[Draft] Repeal 'Reproductive Freedoms'

[Separatist Peoples]

"I recently heard that the anti-abortion crowd would support literally any repeal of GAR#286. So, I thought I'd test that dedication.

Repeal GAR#286 'Reproductive Freedoms'

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Noting the often-trite argument that abortion is a violation of the natural law;

Believing that the natural law theory is as much intellectual tripe presupposed on the false narrative of a universal truth and a higher source of justice than mere mortal law can reach;

Concerned that basing any law, even a repeal, on this flimsy logic would be fundamentally and intellectually dishonest;

Nonetheless concerned that the provisions in Reproductive Freedoms are vague enough to lend confusion as to what the euphemism “termination” of pregnancy actually means, blurring the line of legal procedures and making compliance a guessing game;

Hoping for a replacement that eradicates vagaries and equivocating in the original with a clear and direct right to an abortion on demand;

Hereby repeals GAR# 286 ‘Reproductive Freedoms’.

[Tinhampton]

Bianca Venkman, Assistant to the Delegate-Ambassador: In favour, mostly to piss off the Delegate-Ambassador's best mate... but not entirely.

[Morover]

"I do not necessarily support this repeal, but I do concede that this is a better proposal than any other repeal I've seen for Reproductive Freedoms."

[Separatist Peoples]

"I do not necessarily support this repeal, but I do concede that this is a better proposal than any other repeal I've seen for Reproductive Freedoms."

"Honestly, this began 90% as proof of concept."

[Kenmoria]

“Please, not this - anything but this - do not make me listen to another set of repeal arguments for Reproductive Freedoms. This may be one of the strongest proposals I’ve seen on the subject, but it still won’t pass. A lot of the pro-choice crowd will never pass a repeal of Reproductive Freedoms based on the title, and this is very anti pro-life, so they’ll vote against it as well. Couldn’t we just stop trying to repeal 286 at all?”

[Separatist Peoples]

“Please, not this - anything but this - do not make me listen to another set of repeal arguments for Reproductive Freedoms. This may be one of the strongest proposals I’ve seen on the subject, but it still won’t pass. A lot of the pro-choice crowd will never pass a repeal of Reproductive Freedoms based on the title, and this is very anti pro-life, so they’ll vote against it as well. Couldn’t we just stop trying to repeal 286 at all?”

"But, Ambassador, are you not curious as to whether the regular anti-abortion crowd in the General Assembly will make good on their promise to support all repeals of GAR#286? Not in the least bit?"

[Lord Dominator]

"Well, I don't know about them, but I certainly am."

Dee proceeds to drag in a large armchair along with a popcorn and soft drinks machine

"Anyone need some snacks for this?"

[United Massachusetts]

"The Delegation of United Massachusetts does not respond to intellectually dishonest proposals."

[Separatist Peoples]

"The Delegation of United Massachusetts does not respond to intellectually dishonest proposals."

"Its perfectly honest. I have every intention of submitting this. And, frankly, your side is in desperate need of some legitimate name to place behind a repeal. The last time a repeal of Reproductive Freedoms had that was when the delegation from Sciongrad tried it."

[Imperium Anglorum]

This proposal is far more honest than those put forth by effectively everyone since Sciongrad's sex discrimination argumentation.

[Maowi]

"We'd heartily support this if there was a good replacement lined up behind it."

[Kenmoria]

“Please, not this - anything but this - do not make me listen to another set of repeal arguments for Reproductive Freedoms. This may be one of the strongest proposals I’ve seen on the subject, but it still won’t pass. A lot of the pro-choice crowd will never pass a repeal of Reproductive Freedoms based on the title, and this is very anti pro-life, so they’ll vote against it as well. Couldn’t we just stop trying to repeal 286 at all?”

"But, Ambassador, are you not curious as to whether the regular anti-abortion crowd in the General Assembly will make good on their promise to support all repeals of GAR#286? Not in the least bit?"

