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The New Nordic Union
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Founded: Jul 08, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The New Nordic Union » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:55 am

ENGRWGB wrote:I checked the dictionary, encyclopedia, our calendar and even the NASA's calendar - Saturday is the seventh day of the week.


OOC: Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#Week_numbering and ISO 8601 for RL reference. Internationally, it is Sunday, while some countries may not hold onto this.

However, neither of this has any bearing on NS nations.
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Bears Armed
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:09 am

Wallenburg wrote:Sunday is the 7th day of the week.
OOC
Not if this passes.

Presumably any nations that currently use six-day (or even five-day) weeks would have to change to a seven-day week, with Saturday added as the seventh day, if this passes...
Even in RL, seven days has not always been standard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#Defi ... d_duration), for example the 'Revolutionary' government in France tried to introduce a ten-day week.
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Imperium Anglorum
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:06 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Sunday is the 7th day of the week.
OOC
Not if this passes.

Presumably any nations that currently use six-day (or even five-day) weeks would have to change to a seven-day week, with Saturday added as the seventh day, if this passes...
Even in RL, seven days has not always been standard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#Defi ... d_duration), for example the 'Revolutionary' government in France tried to introduce a ten-day week.

The correct length.

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BlackLight Covenant
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Democratic Socialists

Postby BlackLight Covenant » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:33 am

"I don't think it would be remotely possible for us to actually comply with this proposal should it ever pass through the Assembly somehow. We might be advanced, and while I'm sure we could do it in theory, it's probably not going to be practical to change the orbit and rotation speed of every single one of our planets that doesn't have the luck of being somewhat in line with the local flow of time on your world, ambassador. Don't get me wrong, we comply with this Assembly's rules whether we like them or not, but I suspect that none of our conglomerates would be willing to bankrupt themselves over this one."
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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:51 am

ENGRWGB wrote:I checked the dictionary, encyclopedia, our calendar and even the NASA's calendar - Saturday is the seventh day of the week.

OOC: Let me guess, all of them being American (or possibly British) sources? :P
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Falcania
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Anarchy

Postby Falcania » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:55 am

((There's around a 21 million year uncertainty for the exact age of the universe so unfortunately we have no real way of knowing on which day the big bang happened. My money's on a Tuesday personally. Which would make Monday the 7th day of the week. Clearly we need to increase international science funding to find out exactly which day of the week the universe started, and then we'll know for sure what the seventh day is))
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Araraukar
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:09 am

Falcania wrote:((Which would make Monday the 7th day of the week.))

OOC: That would explain why people often feel so crappy on Mondays; they're all tired out by the week preceding it. :P
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Falcania
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Anarchy

Postby Falcania » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:11 am

Araraukar wrote:
Falcania wrote:((Which would make Monday the 7th day of the week.))

OOC: That would explain why people often feel so crappy on Mondays; they're all tired out by the week preceding it. :P


((This guy gets it. We gotta approach the problem scientifically.))
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Liberimery
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Founded: May 27, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Liberimery » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:46 am

Falcania wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: That would explain why people often feel so crappy on Mondays; they're all tired out by the week preceding it. :P


((This guy gets it. We gotta approach the problem scientifically.))


Unless it happened in a leap year.

Also everyone who saves 15% or more on car insurance know that camels are happiest on Hump day and also happiest on Wednesdays which supports a 5 day work week and a 7 day week beginning on a Monday and Sunday respectively. Have you ever heard of a happy camel on a Friday? While they're down right buzz kills on a Fridays.

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The First German Order
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby The First German Order » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:24 am

OOC: What if one day isn’t 24 hours for some people? What if one day for a nation is one Earth year long? What if some nations don’t even have hours? This seems like an unsalvageable, unnecessary proposal.
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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:16 am

The First German Order wrote:OOC: What if one day isn’t 24 hours for some people?

OOC: One of my puppet accounts actually is situated on a tidally locked planet in a binary system. The planet always has the same side (minus slight wobble not unlike RL Moon) towards the star it orbits, so if that's taken as the star from which days are counted, one day is probably millions of years. The other star creates a light/dark cycle, but the length of that day (from sunrise to sunrise) is a few RL weeks long. The individual Tikrr (they're the sapient lifeforms of the planet) have sleep cycles varying from 30 to 42 RL hours, so even if you wanted to set up a day that was shorter than the light/dark cycle, you'd be hard-pressed to get them to agree to it. I haven't posted on the acc on this topic, because their ambassador would find this to be incomprehensible nonsense exactly because of "day" being so weird a concept to them.
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Bears Armed
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:07 am

OOC
It is presumed that any units of measurement used in submitted proposals are converted appropriately by WA staff in the copies given to each member nations' diplomats, just as languages used (because the restriction to English is only an OOC rule) are translated as necessary.
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Wallenburg
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Wallenburg » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:19 am

Bears Armed wrote:OOC
It is presumed that any units of measurement used in submitted proposals are converted appropriately by WA staff in the copies given to each member nations' diplomats, just as languages used (because the restriction to English is only an OOC rule) are translated as necessary.

