It later became a currency when these were marked into silver for government purchasing, and then traded amongst the populace writ large. See generally, Graeber, Debt: The First 5000 Years (2011).

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Well, trying to replace this one is going to be a disaster and a half. Good luck with that.

[United Massachusetts]

Since when did UM become a syndicalist?

"We are not communists. To clarify our stance, let us turn to the Catechism: 'The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with 'communism' or 'socialism.' She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of 'capitalism,' individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market.' Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.'

We merely seek to satisfy social justice."

Though we somewhat dislike GAR #302, we will vote against this, fearing a socialist like replacement. Our delegation is firmly capitalist, and thinks we should be allowed to decide our own policy.

"I assure you -- our delegation rejects materialist socialism."

[Hatzisland]

Since when did UM become a syndicalist?

"We are not communists. To clarify our stance, let us turn to the Catechism: 'The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with 'communism' or 'socialism.' She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of 'capitalism,' individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market.' Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.'

We merely seek to satisfy social justice."

Though we somewhat dislike GAR #302, we will vote against this, fearing a socialist like replacement. Our delegation is firmly capitalist, and thinks we should be allowed to decide our own policy.

"I assure you -- our delegation rejects materialist socialism."

What would be the replacement then? We have decided to oppose any repeal unless there is a better replacement that appears to have the votes to pass.

[United Massachusetts]

"We are not communists. To clarify our stance, let us turn to the Catechism: 'The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with 'communism' or 'socialism.' She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of 'capitalism,' individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market.' Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.'

We merely seek to satisfy social justice."
"I assure you -- our delegation rejects materialist socialism."

What would be the replacement then? We have decided to oppose any repeal unless there is a better replacement that appears to have the votes to pass.

We understand these concerns and are actively in the process of working on a replacement.

[Hatzisland]

What would be the replacement then? We have decided to oppose any repeal unless there is a better replacement that appears to have the votes to pass.

We understand these concerns and are actively in the process of working on a replacement.

Thank you. We look forward to seeing it.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Since when did UM become a syndicalist?

"We are not communists..."

"You know those aren't the same thing, right?"

"...To clarify our stance, let us turn to the Catechism: '.... "I assure you -- our delegation rejects materialist socialism."

"In spite of this deficiency of motivation, we still look forward to examining any proposed replacement."

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OOC:

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: Would Mammon be acceptable under the real-life reference rule, since it is almost exclusively found tied to Christianity due to the word first appearing, in its modern sense, in the New Testament?)

[Wrapper]

(OOC: Would Mammon be acceptable under the real-life reference rule, since it is almost exclusively found tied to Christianity due to the word first appearing, in its modern sense, in the New Testament?)

It’s in the dictionary as a common noun, so I don’t see why it’s a problem, regardless of its derivation.

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: Would Mammon be acceptable under the real-life reference rule, since it is almost exclusively found tied to Christianity due to the word first appearing, in its modern sense, in the New Testament?)

It’s in the dictionary as a common noun, so I don’t see why it’s a problem, regardless of its derivation.

(OOC: Good point, I didn’t think it would be, but it’s better to clear these things before submission rather than after.)

[United Massachusetts]

Bump. Replacement coming soon.

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: Your first and second clauses would annoy non-human delegations.)

[Attempted Socialism]

"We are supportive of the delegation from United Massachusetts in this endeavour, and look forward for a healthy debate. However, if we may come with a slight encouragement to tone down the preachy language, that would go some way to alleviate the concerns of Socialist and Communist delegations."

[Youssath]

Bump. Replacement coming soon.

OOC: No issues raised. However, as customary in my stance on repeals, I will not support any resolution unless a full draft of the replacement resolution has been established.

[Linux and the X]

Bump. Replacement coming soon.

OOC: No issues raised. However, as customary in my stance on repeals, I will not support any resolution unless a full draft of the replacement resolution has been established.

The language of the repeal does not suggest that replacement is a goal.

[Kenmoria]

OOC: No issues raised. However, as customary in my stance on repeals, I will not support any resolution unless a full draft of the replacement resolution has been established.

The language of the repeal does not suggest that replacement is a goal.

Bump. Replacement coming soon.

(OOC: I don’t think UM agrees.)

[Linux and the X]

The language of the repeal does not suggest that replacement is a goal.

Bump. Replacement coming soon.

(OOC: I don’t think UM agrees.)

Ah, sorry, I interpreted that as a replacement of this text.

[Araraukar]

OOC: How is this not Honest Mistake for not addressing the target resolution's contents rather than ideology?