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[DRAFT] Rest Day

Postby ENGRWGB » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:48 am

I'm planning to have a proposal of resolution. How about this one? Can you give me the support?

Title: Rest Day

The World Assembly;

The undersigned being a member of The World Assembly, hereby sign this resolution:

WHEREAS, the residents, home owners, visitors and the people in general of different nations in all regions are busy working hard, doing businesses and earthly toil; and

WHEREAS, the residents, the home owners, visitors, and the people in general of different nations in all regions lacks quality time, bonding and fellowship with their families and loved ones; and

WHEREAS, it was observed that the residents, the home owners, visitors and the people in general of different nations in all regions became less productive and sickly due to lack of rest.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that The World Assembly recognizes these tools to promote civility, health, family relations, productivity in the work place and their spiritual aspect in life.

The tools include:
1. Allow the residents, the home owners, visitors and the people in general in all nations in different regions to have a quality time, bond and fellowship with their families and loved ones.
2. Allow the residents, home owners, visitors and the people in general in all nations of different regions to rest at least 24 hours or one (1) whole day.
3. Allow that the day of rest would be the seventh (7th) day of the week, which is Saturday.
4. Allow the residents, home owners, visitors and the people in general in all nations in different regions to spend the quality time, bonding and fellowshipping with their family and loved ones at their house, nature or church.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the general public, including the government and private sectors would recognize and respect those who want to observe this day of rest.

Signed:
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Postby Tinfect » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:17 am

"First of all, Ambassador, what is saturday?" said Feren, who rather looked like he'd barely gotten out of bed, "Is this another arbitrary fragmentation of the year? The Imperium has no desire to involve itself in this foreign silliness. If you will excuse my bluntness.

In any case, this draft is largely incoherent, unneeded, and unwanted, quite far from an issue of international import. The Imperium has no desire to be required to enforce a foreign holiday, and certainly not one with 'spiritual aspect'. In short, we are opposed entirely."
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:19 am

(OOC: First off, welcome to the General Assembly, and well done for not just posting this draft immediately to the GA, and instead forum drafting. There is one illegality, namely that you have included the last line which breaks the branding rule. However, it could be that this isn’t part of the proposal, in which case this is perfectly legal.

However, a lot of players, me included, won’t like this as it is very micromanaging. The GA deals with broad international issues and human rights, not individual holidays from work. As such, I don’t believe this is a good topic to address. I do though urge you to come back later, maybe after spending some time in the forums, with a different idea.)
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Postby Barfleur » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:51 am

Ambassador McGeorge stands up. "Ambasador," he begins, "in Barfleur, the entire weekend in considered a period for rest. We admire your proposal, but it would make no difference to our nation."
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Postby ENGRWGB » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:35 am

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: First off, welcome to the General Assembly, and well done for not just posting this draft immediately to the GA, and instead forum drafting. There is one illegality, namely that you have included the last line which breaks the branding rule. However, it could be that this isn’t part of the proposal, in which case this is perfectly legal.

However, a lot of players, me included, won’t like this as it is very micromanaging. The GA deals with broad international issues and human rights, not individual holidays from work. As such, I don’t believe this is a good topic to address. I do though urge you to come back later, maybe after spending some time in the forums, with a different idea.)


Thank you for the welcome. May I ask what line makes it illegal?

I think this is not micromanaging because this is not compulsory. Only those who want to rest during Saturday is covered by this resolution, and as such should be respected by their employer and even by the general public.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:41 am

OOC: Not all nations use a seven day week, nor do they use the same names for the days.
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Postby ENGRWGB » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:45 am

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Not all nations use a seven day week, nor do they use the same names for the days.

Maybe I could change it to any day of the week?

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:46 am

ENGRWGB wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Not all nations use a seven day week, nor do they use the same names for the days.

Maybe I could change it to any day of the week?

OOC: To be honest the draft as a whole looks unsalvageable.
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Postby New Sukberia » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:48 am

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Not all nations use a seven day week, nor do they use the same names for the days.

