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[DRAFT] Repeal "Individual Working Freedoms"

Postby United Massachusetts » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:24 pm

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Repeal "Individual Working Freedoms"
Category: Repeal | Target: 302 GA | Proposed by: United Massachusetts

Committed to waging undying war against the poverty, exploitation, and misery of human individuals the world over,

Determined to carry the inextinguishable flame of liberty ever-forward, tearing down the obstacles in its way to the liberation of humanity, and deliver long-awaited justice to all purveyors of human degradation,

Disdaining to conceal the chief agent of this degradation -- a select group of greedy parasites, who, when not enslaving the masses in serfdom, enslave them in debt, long working hours, and humiliating labour practices,

Making the subversive observation that the forces of reaction, egged on by those very same leeches, have hijacked this august Assembly to preserve this, the status quo, in the form of a General Assembly resolution designed for the sole and exclusive purpose of preventing progress on labour rights,

Calling for a comprehensive, carefully-crafted resolution that sets forth a framework for workweek regulation, not based on hours, but rather on the mental and physical health and freedom of the working class,

Calling, furthermore, for an ambitious, comprehensive resolution to establish a system of paid family leave across member states, lest the gospel of mammon, a death cult in itself, rip parents from their children's arms,

Asserting, therefore that so-called "Individual Working Freedoms," for both its misleading title and reactionary contents, ought to be purged from the legal records of this Assembly, and cast aside into the dustbin of history, for it serves no purpose but to halt progress,

Casting aside their chains,

The working class of this most august General Assembly, acting through their respective Delegates, strikes 302 GA, so-called "Individual Working Freedoms" from the records of its laws, rendering it null and void.


When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run,
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun;
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one,
But the union makes us strong.
Solidarity forever,
Solidarity forever,
Solidarity forever,
For the union makes us strong.

Is there aught we hold in common with the greedy parasite,
Who would lash us into serfdom and would crush us with his might?
Is there anything left to us but to organize and fight?
For the union makes us strong.

It is we who plowed the prairies; built the cities where they trade;
Dug the mines and built the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid;
Now we stand outcast and starving midst the wonders we have made;
But the union makes us strong.

All the world that's owned by idle drones is ours and ours alone.
We have laid the wide foundations; built it skyward stone by stone.
It is ours, not to slave in, but to master and to own.
While the union makes us strong.

They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn,
But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel can turn.
We can break their haughty power, gain our freedom when we learn
That the union makes us strong.

In our hands is placed a power greater than their hoarded gold,
Greater than the might of armies, magnified a thousand-fold.
We can bring to birth a new world from the ashes of the old
For the union makes us strong.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:25 pm

Yes, I am open to toning down the language. No, I'm not abandoning this one. No, I'm not a communist. No, I'm not a capitalist.

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"My records show our delegation supported the target resolution when it was first proposed, amid a glut of truly abhorrent and low-quality labor regulation proposals - amongst which some nitpickery, some boss-man perfidy, and some straight up dipshittery. If this institution is truly in a place where it can now produce an improvement upon those poor showings, we'll gladly be rid of this bulwark against the whole universe of work rules, bad and good alike."
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Postby Tinfect » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:04 pm

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Support of course. Don't have time for a break down just yet. Oh, and, absolutely do not tune down the language.
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Postby Iciaros » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:34 pm

(OOC: Apologies for my denseness (density?), but, um, what exactly does the target resolution do? As far as I can tell, it has only one mandatory clause, which is outlawing working time restrictions which ‘do not serve any other purpose’ besides restricting individual liberty. This seems to be a pretty wide exception, since most if not all working time restrictions are in force for other reasons like the health and safety of workers. So I’m not really sure what this clause would even be effective in doing.

There’s probably something I’m missing, but I’m just not smart / awake enough to get it?)
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Postby Kowani » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:37 pm

“Gospel of the dollar?”
Is that wording allowed?
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:50 pm

Iciaros wrote:(OOC: Apologies for my denseness (density?), but, um, what exactly does the target resolution do? As far as I can tell, it has only one mandatory clause, which is outlawing working time restrictions which ‘do not serve any other purpose’ besides restricting individual liberty. This seems to be a pretty wide exception, since most if not all working time restrictions are in force for other reasons like the health and safety of workers. So I’m not really sure what this clause would even be effective in doing.

There’s probably something I’m missing, but I’m just not smart / awake enough to get it?)

In essence, the resolution primarily functions as a blocker to prevent actual WA resolutions surrounding the workweek. It also does specifically rescind regulations that "merely restrict individual liberty." Our primary objection is to the blocker.

Kowani wrote:“Gospel of the dollar?”
Is that wording allowed?

If gospel remains capitalized, it avoids RL references. Now, surely we all know what I'm alluding to here:

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Postby Kowani » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:53 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Iciaros wrote:(OOC: Apologies for my denseness (density?), but, um, what exactly does the target resolution do? As far as I can tell, it has only one mandatory clause, which is outlawing working time restrictions which ‘do not serve any other purpose’ besides restricting individual liberty. This seems to be a pretty wide exception, since most if not all working time restrictions are in force for other reasons like the health and safety of workers. So I’m not really sure what this clause would even be effective in doing.