This isn't a matter of units of measurement. This proposal as currently written depends on a specific calendar that cannot be "translated" to other planets without all sorts of problems. Wallenburg, for instance, with 31.5 hour days and 0.92 Earth year years, and no concept of weeks to speak of, would be unable to comply with this resolution without adopting the Gregorian calendar, totally rebuilding society to operate around it, ignoring the clear issues that would cause due to its incompatibility with the natural environment, and addressing the complications that necessarily arise from constant interaction with neighbor states that do not make such a transition.

Also, clause 4 seems to prohibit incarceration during this "rest day", which will be a logistical nightmare for any nation with a non-trivial prison population.

Also also, this is still illegal for branding.
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Bears Armed
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:24 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC
It is presumed that any units of measurement used in submitted proposals are converted appropriately by WA staff in the copies given to each member nations' diplomats, just as languages used (because the restriction to English is only an OOC rule) are translated as necessary.

This isn't a matter of units of measurement. This proposal as currently written depends on a specific calendar that cannot be "translated" to other planets without all sorts of problems. Wallenburg, for instance, with 31.5 hour days and 0.92 Earth year years, and no concept of weeks to speak of, would be unable to comply with this resolution without adopting the Gregorian calendar,

Translation as "every seventh period of 24 hours duration" -- with "hours" also converted if necessary -- might work without requiring a new calendar as such, although admittedly some of these problems
totally rebuilding society to operate around it, ignoring the clear issues that would cause due to its incompatibility with the natural environment, and addressing the complications that necessarily arise from constant interaction with neighbor states that do not make such a transition.
would still apply.
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The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Kyoki Chudoku
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Kyoki Chudoku » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:54 am

Tokiko entered the room with a smile- not because she was particularly happy, but because she suspected her choice here wouldn’t be as controversial as usual. ”With all due respect, this proposal oversimplifies the issue enormously. Aside from the exotic extraterrestrial examples, lemme explain somethin’ important. Different jobs have different work days. You’re not gonna expect soldiers to stop fightin’ just cause it’s the weekend, are you? What about medical professionals who are on call whenever an emergency happens? Heck, I know this is a minor thing, but Sunday’s the last day of the week in Kyoki Chudoku, not Saturday. Also, why should rest days be explicitly designated for family bonding? For some people, that’s precisely the opposite of rest. Overall, while I get the idea of it, this proposal is ludicrously impractical when you get down to it.”
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Morover
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Founded: Oct 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Morover » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:40 pm

OOC: I may be pushing it, but I believe that the proposal, as stands, would be illegal, due to it mentioning both saturday and a seven-day week, which would make it be referencing the real world. Your backing of this wording proves my point. However, if you change it, it becomes infeasible to nations which have substantially longer days than "Earth" days, as well as being an almost-moot point for nations with very short days.

IC: "This will never pass, as it is too micromanage-y. Additionally, it contradicts GAR#302. If you're concerned about the rights of workers, I'd recommend reading GAR#43, which I feel covers the rights of laborers far better than any other resolution could."
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Aclion
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Ex-Nation

Postby Aclion » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:45 pm

WHEREAS, the residents, the home owners, visitors, and the people in general of different nations in all regions lacks quality time, bonding and fellowship with their families and loved ones

Speak for yourself. Full time workweek here is 32 hours.
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Kenmoria
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Kenmoria » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:52 am

Morover wrote:OOC: I may be pushing it, but I believe that the proposal, as stands, would be illegal, due to it mentioning both saturday and a seven-day week, which would make it be referencing the real world. Your backing of this wording proves my point. However, if you change it, it becomes infeasible to nations which have substantially longer days than "Earth" days, as well as being an almost-moot point for nations with very short days.

IC: "This will never pass, as it is too micromanage-y. Additionally, it contradicts GAR#302. If you're concerned about the rights of workers, I'd recommend reading GAR#43, which I feel covers the rights of laborers far better than any other resolution could."

(OOC: That isn’t illegal, though it is ill-advised, as it is assumed that the WA automatically converts units of measurement into every nation’s language and existing systems.)
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