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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:44 am

Wallenburg wrote:
The Canadian Republic Colonies wrote:In full support minus one issue. Under the section about a minor Guardianship does not necessarily include adopted parents. The term "biological parents" can be exclusive of members of society with adopted parents or same sex parents. The ambiguity of this should be replaced with something along the lines of "biological parents or other legally designated parents" or another way of putting it, "biological or adoptive parents" .

This is in relation to a term known as PAL or Positive Adoption Language in law.

Adoptive parents, as I understand it, qualify as legal guardians.

EDIT: Nope, I was wrong. This indeed should be edited.

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Newciv is deeply concerned by the lack of enthusiasm among members of the assembly on what is truly an important issue.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:56 am

Newciv wrote:Newciv is deeply concerned by the lack of enthusiasm among members of the assembly on what is truly an important issue.

"We will try to fix every loophole and ambiguity this time before submitting"
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:11 pm

OOC: Don't hurry to resubmit, but when you do, consider sending the TG at minimum to 300-400 delegates (doable manually, just takes some time), preferably 500+ to get the necessary endorsements, because not everyone you TG will be online for the three days the proposal stays on the list, not everyone will agree with your arguments, so the lower the percentage needed (that is, the higher the number of people you TG) for people to be online and agree with your arguments is, the better it is for you. That's why the automated TG program and the stamps are so effective.

Just remember to mark the TGs as campaign ones.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:18 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Don't hurry to resubmit, but when you do, consider sending the TG at minimum to 300-400 delegates (doable manually, just takes some time), preferably 500+ to get the necessary endorsements, because not everyone you TG will be online for the three days the proposal stays on the list, not everyone will agree with your arguments, so the lower the percentage needed (that is, the higher the number of people you TG) for people to be online and agree with your arguments is, the better it is for you. That's why the automated TG program and the stamps are so effective.

Just remember to mark the TGs as campaign ones.

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Further notes: You can send one single TG to up to eight targets at once, instead of having to wait the necessary interval each time to contact each of them individually.
Looking at which delegates who've approved other proposals, particularly delegates who've approved proposals in the same category, can give you an idea about which ones it's most worth contacting.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:43 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Don't hurry to resubmit, but when you do, consider sending the TG at minimum to 300-400 delegates (doable manually, just takes some time), preferably 500+ to get the necessary endorsements, because not everyone you TG will be online for the three days the proposal stays on the list, not everyone will agree with your arguments, so the lower the percentage needed (that is, the higher the number of people you TG) for people to be online and agree with your arguments is, the better it is for you. That's why the automated TG program and the stamps are so effective.

Just remember to mark the TGs as campaign ones.

OOC
Further notes: You can send one single TG to up to eight targets at once, instead of having to wait the necessary interval each time to contact each of them individually.
Looking at which delegates who've approved other proposals, particularly delegates who've approved proposals in the same category, can give you an idea about which ones it's most worth contacting.

OOC: I forgot that you can send TGs to 8 people at once, that saves up a LOT of time.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:43 am

The time you have to wait on manual campaign increases when you send a telegram to more than one person.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:07 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:The time you have to wait on manual campaign increases when you send a telegram to more than one person.

It's 30 secs for one person, how much is it for 8?
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:10 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:The time you have to wait on manual campaign increases when you send a telegram to more than one person.

It's 30 secs for one person, how much is it for 8?

OOC: It's not 8 times 30 seconds in any case.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:26 pm

It's definitely not 30 seconds for one person. It's 30 seconds on the API.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:20 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:It's definitely not 30 seconds for one person. It's 30 seconds on the API.

Alright
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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:53 pm

"It seems like this proposal has been completed, we wish to submit it tomorrow because it has a higher chance of being approved over the weekend"
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Postby Bananaistan » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:27 pm

OOC: I see that many of my earlier criticism were overlooked. But even so I'll weigh in again.

Data protection is a complex area. This is far too simplistic (and would completely hamstring taxation authorities). I recommend significant redrafting after research on the RL topic.
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Postby Hatzisland » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:00 pm

Bananaistan wrote:OOC: I see that many of my earlier criticism were overlooked. But even so I'll weigh in again.