Our days for instance have 49 hours! But i'm not in the WA so whatever
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Postby Maowi » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:53 am

Why exactly is this necessary as WA legislation?
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Postby ENGRWGB » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:55 am

Maowi wrote:Why exactly is this necessary as WA legislation?

It is stipulated in my proposal as to why.

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:56 am

ENGRWGB wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: First off, welcome to the General Assembly, and well done for not just posting this draft immediately to the GA, and instead forum drafting. There is one illegality, namely that you have included the last line which breaks the branding rule. However, it could be that this isn’t part of the proposal, in which case this is perfectly legal.

However, a lot of players, me included, won’t like this as it is very micromanaging. The GA deals with broad international issues and human rights, not individual holidays from work. As such, I don’t believe this is a good topic to address. I do though urge you to come back later, maybe after spending some time in the forums, with a different idea.)


Thank you for the welcome. May I ask what line makes it illegal?

I think this is not micromanaging because this is not compulsory. Only those who want to rest during Saturday is covered by this resolution, and as such should be respected by their employer and even by the general public.

(OOC: It is the last line that makes this illegal. The branding rule declares that no member nations or regions can be mentioned in a proposal, so having a ‘signed’ line at the bottom isn’t allowed.

I do disagree with you in that this very much is micromanaging. In general, the GA should only interfere when there is a human right at play, or some international utility; individual employees aren’t entities crossing country borders, nor is there a fundamental right to a day of rest.)
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Postby ENGRWGB » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:57 am

New Sukberia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Not all nations use a seven day week, nor do they use the same names for the days.

Our days for instance have 49 hours! But i'm not in the WA so whatever


Therefore this proposal is only for those who have 7 days in a week and has 24 hours in a day.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:01 pm

ENGRWGB wrote:
New Sukberia wrote:Our days for instance have 49 hours! But i'm not in the WA so whatever


Therefore this proposal is only for those who have 7 days in a week and has 24 hours in a day.


From the Rules and Guidelines, which you should read and comprehend before proceeding.
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Postby ENGRWGB » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:04 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
ENGRWGB wrote:
Thank you for the welcome. May I ask what line makes it illegal?

I think this is not micromanaging because this is not compulsory. Only those who want to rest during Saturday is covered by this resolution, and as such should be respected by their employer and even by the general public.

(OOC: It is the last line that makes this illegal. The branding rule declares that no member nations or regions can be mentioned in a proposal, so having a ‘signed’ line at the bottom isn’t allowed.

I do disagree with you in that this very much is micromanaging. In general, the GA should only interfere when there is a human right at play, or some international utility; individual employees aren’t entities crossing country borders, nor is there a fundamental right to a day of rest.)


I could remove the last line that makes this proposal illegal, maybe I can still push through this proposal? And see if this will be approved?

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Postby Maowi » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:11 pm

ENGRWGB wrote:
Maowi wrote:Why exactly is this necessary as WA legislation?

It is stipulated in my proposal as to why.


There is nothing in there that justifies this being an international issue. It is in companies' interests, anyway, to have productive workers who are not kept toiling away without cease, so this topic does not need micromanaging regulation.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:12 pm

ENGRWGB wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: It is the last line that makes this illegal. The branding rule declares that no member nations or regions can be mentioned in a proposal, so having a ‘signed’ line at the bottom isn’t allowed.

I do disagree with you in that this very much is micromanaging. In general, the GA should only interfere when there is a human right at play, or some international utility; individual employees aren’t entities crossing country borders, nor is there a fundamental right to a day of rest.)


I could remove the last line that makes this proposal illegal, maybe I can still push through this proposal? And see if this will be approved?

(OOC: With the last line removed this will, I believe, be legal. However, legal does not necessarily equate to good, and I agree with the opinions of several players posting here that this simply isn’t a good issue to tackle within a GA proposal.

If you submit this, it might garner one or two approvals, but won’t make it anywhere near the eighty-one required for it to go to vote. Besides, every proposal needs a drafting period of well over a day, regardless of its subject matter or author.)
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:42 pm

Sunday is the 7th day of the week.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:14 pm

ENGRWGB wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: First off, welcome to the General Assembly, and well done for not just posting this draft immediately to the GA, and instead forum drafting. There is one illegality, namely that you have included the last line which breaks the branding rule. However, it could be that this isn’t part of the proposal, in which case this is perfectly legal.

