[Draft] Repeal 'Reproductive Freedoms'

[Separatist Peoples]

"This is compromise. You get Reproductive Freedoms repealed. We get it done on our terms. You don't like it? Live with Reproductive Freedoms. This is a lot of backpedaling from "we will support all repeals of Reproductive Freedoms". Of course, I really dont care one way or another."

"United Massachusetts does not respond to intellectually dishonest lines of argumentation."

"But they make it often enough. Live with Reproductive Freedoms then. Like I said, this is a win-win for the C.D.S.P."

[United Massachusetts]

"United Massachusetts does not respond to intellectually dishonest lines of argumentation."

"But they make it often enough. Live with Reproductive Freedoms then. Like I said, this is a win-win for the C.D.S.P."

"A repeal of so-called Reproductive Freedoms in exchange for the exact same thing is no repeal at all. We do support any and all repeals to so-called Reproductive Freedoms. This is not a repeal of so-called Reproductive Freedoms.

[Separatist Peoples]

"But they make it often enough. Live with Reproductive Freedoms then. Like I said, this is a win-win for the C.D.S.P."

"A repeal of so-called Reproductive Freedoms in exchange for the exact same thing is no repeal at all. We do support any and all repeals to so-called Reproductive Freedoms. This is not a repeal of so-called Reproductive Freedoms.

"You do what you gotta do to double down, ambassador. If you're willing to pass on the only successful argument you're likely to get, I'm willing to maintain the status quo."

[United Massachusetts]

"A repeal of so-called Reproductive Freedoms in exchange for the exact same thing is no repeal at all. We do support any and all repeals to so-called Reproductive Freedoms. This is not a repeal of so-called Reproductive Freedoms.

"You do what you gotta do to double down, ambassador. If you're willing to pass on the only successful argument you're likely to get, I'm willing to maintain the status quo."

"What change is there between the status-quo and a replacement?"

[Separatist Peoples]

"You do what you gotta do to double down, ambassador. If you're willing to pass on the only successful argument you're likely to get, I'm willing to maintain the status quo."

"What change is there between the status-quo and a replacement?"

"You would have had fighting chance to stop the replacement? Muster enough political will to force a compromise? Maybe. It's would have been your political opportunity to do with what you will. But, from my perspective, the rest of the Assembly doesn't really need to offer more." Bell shrugs. "You've made your choice clear, though."

[United Massachusetts]

You have the political power to pass this if you will. You clearly don't need my consent. Pass it if you so desire, and we will fight.

But you know just as well as I that this resolution is drafted in bad faith.

[Kowani]

Ambassador Nego spits out his drink upon reading the resolution and begins laughing hysterically. Upon calming down, he speaks. “Well, this isn’t risky at all.”

[Separatist Peoples]

Ambassador Nego spits out his drink upon reading the resolution and begins laughing hysterically. Upon calming down, he speaks. “Well, this isn’t risky at all.”

"This guy gets it."

[Auralia]

This is a trolling attempt, and I have little interest in being manipulated for SP's amusement.

This kind of behaviour is partly why GA culture is so toxic.

[Phydios]

"United Massachusetts does not respond to intellectually dishonest lines of argumentation."

"But they make it often enough. Live with Reproductive Freedoms then. Like I said, this is a win-win for the C.D.S.P."

"Do you think we are that stupid and blind, Bell? Maybe you do. Maybe you are just taking pleasure in juvenile, bad-faith trolling. Ignoring your use of the lowest form of argumentation (name-calling), Phydios is not going to blindly vote for a repeal of RF based only on the title. Nor will UM or Auralia. I will not try to generalize to an entire group without evidence (like you did with your claim that pro-life delegations would vote for literally any RF repeal, and then your claim that we were "backpedaling"), but I will point out that there are stupid pro-life delegates and intelligent pro-life delegates, just like any group of individuals. The intelligent ones evaluate proposed resolutions before voting. They think about them critically. They make informed decisions. It doesn't take much intelligence to see this proposal for what it is. It's not a serious attempt at any sort of compromise. It's a solution that you honestly think works out best for one of both of us. You can have your fun, but we're done here. This proposal is an excellent illustration of why Phydios rarely participates in WA debates."
Richards walks out, politely closing the door behind him.

[United Massachusetts]

To clarify, I did say I will vote in favour of any repeal of so-called "Reproductive Freedoms." I stand by that point. This is not a repeal, though.

[Battlion]

To clarify, I did say I will vote in favour of any repeal of so-called "Reproductive Freedoms." I stand by that point. This is not a repeal, though.

It repeals the resolution titled “Reproductive Freedoms”... thus it’s a repeal and you should vote for it if it comes up to vote.

Whilst I think this repeal is a risk if a new one isn’t voted on straight after, overall the point being made is quite funny.

[Kenmoria]

“You know what: I’ve been convinced. The response here are amusing enough that I’m willing to overlook the potential risk of some pro-life legislation. As long as the proposal replacement doesn’t force anyone to perform abortions, I am now for this repeal.”

[Falcania]

This is self-aggrandising grandstanding of the most disgusting flavour.

Carry on.

[Separatist Peoples]

This is a trolling attempt, and I have little interest in being manipulated for SP's amusement.