Data protection is a complex area. This is far too simplistic (and would completely hamstring taxation authorities). I recommend significant redrafting after research on the RL topic.


OOC: Though I agree, I think Germany is correct in holding their core beliefs that privacy should be protected. I do think an exclusion should be given to the authorities(to a very limited extent) but other than that, this has my support.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:31 am

Bananaistan wrote:OOC: I see that many of my earlier criticism were overlooked. But even so I'll weigh in again.

Data protection is a complex area. This is far too simplistic (and would completely hamstring taxation authorities). I recommend significant redrafting after research on the RL topic.

I don't want this proposal to be too overreaching or too underreaching; however I will relook your feedback and try to make the necessary changes
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:41 am

Bananaistan wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:
On Data Protection

Category: Regulation

Area of Effect: Customer Protection

Proposed by:Marxist Germany




The World Assembly,

Appalled by the lack of a resolution regarding data protection;

Believing that businesses should not be able to collect data from its users without the explicit consent of that user;

Noting that minors are not fully mentally developed and are not capable of taking decisions on their own without the help of their guardians;


Hereby,

    1. Defines the following for the purpose of this resolution:
      a. A "Minor" as any sapient being under the age of majority;
      b. A "Guardian" as a biological parent and/or legal guardian of a minor;
      c. "Personal Data" as any data that can be used to identify a sapient individual;


    2. Prohibits:
      a. Businesses from collecting data from any minor without the explicit consent of their guardian;
      b. Businesses from using personal data collected from a user to cause harm or distress to the user the data belongs to;
      c. Governments from viewing the data without explicit prior consent from both the business holding the data and the user that the data belongs to except when the information is needed for a trial;


    3. Mandates that:
      a. Businesses provide explicit information on how they will handle a person's data;
      b. Businesses enable users to view the data that the said business holds on them;
      c. Personal data processed for any purpose or purposes shall not be kept for longer than is necessary for that purpose or those purposes;
      d. The data collected only used in a way that is adequate, relevant and limited to only what is necessary;
      e. Businesses allow users to delete their data from the storage of the corporation completely;


    4. Grants any person the right to sue a business/government that doesn't follow the boundaries established in this resolution in an appropriate domestic court and to receive appropriate equitable relief from that tribunal;

    5. Encourages member states to enact stricter laws to protect their citizens' privacy from businesses.


OOC: This is ridiculous overreach.
Not anymore

2a potentially bans all interactions between children and businesses without prior written permission.
has been fixed

2b bans businesses from handing over CCTV images of crimes being committed to police. Also, what's a user?
User has been defined, the definition does not apply to criminals

2c assumes that police don't investigate crimes and just go straight to trial.
Has been chnaged

3a - who cares how the data will be "handled"? How it will be used is far more relevant.Again, this has been addressed

3c - What about tax law? Governments have legitimate reason to require business to hold their books of account for a number of years after the accounting period. Such records often include the names of customers, suppliers, employees etc.
This is the only problem that hasn't been addressed directly, but I believe that the current wording should be enough.

3d - informed consent to information sharing should not be abolished by the WA. If you don't like what Facebook do with your data, don't use it. Or perhaps find a paid service where you can call the shots on account of being a paying customer.
Fixed

3e - So the "user" can rock up and walk into the server room and start deleting files?
Fixed

I want to elaborate more on 3c, if you agree to the terms of service of a business, that means that you agree to them keeping your data for as long as they want.
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:54 am

“3c has too many ‘that’s in my view, which makes it liable to creative interpretation. I suggest replacing the latter one with something more explicit.”
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:56 am

Kenmoria wrote:“3c has too many ‘that’s in my view, which makes it liable to creative interpretation. I suggest replacing the latter one with something more explicit.”

