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[Draft]No Corruption Act

Postby Old Hope » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:51 am

The World Assembly,

Declaring Corruption to be one of the worst evils that exist,
Declaring that Corruption is an international problem because corruption doesn't stop at borders,
Yearning to stamp out Corruption wherever it exists,
Detemined to use the most drastic, and thus effective, measures of punishment for Corruption,

Defining "Corruption" as the acceptance and/or offer of any benefit for an action or non-action contrary to the legally pursuable interest of the employer,
Clarifying that any government member or employee is, for the purposes of this resolution, employed by the general public,
Clarifying that member states must assume that all actions by any goverment member or employee made pursuant to the acceptance of any benefit except a compensation by the state for their employment or service are contrary to the legally pursuable interest of the employer,

Mandates member states to make Corruption a criminal act with the minimum sentencing of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole and/or pardon,
Allows member states to make exceptions to the criminality of Corruption if all sapient beings involved in an act of Corruption are directly related and/or married to each other,
Clarifies that other exceptions are not permissible.

Category... Moral Decency, Strong?
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Postby Bananaistan » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:58 am

"You've just outlawed part time employment in the public sector, or say the President renting out her own residence to anyone other than family while she's staying in the official Presidential residence, or full time public sector employees making money from hobbies or investments (eg interest on their bank account), or teachers giving grinds in the evenings, &tc.

"No thanks."
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Postby Iciaros » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:11 am

(I think it would be best to define corruption as an action taken by an employee that done in the capacity of (or using the powers of) their position of employment, eg a government minister awarding a government contract using their powers as a minister. I'm not sure if people should be obliged to work in the best interests of their employer in every situation, even when merely acting in their private capacity (would, say, lending $50 out of one's own pocket to an employee of a hostile foreign country count as corruption?)

Additionally, as what Bananaistan mentioned, the clause governing the assumption of guilt is particularly wide-ranging and heavy-handed, and could lead to all those absurd results mentioned. Perhaps you could remove it or amend it to make exceptions for where there is transparent and appropriate compensation for a benefit, and where said compensation does not itself fall under the definition of corruption?

Aside from that, I'm not entirely sure why there are exceptions allowed for family members, but I assume that clause exists to allow things like the President's spouse staying in the same Presidential building and such things. That said, it's a pretty big exception that opens the door to nepotism, so I'm not sure how good it is to have it in there in its current state.

Finally, I know you intentionally used very harsh language for corruption, with a commensurate minimum sentence, but I feel that even member states who agree with you on the corruption idea might vote against or not endorse this proposal because of the harshness of it (not everyone might agree that corruption is one of the worst evils, for example). You might want to turn that down a little, at least in the preamble, or allow member states more leeway.)
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:42 am

Clarifying that member states must assume that all actions by any goverment member or employee made pursuant to the acceptance of any benefit except a compensation by the state for their employment or service are contrary to the legally pursuable interest of the employer,

So, we just made it a criminal offense for government employees to participate in bowling leagues, coach little league baseball teams, hold office or win awards in fraternal organizations or charities, win a fishing derby, or any number of other activities.

Yeah, this draconian one-size-fits-nobody dreck really needs a lot of work.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:08 am

You should read some actual real world ethics guidelines a la the US executive branch ethics standards, then get back to us. https://www2.oge.gov/Web/oge.nsf/Resour ... ive+branch

And then after that, learn about corruption and patrimonalisation in developing economies.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:39 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:You should read some actual real world ethics guidelines a la the US executive branch ethics standards, then get back to us. https://www2.oge.gov/Web/oge.nsf/Resour ... ive+branch

And then after that, learn about corruption and patrimonalisation in developing economies.

Then maybe learn how statutes are supposed to be written.

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Postby Hatzisland » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:47 pm

OOC: I think you are in the wrong forum. There is a thread for joke proposals, but this isn't it.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:52 pm

Hatzisland wrote:OOC: I think you are in the wrong forum. There is a thread for joke proposals, but this isn't it.

The Assembly has in the past, for short periods, attempted to limit or eliminate corrupt behaviours. I would not consider this topic a joke topic, nor this a joke proposal. If you want to accuse the proposal of being illegal for being a joke proposal, which is seemingly the normal thing when it comes to these sorts of things, see [2018] GAS 10.

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Postby Hatzisland » Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:30 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Hatzisland wrote:OOC: I think you are in the wrong forum. There is a thread for joke proposals, but this isn't it.

The Assembly has in the past, for short periods, attempted to limit or eliminate corrupt behaviours. I would not consider this topic a joke topic, nor this a joke proposal. If you want to accuse the proposal of being illegal for being a joke proposal, which is seemingly the normal thing when it comes to these sorts of things, see [2018] GAS 10.


Have you read the proposal? I will post it here just so the record can show what the original said:

Declaring Corruption to be one of the worst evils that exist,
Declaring that Corruption is an international problem because corruption doesn't stop at borders,
Yearning to stamp out Corruption wherever it exists,
Detemined to use the most drastic, and thus effective, measures of punishment for Corruption,

Defining "Corruption" as the acceptance and/or offer of any benefit for an action or non-action contrary to the legally pursuable interest of the employer,
Clarifying that any government member or employee is, for the purposes of this resolution, employed by the general public,
Clarifying that member states must assume that all actions by any goverment member or employee made pursuant to the acceptance of any benefit except a compensation by the state for their employment or service are contrary to the legally pursuable interest of the employer,

Mandates member states to make Corruption a criminal act with the minimum sentencing of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole and/or pardon,
Allows member states to make exceptions to the criminality of Corruption if all sapient beings involved in an act of Corruption are directly related and/or married to each other,
Clarifies that other exceptions are not permissible.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:31 pm

I read the proposal. But you miss the point in (failing to do properly your) quoting the proposal. Writing poor legislation is not a joke. Otherwise, we would have laughed your proposals out of this forum a long time ago.
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Postby Old Hope » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:11 am

Bananaistan wrote:"You've just outlawed part time employment in the public sector, or say the President renting out her own residence to anyone other than family while she's staying in the official Presidential residence, or full time public sector employees making money from hobbies or investments (eg interest on their bank account), or teachers giving grinds in the evenings, &tc.

"No thanks."

Sounds good! All these are sources of corruption.
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Postby New Udonia » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:16 am

Old Hope wrote:The World Assembly,

Mandates member states to make Corruption a criminal act with the minimum sentencing of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole and/or pardon.


The Federation of New Udonia has laws guaranteeing parole and pardon as a potential for every charged criminal, universally granted regardless of criminal charges.
Minimum sentencing of life imprisonment, your prisons would be overflowing in a week, tops.
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:47 am

Old Hope wrote:
Bananaistan wrote:"You've just outlawed part time employment in the public sector, or say the President renting out her own residence to anyone other than family while she's staying in the official Presidential residence, or full time public sector employees making money from hobbies or investments (eg interest on their bank account), or teachers giving grinds in the evenings, &tc.

"No thanks."

Sounds good! All these are sources of corruption.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:07 pm

Old Hope wrote:
Bananaistan wrote:"You've just outlawed part time employment in the public sector, or say the President renting out her own residence to anyone other than family while she's staying in the official Presidential residence, or full time public sector employees making money from hobbies or investments (eg interest on their bank account), or teachers giving grinds in the evenings, &tc.

"No thanks."

Sounds good! All these are sources of corruption.


If those are examples of your idea of corruption, you are a sad and confused person who needs to research better on what political corruption actually is. None of those are even close to “corrupt”.
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