This kind of behaviour is partly why GA culture is so toxic.

Ooc: if you think I've broken the rules, report me.

[Araraukar]

This is a trolling attempt, and I have little interest in being manipulated for SP's amusement.

This kind of behaviour is partly why GA culture is so toxic.

OOC: No, your side keeping on wanting to impose anti-abortion laws on the WA is what makes this forum poisonous and venomous each time the issue raises its ugly head.

IC: "While the arguments proposed in this repeal attempt are the most honest yet, and there was the possibility to get an even stricter pro-choice resolution in its place, Araraukar considers that chance to be too risky to want to support any repeal."

[Mundiferrum]

Funny. Not funny enough for us to support, because the seriousness of this passing and nothing getting done in the meantime overshadows it. But, especially in light of the other ambassadors' comments, funny.

[Iciaros]

"This is... a dangerous game, Ambassador. Perhaps an entertaining one to certain factions, but a dangerous game nonetheless. That said, having examined the proposed replacement by the Ambassador for Wallenburg, we would be comfortable supporting this repeal, but only if the replacement is likely to successfully replace it."

(OOC: I consider myself extremely pro-choice. But, to take the perspective of the pro-life ambassadors in this thread for a moment, I find their unequivocal rejection of this repeal proposal baffling. Regardless of what the proposal actually says, nothing really practically matters except for the part where it repeals Reproductive Freedoms, which is exactly what the pro-life bloc would want, right? Sure, it uses words that basically denies their moral position. But will that really bind anyone? In a real-life scenario, suppose murder was legal, and a proposal was made which basically said 'we don't think murder is bad, but we will outlaw it anyway'. Would it be better to turn it down and let people continue to be murdered, or to accept it and protect people, even if you don't agree with the justification of it?

Maybe I'm missing something, because I'm new here, but is there really anything to lose? At the end of the day, it won't be what SP's motivation was that will stick, or what the wording of the proposal is. It will be the repeal that sticks. Though there is a replacement on the horizon, there will at least be the chance to block it and protect what you see as good. Is that chance not worth swallowing pride, or moral purity, or whatever other virtue there may be, to achieve a practical result?

Then again, I suppose I'm not a moralist. And maybe the atmosphere is so staunchly pro-choice that it is a completely foregone conclusion that the replacement will pass. But to me, it just seems like a deal offering something in exchange for essentially nothing is being turned down.)

[Auralia]

OOC: No, your side keeping on wanting to impose anti-abortion laws on the WA is what makes this forum poisonous and venomous each time the issue raises its ugly head.

As a rule, our "side" treats those on the other "side" with respect and dignity. We certainly do not engage in this kind of elaborate mockery.

Ooc: if you think I've broken the rules, report me.

I don't think this is actionable. It's still trolling, though.

[Tinfect]

As a rule, our "side" treats those on the other "side" with respect and dignity.

OOC:
You know what, I'm beginning to think that right-wing 'respect' and 'civility', is nothing more than a fucking trap. You say a million miles of absurd, disgusting nonsense, but as long as you say it with a straight face and an even tone, god forbid we get angry. God forbid that we stop and say, No, these are Human Rights and Human LIves you're talking about; god forbid we show a hint of fucking emotion when we're told that basic human dignities are 'morally evil' or 'violations of the natural law', because the moment we do, you people jump down our throats with your 'civility' and 'respect'.

So, frankly, Auralia, take your respect and dignity. We don't want it; it's nothing more than a pretense and a lie.

[Araraukar]

As a rule, our "side" treats those on the other "side" with respect and dignity. We certainly do not engage in this kind of elaborate mockery.

OOC: I take it you don't read the non-GAers' posts on these kinds of threads, or understand that your desire to tell women what they can or can't do with their bodies is very disrespectful.

EDIT: This came to mind...

[Vaxian Imperium]

“We disagree with the repealing of this law, due to the fact in many of our more poor and destitute worlds abortion is necessary to keep population in control and to prevent the birth of mutants and other horrors caused by the chemicals of the factories. Besides the cells we get from abortion are much more useful than any 6 armed 2 headed mutant that will probably eat is mother right out of the womb”

Ambassador Cromwell

[Arasi Luvasa]

"I think you have far bigger problems than whether you can abort children ambassador. That level of contamination should lead to serious cancer problems among other things."

[Araraukar]

“We disagree with the repealing of this law, due to the fact in many of our more poor and destitute worlds abortion is necessary to keep population in control and to prevent the birth of mutants and other horrors caused by the chemicals of the factories. Besides the cells we get from abortion are much more useful than any 6 armed 2 headed mutant that will probably eat is mother right out of the womb”

OOC: That went into a weird/funny direction.

[Auralia]

As a rule, our "side" treats those on the other "side" with respect and dignity. We certainly do not engage in this kind of elaborate mockery.

OOC: I take it you don't read the non-GAers' posts on these kinds of threads, or understand that your desire to tell women what they can or can't do with their bodies is very disrespectful.

And I find your desire to legalize the killing of unborn children abhorrent. But I'm clearly not talking about the substantive content of these debates, but rather the manner in which they are conducted.