"We will try to do that Mr Ambassador"

Edit: OOC: Done
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:47 am

“In 2c, I recommend changing ‘governemnts’ to ‘governments of member nations’, to avoid making it sound like you are trying to affect non-member nations. Other than that, I believe this is a piece of legislation that is ready to be passed into law, barring maybe a few last-minute concerns.’
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:52 am

Kenmoria wrote:“In 2c, I recommend changing ‘governemnts’ to ‘governments of member nations’, to avoid making it sound like you are trying to affect non-member nations. Other than that, I believe this is a piece of legislation that is ready to be passed into law, barring maybe a few last-minute concerns.’

"Necessary changes have been made, we thank your delegation for helping us throughout the drafting process"
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Postby Maowi » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:59 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
A "User" as any person who uses the services of a business;


It might be a good idea to change this to '...who uses or has used the services...'. Otherwise, as soon as a person becomes inactive on a social media website, the company's allowed to harm them however they want. Which, correct me if I am wrong, I do not believe was your intention.

Otherwise, this seems pretty good, although I wouldn't know enough about this topic to be able to constructively comment much on the actual substance of this proposal.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:04 pm

Maowi wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:
A "User" as any person who uses the services of a business;


It might be a good idea to change this to '...who uses or has used the services...'. Otherwise, as soon as a person becomes inactive on a social media website, the company's allowed to harm them however they want. Which, correct me if I am wrong, I do not believe was your intention.

Otherwise, this seems pretty good, although I wouldn't know enough about this topic to be able to constructively comment much on the actual substance of this proposal.

OOC: Issue addressed
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:53 pm

OOC:This might barely miss the 81 approvals required
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:44 am

Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:This might barely miss the 81 approvals required
OOC
Needs 13 more approvals in 13 hours.
Currently _
Approvals: 58 (Dunmoyle, Hatzisland, Kolkatta, United Western State, White Bluff, Freedonianism, Nonadia, Pantseria, Simbolon, Ualoi, Jocospor, Hfhbsd, Greater Germany, Independant Canada, New Mexican Republics, Libonesia, Karteria, Vordia, Merni, Dragons of Power, Arrstotzka, German Byzantium, Refuge Isle, Toopaka, Alistia, Leskya, Ellenburg, New Zacharianasville, Flopdania, The Tomerlands, Stoner Anime Gang, Dragoonite, The Montonian, Grand-Turinia, The Chicago Economic States, Funky Goats, The Jazz Masters, Gay Elysium, Bruhhhhhhhhhhh, Republic Of Sumpra, Ashrstan, Boku no Pica, Arpad, Greater Slavicland, Astrum Nigrum, Faniviace, Peoples Republic of California, Vampz, ScottishCanadia, Iciaros, Vampirism, Ryhnn, Pius Desurongcrandis, Fearsburg, Standardized Tests, Mombombu, Stolkland, Amerigaia).
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Postby Marxist Germany » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:05 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:This might barely miss the 81 approvals required
OOC
Needs 13 more approvals in 13 hours.
Currently _
Approvals: 58 (Dunmoyle, Hatzisland, Kolkatta, United Western State, White Bluff, Freedonianism, Nonadia, Pantseria, Simbolon, Ualoi, Jocospor, Hfhbsd, Greater Germany, Independant Canada, New Mexican Republics, Libonesia, Karteria, Vordia, Merni, Dragons of Power, Arrstotzka, German Byzantium, Refuge Isle, Toopaka, Alistia, Leskya, Ellenburg, New Zacharianasville, Flopdania, The Tomerlands, Stoner Anime Gang, Dragoonite, The Montonian, Grand-Turinia, The Chicago Economic States, Funky Goats, The Jazz Masters, Gay Elysium, Bruhhhhhhhhhhh, Republic Of Sumpra, Ashrstan, Boku no Pica, Arpad, Greater Slavicland, Astrum Nigrum, Faniviace, Peoples Republic of California, Vampz, ScottishCanadia, Iciaros, Vampirism, Ryhnn, Pius Desurongcrandis, Fearsburg, Standardized Tests, Mombombu, Stolkland, Amerigaia).

21 in 10 hours, just need to send out more campaign TGs and this should hopefully make it, otherwise I will be postponing the submission for at least a month
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