“Oh, I’m certainly curious on the matter. Indeed, the response given from the United Massachusetts delegation may differ from that of Auralia’s ambassadorship. However, I question whether the inevitable fights of debate, and possibly actual fights knowing how controversial this matter is, are worth it.”

[Separatist Peoples]

"But, Ambassador, are you not curious as to whether the regular anti-abortion crowd in the General Assembly will make good on their promise to support all repeals of GAR#286? Not in the least bit?"

“Oh, I’m certainly curious on the matter. Indeed, the response given from the United Massachusetts delegation may differ from that of Auralia’s ambassadorship. However, I question whether the inevitable fights of debate, and possibly actual fights knowing how controversial this matter is, are worth it.”

"Ambassador, we have a rare opportunity here to clear up any lingering doubt on the topic. Reproductive Freedoms was extremely strong, despite the clear euphemism it relied on. Imagine how much more unassailable a replacement would be that required no euphemism!

"It would firmly put to rest any intellectually honest repeal attempts."

[Bananaistan]

Ted rises from his seat before opening a drawer on his desk.

"Hang on a minute, I'm sure it's here somewhere."

After much rooting, he produces a yellowing and crumpled sheet of paper.

"Aha, here it is," he says as reads the note.

"As always, the People's Republic of Bananaistan stands opposed to any attempt to repeal Reproductive Freedoms. We are pleased to continue to be in favour of the unrestricted rights of women to decide what, how, when, why and where their bodies are used and we shall proudly stand with the international community in defending this right."

[Separatist Peoples]

Ted rises from his seat before opening a drawer on his desk.

"Hang on a minute, I'm sure it's here somewhere."

After much rooting, he produces a yellowing and crumpled sheet of paper.

"Aha, here it is," he says as reads the note.

"As always, the People's Republic of Bananaistan stands opposed to any attempt to repeal Reproductive Freedoms. We are pleased to continue to be in favour of the unrestricted rights of women to decide what, how, when, why and where their bodies are used and we shall proudly stand with the international community in defending this right."

"Ah, ambassador, how shortsighted! We have such an opportunity here if only the opposition bloc would meet us halfway."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Proposed additions.

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Resolving the following, that:
[list=a][*]natural law requires a consistent interpretation of nature, which is unclear and likely impossible to be universal for all societies in an Assembly so diverse as this,


[*]natural law effectively requires that a law-giver define the morally praiseworthy and positive traits of a people and exclude those negative ones, and moreover, that doing so is special pleading whose absence would justify all sorts of war crimes and atrocities,


[*]natural law lacks a compelling epistemology between things which people may simply do and the good itself,


[*]natural law fundamentally misunderstands evolutionarily-ordained traits, thereby either requiring belief in some sort of creator (whose desires or wishes cannot easily be determined) or ascribing to moral worth to the products of chance,


[*]natural law, observed across all societies of people, cannot effectively justify laws against adultery or rape, a grievous error many seem to overlook,


[*]natural law, when invoked, proves too much, justifying the sending of cats, bears, dolphins, etc. to punishment when it seems clear that such animals do not have a meaningful ability to effect social conditioning necessary for laws to be enforced, and


[*]natural law does not deal with the fact that many people have different moral intuitions on acceptable behaviour in certain circumstances, which belies its claim to universality,[/list]

[Morover]

"If you don't mind me asking, ambassador, you mention a replacement in the text of this draft, do you have any ideas for a replacement or are you merely mentioning a replacement for the sake of including it?"

[Separatist Peoples]

"If you don't mind me asking, ambassador, you mention a replacement in the text of this draft, do you have any ideas for a replacement or are you merely mentioning a replacement for the sake of including it?"

"I'm hoping to support a replacement. I believe the delegation from Wallenburg has a replacement that is satisfactory."

[Morover]

"If you don't mind me asking, ambassador, you mention a replacement in the text of this draft, do you have any ideas for a replacement or are you merely mentioning a replacement for the sake of including it?"