There’s probably something I’m missing, but I’m just not smart / awake enough to get it?)

In essence, the resolution primarily functions as a blocker to prevent actual WA resolutions surrounding the workweek. It also does specifically rescind regulations that "merely restrict individual liberty." Our primary objection is to the blocker.

Kowani wrote:“Gospel of the dollar?”
Is that wording allowed?

If gospel remains capitalized, it avoids RL references. Now, surely we all know what I'm alluding to here:

No man can serve two masters: for either he
will hate the one, and love the other; or else
he will hold to the one, and despise the other,
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

You see, as much as I prefer the wording “The God of Money”, if that’s legal, I’m not gonna complain.
Otherwise, support all the way.
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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:25 am

“The arguements you have presented are very good, and I like the length of the sentences. However, I find employee rights to be an issue for member nations to decide, not the WA, since there is rarely international utility in restricting a farm shop’s hours of opening. Also, I have a fond spot for Mammon.”
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:15 am

So what do you want to pass with the blocker removed?

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Postby Kranostav » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:21 am

Language is a bit strong imo. Also the WA adopting this as a 'hallowed' effort seems weird to me.

Any word on who or what will be replacing this?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:24 am

Kranostav wrote:Language is a bit strong imo. Also the WA adopting this as a 'hallowed' effort seems weird to me.

Any word on who or what will be replacing this?

"Something vaguely socialist, from the looks of the repeal. And something unnecessarily preachy, I imagine."

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Separatist Peoples wrote:
Kranostav wrote:Language is a bit strong imo. Also the WA adopting this as a 'hallowed' effort seems weird to me.

Any word on who or what will be replacing this?

"Something vaguely socialist, from the looks of the repeal. And something unnecessarily preachy, I imagine."

"Seem about right. Seeing that proposals are from the WA's POV, it might be best to avoid use of religious or spiritual language. Regardless I don't hate a repeal but I lack faith in a solid replacement."
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:56 am

Kenmoria wrote:“The arguements you have presented are very good, and I like the length of the sentences. However, I find employee rights to be an issue for member nations to decide, not the WA, since there is rarely international utility in restricting a farm shop’s hours of opening. Also, I have a fond spot for Mammon.”

"Our delegation is not imagining any resolution that would establish a framework based on worker health and sanity. We are thinking about how to do that, and would appreciate assistance, but think that repeal is a strong first step."
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Kranostav wrote:Language is a bit strong imo. Also the WA adopting this as a 'hallowed' effort seems weird to me.

Any word on who or what will be replacing this?

"Something vaguely socialist, from the looks of the repeal. And something unnecessarily preachy, I imagine."

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:So what do you want to pass with the blocker removed?

"This is forthcoming, but I'm generally of the 'repeal now; replace later' attitude with this specific resolution. It doesn't really serve a purpose other than to frustrate future efforts. Having said that, if this Assembly would prefer a replacement drafted before a repeal is passed (which I don't see a good reason for, frankly), I can work on one."
Kranostav wrote:Language is a bit strong imo. Also the WA adopting this as a 'hallowed' effort seems weird to me.

Any word on who or what will be replacing this?

"There are certain things that come with a resolution from this delegation. Strong language is one of them. I said I would be open to toning down the language if you so desire, but surely you do not, comrade?"

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Separatist Peoples wrote:"Something vaguely socialist, from the looks of the repeal. And something unnecessarily preachy, I imagine."

"Seem about right. Seeing that proposals are from the WA's POV, it might be best to avoid use of religious or spiritual language. Regardless I don't hate a repeal but I lack faith in a solid replacement."

"There is no reference to faith here. The word gospel can be and is used here in an overtly non-religious sense, to refer to any dogmatically-accepted ideology or theory."

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United Massachusetts wrote:snippity snip snip

I was more referring to the 'Hallowed' battle line. Seems a little Deus Vulty.

And again echoing my desire for some sort of battle plan (not sorry. Totally intentional pun) as to how to go about replacing. Or at least what you have in mind.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:09 am

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United Massachusetts wrote:snippity snip snip

I was more referring to the 'Hallowed' battle line. Seems a little Deus Vulty.

And again echoing my desire for some sort of battle plan (not sorry. Totally intentional pun) as to how to go about replacing. Or at least what you have in mind.

"Sure. This is fair. I can remove that if you'd like. As for the battle plan (which is what I will call it from here on out), I'm imaging that we require nations to enact workweek laws strong enough to allow workers adequate time for family care, adult education, and leisure, such that their working conditions do not pose a medically verifiable danger to mental or physical health. How they go about doing this is of little concern to me. The tricky thing is establishing a meaningful framework here, but I'm quite confident that it can be done, and I'd be willing to work with anyone on a replacement."