However, a lot of players, me included, won’t like this as it is very micromanaging. The GA deals with broad international issues and human rights, not individual holidays from work. As such, I don’t believe this is a good topic to address. I do though urge you to come back later, maybe after spending some time in the forums, with a different idea.)


Thank you for the welcome. May I ask what line makes it illegal?

I think this is not micromanaging because this is not compulsory. Only those who want to rest during Saturday is covered by this resolution, and as such should be respected by their employer and even by the general public.

Anything that breaks these rules is illegal
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:37 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Sunday is the 7th day of the week.

OOC: ^This.

Just as a random OOC aside, the names of days in Finnish:

Maanantai
Tiistai
Keskiviikko
Torstai
Perjantai
Lauantai
Sunnuntai

As you can probably see, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday are pretty similar as names for the days of the week (they came into Finnish use from Swedish), but the "tai" ending doesn't equal "day" (which is "päivä", for the reference). Also, keskiviikko (day names aren't capitalized in Finnish) literally means "middle-week". Where perjantai and lauantai come from, linguistically, I've no idea, just that for most Finns these days lauantai is a much holier day than sunnuntai (church services are held are on Sunday morning), because that evening is pretty much the evening for going to sauna, and most people, even though they belong to the Lutheran church, just don't go to church services. Just some random cultural knowledge. :lol:
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:01 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Sunday is the 7th day of the week.

OOC: ^This.

Just as a random OOC aside, the names of days in Finnish:

Maanantai
Tiistai
Keskiviikko
Torstai
Perjantai
Lauantai
Sunnuntai

As you can probably see, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday are pretty similar as names for the days of the week (they came into Finnish use from Swedish), but the "tai" ending doesn't equal "day" (which is "päivä", for the reference). Also, keskiviikko (day names aren't capitalized in Finnish) literally means "middle-week". Where perjantai and lauantai come from, linguistically, I've no idea, just that for most Finns these days lauantai is a much holier day than sunnuntai (church services are held are on Sunday morning), because that evening is pretty much the evening for going to sauna, and most people, even though they belong to the Lutheran church, just don't go to church services. Just some random cultural knowledge. :lol:

OOC:I'm learning German and they also have a day called "Mittwoch" (Wednesday) which literally means middle week.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:43 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:I'm learning German and they also have a day called "Mittwoch" (Wednesday) which literally means middle week.

OOC: I got curious and looked it up, Finnish gets it from German (the official Finnish language was basically artificially constructed, so a lot of things were borrowed from other languages, only translated or made to sound more local). :D
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Postby Hatzisland » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:34 pm

This plan seems very incoherent. I recommend an overall of its layout. You can probably find that delegates will soon post in-depth complaints and recommend changes. However, I have a decisive recommendation. I would like you to chance the "Rest Day" from Saturday to Sunday. Then, we will support.

OOC: Honestly, I think this whole idea is ridiculous and will never pass. However, the Ambassador insists that if this proposal is passed, then "happiness levels and religiousness" would skyrocket. He may support it, but I personally don't like it, especially as an international resolution.

Wallenburg wrote:Sunday is the 7th day of the week.


OOC: You are correct.
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Postby ENGRWGB » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:09 pm

I checked the dictionary, encyclopedia, our calendar and even the NASA's calendar - Saturday is the seventh day of the week.

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Postby Liberimery » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:44 pm

ENGRWGB wrote:I checked the dictionary, encyclopedia, our calendar and even the NASA's calendar - Saturday is the seventh day of the week.



The confusion comes from the Abrahamic influences on the day of rest, aka the Sabbath. Jews and certain Christian sects use Saturday (hence the name 7th Day Adventists, which hold Saturday Sabbath). The vast majority of Christians use Sunday which corresponds with the traditional day of the week Jesus rose from the dead. Muslims use Friday (I think... I don't recall why).

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