"I'm hoping to support a replacement. I believe the delegation from Wallenburg has a replacement that is satisfactory."

"After reviewing Wallenburg's replacement, I am a bit less skeptical. I am still unlikely to support this proposal, if I'm being honest, but I am put at ease, at the very least."

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[Maowi]

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Thank you, that's me

"We support this repeal, in the hope that following its passage the WA is sufficiently united to be able to pass the replacement proposed by the delegation from Wallenburg."

[Phydios]

"Phydios does not support illegal proposals, no matter what their target. We have refused to support past illegal attempts at repealing RF in the name of intellectual honesty. For the same reason, we do not support repeal attempts that are intellectually dishonest and drafted in bad faith. If this proposal came up to vote, which it will not, we will oppose it.

Phydios would also like to ask the SP delegation if the nonexistence of universal truth is in itself a universal truth."

[Separatist Peoples]

Bell chuckles. "It looks like the Right to Life bloc is more interested in an ideological stamp than compromise! If my attempt to find common ground regarding Reproductive Freedoms has no bipartisan support, I suppose I can live with keeping Reproductive Freedoms on the books. Certainly, this is the only repeal attempt I've seen that wouldn't trigger vociferous opposition from the pro-choice crowd."

Bell shrugs. "Their lost."

[United Massachusetts]

Bell chuckles. "It looks like the Right to Life bloc is more interested in an ideological stamp than compromise! If my attempt to find common ground regarding Reproductive Freedoms has no bipartisan support, I suppose I can live with keeping Reproductive Freedoms on the books. Certainly, this is the only repeal attempt I've seen that wouldn't trigger vociferous opposition from the pro-choice crowd."

Bell shrugs. "Their lost."

"Right to Life does not engage with intellectually dishonest appeals to compromise. If you want compromise, several have been proposed, including ones that protect against animosity, hand the entire first trimester to the "choice" crowd, and abolished the parental consent laws required by so-called "Reproductive Freedoms." If the Delegation of the CDSP was interested in compromise, they would at least try to work with the other side.

Of course, this is the General Assembly. What else would I expect?"

[Separatist Peoples]

Bell chuckles. "It looks like the Right to Life bloc is more interested in an ideological stamp than compromise! If my attempt to find common ground regarding Reproductive Freedoms has no bipartisan support, I suppose I can live with keeping Reproductive Freedoms on the books. Certainly, this is the only repeal attempt I've seen that wouldn't trigger vociferous opposition from the pro-choice crowd."

Bell shrugs. "Their lost."

"Right to Life does not engage with intellectually dishonest appeals to compromise. If you want compromise, several have been proposed, including ones that protect against animosity, hand the entire first trimester to the "choice" crowd, and abolished the parental consent laws required by so-called "Reproductive Freedoms." If the Delegation of the CDSP was interested in compromise, they would at least try to work with the other side.

Of course, this is the General Assembly. What else would I expect?"

"This is compromise. You get Reproductive Freedoms repealed. We get it done on our terms. You don't like it? Live with Reproductive Freedoms. This is a lot of backpedaling from "we will support all repeals of Reproductive Freedoms". Of course, I really dont care one way or another."

[United Massachusetts]

"Right to Life does not engage with intellectually dishonest appeals to compromise. If you want compromise, several have been proposed, including ones that protect against animosity, hand the entire first trimester to the "choice" crowd, and abolished the parental consent laws required by so-called "Reproductive Freedoms." If the Delegation of the CDSP was interested in compromise, they would at least try to work with the other side.

Of course, this is the General Assembly. What else would I expect?"

"This is compromise. You get Reproductive Freedoms repealed. We get it done on our terms. You don't like it? Live with Reproductive Freedoms. This is a lot of backpedaling from "we will support all repeals of Reproductive Freedoms". Of course, I really dont care one way or another."

"United Massachusetts does not respond to intellectually dishonest lines of argumentation."