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Kowani wrote:“Gospel of the dollar?”
Is that wording allowed?
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:13 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Kowani wrote:“Gospel of the dollar?”
Is that wording allowed?
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I'd be inclined to say 'No'. [one-sixth of GenSec].

OOC: RL reference? Even if gospel remains uncapitalised?

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United Massachusetts wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC
I'd be inclined to say 'No'. [one-sixth of GenSec].

OOC: RL reference? Even if gospel remains uncapitalised?

OOC: "dollar" itself is a RL Reference... or, if you mean the 'dollar' used as currency in some specific NS nation, it's Meta-gaming.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:18 am

Bears Armed wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:OOC: RL reference? Even if gospel remains uncapitalised?

OOC: "dollar" itself is a RL Reference... or, if you mean the 'dollar' used as currency in some specific NS nation, it's Meta-gaming.

OOC: Ah, I see. Will replace.

"The gospel of mammon, a death cult in itself" :p
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:29 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Kowani wrote:“Gospel of the dollar?”
Is that wording allowed?
OOC
I'd be inclined to say 'No'. [one-sixth of GenSec].


OOC: It looks like a pretty generic term to me. I don't see any sources claiming it as an adversary with defined characteristics, specified supporters, etc. but more of a general mindset to watch out for. I would say legal.
[/Different 1/6]


OOC: Right, "dollar" and not "gospel" is what's seen as the RL reference all along. I obviously knew that! Umm, so I still don't think that makes it. "Dollar" without any national modifier is simply a generic word for a unit of currency, especially in this context, where if UMass has affixed the adjective "almighty" in front of "dollar" this wouldn't even be a question. Generally "dollar" is similar to the use of e.g. "ducats" in Shakespeare and hip hop music, which UMass is emulating here.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:33 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC
I'd be inclined to say 'No'. [one-sixth of GenSec].


OOC: It looks like a pretty generic term to me. I don't see any sources claiming it as an adversary with defined characteristics, specified supporters, etc. but more of a general mindset to watch out for. I would say legal.
[/Different 1/6]


OOC: Right, "dollar" and not "gospel" is what's seen as the RL reference all along. I obviously knew that! Umm, so I still don't think that makes it. "Dollar" without any national modifier is simply a generic word for a unit of currency, especially in this context, where if UMass has affixed the adjective "almighty" in front of "dollar" this wouldn't even be a question. Generally "dollar" is similar to the use of e.g. "ducats" in Shakespeare and hip hop music, which UMass is emulating here.

Legal.

This was my understanding. I can certainly use "almighty dollar."

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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:49 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC
I'd be inclined to say 'No'. [one-sixth of GenSec].


OOC: It looks like a pretty generic term to me. I don't see any sources claiming it as an adversary with defined characteristics, specified supporters, etc. but more of a general mindset to watch out for. I would say legal.
[/Different 1/6]


OOC: Right, "dollar" and not "gospel" is what's seen as the RL reference all along. I obviously knew that! Umm, so I still don't think that makes it. "Dollar" without any national modifier is simply a generic word for a unit of currency, especially in this context, where if UMass has affixed the adjective "almighty" in front of "dollar" this wouldn't even be a question. Generally "dollar" is similar to the use of e.g. "ducats" in Shakespeare and hip hop music, which UMass is emulating here.

Legal.

OOC
Proposals have certainly been declared illegal for this reason in the past, and not only by me.
Would you accept the use of any other RL currency terms on the same basis? Pounds, francs, roubles, marks, shillings, pieces-of-eight? "Shekels", for example, certainly has (because of its biblical use?) the same colloquial connotation...
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:17 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
OOC: It looks like a pretty generic term to me. I don't see any sources claiming it as an adversary with defined characteristics, specified supporters, etc. but more of a general mindset to watch out for. I would say legal.
[/Different 1/6]


OOC: Right, "dollar" and not "gospel" is what's seen as the RL reference all along. I obviously knew that! Umm, so I still don't think that makes it. "Dollar" without any national modifier is simply a generic word for a unit of currency, especially in this context, where if UMass has affixed the adjective "almighty" in front of "dollar" this wouldn't even be a question. Generally "dollar" is similar to the use of e.g. "ducats" in Shakespeare and hip hop music, which UMass is emulating here.

Legal.

OOC
Proposals have certainly been declared illegal for this reason in the past, and not only by me.
Would you accept the use of any other RL currency terms on the same basis? Pounds, francs, roubles, marks, shillings, pieces-of-eight? "Shekels", for example, certainly has (because of its biblical use?) the same colloquial connotation...


OOC: If they're not explicitly tied to a country, I don't see why not. "Pounds" might be difficult because it's so strongly tied to the UK, but the "Spanish dollar" (pieces of eight, hence a U.S. quarter is "two bits") was so widely used that it b came nearly synonymous with "currency" generally. And I do prefer to err on the side of legality if my extremely uptight side can be put down long enough. :)
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